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Baraka_Guru · 10-02-2008, 05:45 PM

"The trrrists!"

Willravel · 10-02-2008, 05:45 PM

"John McCain has been dead wrong on the fundamentals [of Iraq]" - Biden

True.dat

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 05:46 PM

As a note, will, that seemed pretty much what both of them said. It appears that all 4 of them have an identical (to me unsatisfactory) positions on gay marriage.

(In reference to Palin/McCain differences).

billege · 10-02-2008, 05:46 PM

We'd be surrendering to Putin, as he rears his head over Alaskan airspace.

debaser · 10-02-2008, 05:46 PM

The Terrists...

ubertuber · 10-02-2008, 05:46 PM

How long is the debate?

I wish I could see the feedback meters you guys have... I'm watching a webcast since I don't have a TV.

Willravel · 10-02-2008, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubertuber

How long is the debate?

About 90 minutes.

Daval · 10-02-2008, 05:48 PM

Feedback meters clearly show that women think Biden is dreamy.

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 05:48 PM

It lasts for 90 minutes if it's like the first one, meaning we're a minute or two over halfway.

Baraka_Guru · 10-02-2008, 05:48 PM

Now she's sounding like Bush.

Even the "nuculur."

She's repeating things Bush has said on Iran.

And she uses appeal to emotions far too much.

This is gross.

ubertuber · 10-02-2008, 05:48 PM

That's interesting -- so he is apparently avoiding the perception of being overbearing and threatening to Palin?

Willravel · 10-02-2008, 05:50 PM

I'd tear her apart piece by piece. I'd make her cry. Why? Ignorant hubris.

EDIT: YES! FINALLY! Biden knows Ahmadinejad is a figurehead.

Daval · 10-02-2008, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

And she uses appeal to emotions far too much.

This is gross.

agreed. she's definately going for that

fresnelly · 10-02-2008, 05:54 PM

Who doesn't love Isreal? It's so cuddly!

debaser · 10-02-2008, 05:56 PM

I 'm about to throw up...

Willravel · 10-02-2008, 05:56 PM

Didn't Palin say she supported Hamas accidentally in the Couric interview? Now watch her state nothing of consequence about Israel.... oh, no, she wants to attack Obama instead of answering the question. "Our country comes first" has nothing to do with Israel, nitwit.

ottopilot · 10-02-2008, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

Now she's sounding like Bush.

Even the "nuculur."

She's repeating things Bush has said on Iran.

And she uses appeal to emotions far too much.

This is gross.

It's irritating, but then there are all the northern leaders that cannot pronounce the letter "R". It drives me up the wall. How many Kennedy's said "Chiner" (China) and Q-ber (Cuba)?... Dan Akroid used to mock Jimmy Carter saying nuculer as well.

roachboy · 10-02-2008, 05:57 PM

i had a phone call so i missed most of this
what is she talking about?
i don't understand what she's saying.
isn't this a question about nuclear weapons?

Willravel · 10-02-2008, 05:58 PM

Palin's lost already.

ottopilot · 10-02-2008, 06:00 PM

First thing Obama did when joining the Senate was run for president.

roachboy · 10-02-2008, 06:03 PM

she's trying to hang with biden on afghanistan? why? she doesn't have the basic facts in place to do this.

this interventionist question is interesting---biden is at least sucking it up and not ducking it. this is one reason i was not happy with the choice, btw.

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 06:03 PM

@ottopilot: I don't get the relevance.

@roachboy: Indeed. It's refreshing to see him take the question with a nod to being wrong previously.

The audience polls are vastly different now. Biden is maxing out with both sexes and Palin's pretty low with both, averaging the middle.

thespian86 · 10-02-2008, 06:04 PM

I don't think it's a landslide yet Will, but I think biden is in the lead
-----Added 2/10/2008 at 10 : 08 : 34-----
I have to say, what I like about Biden is that he is playing the role of both a supporter and an independent leader. Palin seems to be just playing defender of McCain.

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 06:09 PM

And attacker of Obama.

SHE WINKED AGAIN!

Baraka_Guru · 10-02-2008, 06:12 PM

"Gosh darn it!"

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 06:12 PM

...I didn't just hear a shoutout.

On the other hand, the audience liked it

roachboy · 10-02-2008, 06:13 PM

i'm watching on c-span

i dont understand this baroque non-sequitors that palin keeps dropping.
when she gets all populist, she seems to get kinda caught up in visualizing what she's talking about.

Baraka_Guru · 10-02-2008, 06:18 PM

Non-sequitors, appeals to emotion, hokey language...that's what you have to look forward to with a McCain/Palin administration.

