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smooth · 09-12-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by loquitur

smooth, the US isn't the first country to have people in their 70s or even 80s in office, run for office. The point isn't generalizable from the small data set you're considering. I agree that Reagan was showing signs of Alzheimer's setting in toward the end of his second term, but surely you know that aging is highly idiosyncratic. McCain's mother is 96 y.o. and still very vigorous. In fact, (under the heading of "hilarious stuff") I saw a posting somewhere (I forget where) with the title "who is older?" Underneath were two pictures - McCain's 96-y.o.-mother and Keith Richards. And McCain's mom looked much better.

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Oh, and ASU, if you read through the rest of her comments, she actually was careful not to commit to a military approach, only that it shouldn't be off the table. I'll grant you that she isn't fluid yet on foreign policy, and that she was to a large extent spitting back stuff she had memorized.

I didn't make a general argument for or against people in their 70s running for office. I merely questioned why pan would use Reagan's second term as evidence for not being concerned about a 73 year old president. Given the problems associated with Reagan's health during his second term, it undermines his position rather than supporting it.

If someone wanted to make a persuasive argument for not using mcCain's age and health problems against him, I'd suggest using one of the 70+ leaders from another country that you're referring to rather than Reagan's second term.

Tully Mars · 09-12-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by noodle

So, back to the OP, before everyone started on a tirade about age... Matt Damon is a trip.
He's not one I'd have suspected would open his mouth and be definitive about things...
I agree that it's nice to see celebrities questioning things like those of us in "real life" without screaming at each other.

DOES Palin believe that dinosaurs existed?

Damon's been pretty politically active for a long time. He and Robert De Niro were on Hardball with Chris Mathews about a year ago. When asked a question about Cheney he answered-

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He doesn't strike me as the kind of person who has any real personal courage. When it was his turn to go, he didn't go. He deferred six times

His writing partner and friend Ben Affleck is also active, even speaking of running for office at times.

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-12-2008, 02:57 PM

Love the chatter coming out of Hollywood these days...

/cue Susan Sarandon

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"Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor."

Pam Anderson

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"I can't Stand her... She can suck it."

Some pretty insightful, non-offensive, extremely pompous, nor misdirected comparisons to a certain Christian Messiah. For someone who makes such an easy target, these people are really throwing some debris in the wheels on the Obama machine.

host · 09-12-2008, 10:32 PM

Sometimes the obvious truth just needs to be said....this way:

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Watchdog Blog Blog Archive Unqualified for Duty
Posted at 7:20 pm, September 2nd, 2008
Dan Froomkin

One of the problems with modern political journalism is that when something manifestly absurd takes place, as long as there are people willing to argue both sides, our top reporters feel obliged to treat it as deserving of serious debate.

Case in point: John McCain’s selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.

Palin would be spectacularly unqualified for the job of vice president even if McCain were immortal. But the prospect of her suddenly being thrust into the leadership of the free world has got to leave everyone but the most loyal, talking-point-equipped partisans deeply chilled.

This is not a question of her politics. And it has absolutely nothing to do with her gender. It’s not even strictly speaking a question of experience. Conceivably, somebody with even less experience than Palin could meet what everyone should be able to agree is a basic requirement for the office: That she or he has given serious thought to the national and international issues of our time.

Is there any evidence that Palin is anything other than an utter neophyte when it comes to issues such as Iraq, the economy, health care, and domestic and foreign policy generally?

Palin’s lack of the most basic prerequisite for the job should be the dominant message of the news coverage. Instead, her selection was hailed as a “bold move,” with her lack of qualifications relegated to the status of a Democratic complaint. Instead, the media establishment has let itself get drawn into a number of alternate story lines, some of them certainly quite fascinating, but none of them as essential.

What possible reason is there to nominate someone so lacking in gravitas for the vice presidency? In this case, of course, it couldn’t be more obvious that Palin’s selection has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with governance. Palin’s gender and her hard-right credentials were clearly seen by McCain’s top advisers as just what the campaign needed.

Whether that was a clever or suicidal political calculation remains to be seen. It’s certainly looking more and more like it was a reckless one. But it doesn’t just strain credulity – it pulverizes it – to suggest that she is the best and most qualified person McCain could find for the job.