Wouldn't that be refreshing?

Wait a minute....

thespian86 · 10-02-2008, 06:19 PM

Palin is so fucking annoying. I have nothing else to add.

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 06:22 PM

First I've heard of Biden's family. Nice to know Palin's not got a monopoly on emotion.

roachboy · 10-02-2008, 06:22 PM

he just wiped the floor with her on this last populist "i'm a regular person too" thing.

this is not fun to watch at this point.
i'm wondering if "i love money" is on.

Daval · 10-02-2008, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roachboy

he just wiped the floor with her on this last populist "i'm a regular person too" thing.

That was really emotional - I agree, totally wiped the floor with her there.

Baraka_Guru · 10-02-2008, 06:25 PM

He seemed genuine; Palin seemed fake...like she was trying to hard to win "hearts and minds."

ottopilot · 10-02-2008, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jozrael

@ottopilot: I don't get the relevance.

@roachboy: Indeed. It's refreshing to see him take the question with a nod to being wrong previously.

The audience polls are vastly different now. Biden is maxing out with both sexes and Palin's pretty low with both, averaging the middle.

It was based on one of Biden's comment at that very moment.

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 06:35 PM

Not gonna lie, I kinda tuned out the past 15 minutes or so. Information overload and I felt myself reacting with quite a bit of bias.

roachboy · 10-02-2008, 06:38 PM

comportment wise it was more professional than i expected for some reason.
i think i missed some carnage (iraq)---it seemed that palin is a nicer person than i had imagined who is more out of her depth than i had imagined.

she dissociates well.
biden answered questions well.

Baraka_Guru · 10-02-2008, 06:41 PM

This was the first time I've heard Biden speak. I was impressed. He seems quite vice-presidential. He sometimes went too much into specifics, but not quite far enough to his detriment.

Palin didn't embarrass herself, but her overall performance was disappointing. She dodged and distracted too much. She was too vague.

If you review this, I'd think you could say Biden is the clear victor.

Project-1 · 10-02-2008, 06:42 PM

All she talked about was Alaska and energy

Daval · 10-02-2008, 06:43 PM

Biden was easily the victor and was far more knowledgeable, however, Palin did not have any major gaffes or blank stare at the camera in confusion moments. I think she did what she had to do and has restored a lot of her credibility.

Project-1 · 10-02-2008, 06:43 PM

All she talked about the Alaska and energy.

10-02-2008, 05:45 PM	#41 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	"The trrrists!" __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-02-2008, 05:46 PM	#44 (permalink)
billege Watcher Location: Ohio	We'd be surrendering to Putin, as he rears his head over Alaskan airspace. __________________ I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence: "My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend."

10-02-2008, 05:46 PM	#45 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	The Terrists... __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while.

10-02-2008, 05:46 PM	#46 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	How long is the debate? I wish I could see the feedback meters you guys have... I'm watching a webcast since I don't have a TV. __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

10-02-2008, 05:48 PM	#48 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	Feedback meters clearly show that women think Biden is dreamy. __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

10-02-2008, 05:45 PM	#42 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	"John McCain has been dead wrong on the fundamentals [of Iraq]" - Biden True.dat

10-02-2008, 05:46 PM	#43 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	As a note, will, that seemed pretty much what both of them said. It appears that all 4 of them have an identical (to me unsatisfactory) positions on gay marriage. (In reference to Palin/McCain differences).

10-02-2008, 05:48 PM	#49 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	It lasts for 90 minutes if it's like the first one, meaning we're a minute or two over halfway.

10-02-2008, 05:48 PM	#50 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Now she's sounding like Bush. Even the "nuculur." She's repeating things Bush has said on Iran. And she uses appeal to emotions far too much. This is gross. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-02-2008, 05:48 PM	#51 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	That's interesting -- so he is apparently avoiding the perception of being overbearing and threatening to Palin? __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

10-02-2008, 05:50 PM	#52 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I'd tear her apart piece by piece. I'd make her cry. Why? Ignorant hubris. EDIT: YES! FINALLY! Biden knows Ahmadinejad is a figurehead.

10-02-2008, 05:54 PM	#54 (permalink)
fresnelly Functionally Appropriate Location: Toronto	Who doesn't love Isreal? It's so cuddly! __________________ Building an artificial intelligence that appreciates Mozart is easy. Building an A.I. that appreciates a theme restaurant is the real challenge - Kit Roebuck - Nine Planets Without Intelligent Life

10-02-2008, 05:56 PM	#55 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	I 'm about to throw up... __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while.