It’s a tremendous failure of political reporting that such patent spin from McCain supporters is being treated like a supportable position. By contrast, it seems to me that anyone suggesting that Palin was selected for anything other than political reasons should be considered presumptively a liar from this point on....

......Even though the cable networks can find matched pairs of pundits to take opposite sides on just about anything, I can’t help but think that the vast majority of political journalists recognize that there is something seriously out of whack with the Palin selection.

So it’s time for our elite political reporters to look into their own heads and decide: Do you value what’s in there? Or are you willing to write whatever people tell you?

Willravel · 09-12-2008, 10:53 PM

Great article, host.

smooth · 09-12-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

Great article, host.

Definitely.
Thanks for posting it.

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-13-2008, 12:11 AM

Honestly... In the same breath... What makes Barack so qualified???

He is not Shrub?

That seems to be the test of the times these days... GW sucks as a President... Therefore Obama is qualified.

smooth · 09-13-2008, 01:21 AM

I'm voting for him because he's young and black.

jorgelito · 09-13-2008, 01:52 AM

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I'm voting for him because he's young and black.

That's certainly your right and no one can take that away from you. I wouldn't denigrate you on your selection or reasons; it's your choice and none of my business. I would hope all of us would respect each others' right to vote and choose whomever we wish for whatever reason.

ottopilot · 09-13-2008, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by host

Sometimes the obvious truth just needs to be said....this way:

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Originally Posted by Willravel

Great article, host.

Yeah, nice job finding an opinion piece that supports your opinion. Which out of the hundreds, perhaps thousands of opinionated blogs could anyone find something supporting their opinion?

I like Mojo_PeiPei's (perhaps more accurate) comment about Obama... so I'll use it.

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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei

Honestly... In the same breath... What makes Barack so qualified???

He is not Shrub?

That seems to be the test of the times these days... GW sucks as a President... Therefore Obama is qualified.

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-13-2008, 09:20 AM

And here I thought he was half-white and raised by white women.

host · 09-13-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopilot

Yeah, nice job finding an opinion piece that supports your opinion. Which out of the hundreds, perhaps thousands of opinionated blogs could anyone find something supporting their opinion?

I like Mojo_PeiPei's (perhaps more accurate) comment about Obama... so I'll use it.

ottopilot, you've chosen, along with more conservatives than I can possibly count....to marginalize yourself to a fringe POV that cannot be taken seriously...when you criticize the obvious....the "no bullshit", matter of fact opinions of respected and award winning, MAINSTREAM, Washington Post reporter, Dan Froomkin.

Like it or not...American history and Sarah Palin's own recent history and her biography, support what Froomkin said, and what I am posting....let us review where republican standards once were, and where they are today. Let us compare FDR Jr.'s bio, in 1963, and the "controversy" that republicans claimed made him unqualified for the lowly position, compared to the vice presidency....of undersecretary of commerce:

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News Conference 49 - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum
News Conference 49
President John F. Kennedy
State Department Auditorium
Washington, D.C.
February 14, 1963
4 :00 PM EST (Thursday)
302 In Attendance

....QUESTION: Mr. President, a number of Republicans have questioned the qualifications of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jr., to be Under Secretary of Commerce. Would you like to answer them?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes. They questioned the qualifications of his father to be President, and I think that Mr. Roosevelt, I am hopeful, will be confirmed. I wouldn't have sent him up there unless I felt that he would be a good Under Secretary. I served with him in the Congress, and I am for him strongly. I hope the Senate confirms him....

Vidette-Messenger, The (Newspaper) - March 13, 1963, Valparaiso, Indiana
Vidette-Messenger, The (Newspaper) - March 13, 1963, Valparaiso,...
Subscription - Vidette Messenger - NewspaperArchie - Mar 13, 1963
... unworthy of the ad- produce it WASHINGTON Republican Sen Norris Cotton after grilling Franklin D Roosevelt Jr on his qualifications to undersecretary of ...

F.D.R. Jr. Faces Tough Quiz on New U.S. Post
Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - ProQuest Archiver - Mar 9, 1963
... to pepper Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. with some tough questions about his background when he appears before the Senate Commerce Committee next week to be. ...