10-02-2008, 05:56 PM	#56 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Didn't Palin say she supported Hamas accidentally in the Couric interview? Now watch her state nothing of consequence about Israel.... oh, no, she wants to attack Obama instead of answering the question. "Our country comes first" has nothing to do with Israel, nitwit.

10-02-2008, 05:57 PM	#58 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	i had a phone call so i missed most of this what is she talking about? i don't understand what she's saying. isn't this a question about nuclear weapons? __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

10-02-2008, 05:58 PM	#59 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Palin's lost already.

10-02-2008, 06:00 PM	#60 (permalink)
ottopilot let me be clear Location: Waddy Peytona	First thing Obama did when joining the Senate was run for president. __________________ "It rubs the lotion on Buffy, Jodi and Mr. French's skin" - Uncle Bill from Buffalo

10-02-2008, 06:03 PM	#61 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	she's trying to hang with biden on afghanistan? why? she doesn't have the basic facts in place to do this. this interventionist question is interesting---biden is at least sucking it up and not ducking it. this is one reason i was not happy with the choice, btw. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

10-02-2008, 06:03 PM	#62 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	@ottopilot: I don't get the relevance. @roachboy: Indeed. It's refreshing to see him take the question with a nod to being wrong previously. The audience polls are vastly different now. Biden is maxing out with both sexes and Palin's pretty low with both, averaging the middle.

10-02-2008, 06:04 PM	#63 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	I don't think it's a landslide yet Will, but I think biden is in the lead -----Added 2/10/2008 at 10 : 08 : 34----- I have to say, what I like about Biden is that he is playing the role of both a supporter and an independent leader. Palin seems to be just playing defender of McCain. __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much. Last edited by thespian86; 10-02-2008 at 06:08 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

10-02-2008, 06:09 PM	#64 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	And attacker of Obama. SHE WINKED AGAIN!

10-02-2008, 06:12 PM	#65 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	"Gosh darn it!" __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-02-2008, 06:12 PM	#66 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	...I didn't just hear a shoutout. On the other hand, the audience liked it

10-02-2008, 06:13 PM	#67 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	i'm watching on c-span i dont understand this baroque non-sequitors that palin keeps dropping. when she gets all populist, she seems to get kinda caught up in visualizing what she's talking about. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

10-02-2008, 06:18 PM	#68 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Non-sequitors, appeals to emotion, hokey language...that's what you have to look forward to with a McCain/Palin administration. Wouldn't that be refreshing? Wait a minute.... __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-02-2008, 06:19 PM	#69 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	Palin is so fucking annoying. I have nothing else to add. __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

10-02-2008, 06:22 PM	#70 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	First I've heard of Biden's family. Nice to know Palin's not got a monopoly on emotion.

10-02-2008, 06:22 PM	#71 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	he just wiped the floor with her on this last populist "i'm a regular person too" thing. this is not fun to watch at this point. i'm wondering if "i love money" is on. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

10-02-2008, 06:25 PM	#73 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	He seemed genuine; Palin seemed fake...like she was trying to hard to win "hearts and minds." __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-02-2008, 06:35 PM	#75 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	Not gonna lie, I kinda tuned out the past 15 minutes or so. Information overload and I felt myself reacting with quite a bit of bias.

10-02-2008, 06:38 PM	#76 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	comportment wise it was more professional than i expected for some reason. i think i missed some carnage (iraq)---it seemed that palin is a nicer person than i had imagined who is more out of her depth than i had imagined. she dissociates well. biden answered questions well. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

10-02-2008, 06:41 PM	#77 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	This was the first time I've heard Biden speak. I was impressed. He seems quite vice-presidential. He sometimes went too much into specifics, but not quite far enough to his detriment. Palin didn't embarrass herself, but her overall performance was disappointing. She dodged and distracted too much. She was too vague. If you review this, I'd think you could say Biden is the clear victor. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-02-2008, 06:42 PM	#78 (permalink)
Project-1 Upright Location: Dirty Jersey	All she talked about was Alaska and energy __________________ You Get Nothing, You Lose! Good Day Sir! Last edited by Project-1; 10-02-2008 at 06:45 PM..

10-02-2008, 06:43 PM	#79 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	Biden was easily the victor and was far more knowledgeable, however, Palin did not have any major gaffes or blank stare at the camera in confusion moments. I think she did what she had to do and has restored a lot of her credibility. __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

10-02-2008, 06:43 PM	#80 (permalink)
Project-1 Upright Location: Dirty Jersey	All she talked about the Alaska and energy. __________________ You Get Nothing, You Lose! Good Day Sir!