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ROOSEVELT, Franklin Delano, Jr. - Biographical Information
ROOSEVELT, Franklin Delano, Jr., (1914 - 1988)

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ROOSEVELT, Franklin Delano, Jr., (son of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and brother of James Roosevelt), a Representative from New York; born in Campobello, New Brunswick, Canada, August 17, 1914; graduated from Groton School, Groton, Mass., 1933; graduated from Harvard University, 1937; graduated from the University of Virginia Law School at Charlottesville, 1940; was admitted to the bar in 1942; was called from the Naval Reserve on March 13, 1941, to active duty as an ensign in the United States Navy and served in North Africa, Europe, and the Pacific; discharged from active duty in January 1946; awarded the Purple Heart Medal and the Silver Star; lawyer, private practice; vice president of President Truman’s Committee on Civil Rights in 1947 and 1948; chairman of mayor’s committee on unity in New York City in 1948 and 1949; delegate to Democratic National Conventions in 1952 and 1956; elected as a Liberal Party candidate to the Eighty-first Congress, by special election, to fill the vacancy caused by the death of United States Representative Sol Bloom (May 17, 1949-January 3, 1951); changed from a Liberal to a Democrat on January 3, 1951; elected as a Democrat to the Eighty-second Congress and to the succeeding Congress (January 3, 1951-January 3, 1955); was not a candidate for renomination in 1954, but was unsuccessful for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination; unsuccessful candidate for election for attorney general of New York in 1954; engaged in the automobile import business in 1958; appointed by President Kennedy as chairman of Appalachian Regional Commission, 1963; appointed by President Kennedy as Undersecretary of Commerce, 1963;

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Alaska Governor Sarah Palin
About the Governor

Governor Sarah Palin made history on Dec. 4, 2006, when she took office. As the 11th governor of Alaska, she is the first woman to hold the office.

...Prior to her election as governor, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council and two terms as the mayor/manager of Wasilla. During her tenure, she reduced property tax levels while increasing services and made Wasilla a business friendly environment, drawing in new industry...

...Sarah Heath Palin arrived in Alaska with her family in 1964, when her parents came to teach school in Skagway. She received a bachelor of science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho in 1987. Palin, who graduated from Wasilla High School in 1982, has lived in Skagway, Eagle River and Wasilla.......

...Prior to taking office, Palin served on numerous boards and commissions throughout the state. She was active in her family’s pursuits – including serving as a sports team mom and school volunteer. She also runs marathons.

Palin is a lifetime member of the NRA and enjoys hunting, fishing, Alaska history, and all that Alaska's great outdoors has to offer....

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Sarah Palin's husband receives summons in state trooper investigation | World news | The Guardian

Palin's husband receives summons in state trooper investigationDaniel Nasaw and Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington The Guardian, Saturday September 13 2008
Alaska's legislators shook up the presidential race yesterday with a vote to subpoena Todd Palin, the husband of Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin, to question him about whether she sacked the state's police chief in order to settle a personal score.

The demand to interview Todd Palin was the latest move in a state senate investigation into accusations that Sarah Palin dismissed state public safety commissioner Walter Monegan because he refused to sack a state trooper caught in a messy divorce with Palin's sister. Palin maintains she let Monegan go over a budget dispute.

If the investigation finds that Palin used her influence as governor to further a family matter, it could threaten McCain's bid for the presidency. The Republican party has sought to portray Palin, Alaska's governor since December 2006, as a corruption fighter.

Stephen Branchflower, the former prosecutor conducting the inquiry for the state senate, did not seek to subpoena the governor but has said he would like to interview her. Todd Palin was one of 13 people the panel voted to subpoena. The state senate panel rejected efforts by two of its Republican members to delay the matter until after the November 4 election. Their report is due next month. The investigation began in the weeks before McCain selected Palin as his running mate . The Republicans say the inquiry is politically motivated.

Monegan says that Palin, her aides and her husband, a commercial fisherman and oilfield worker, approached him and complained that trooper Mike Wooten was still employed by the department. Palin fired Monegan in July, and Monegan has publicly said he believes the firing was connected with his refusal to remove Wooten.....

washingtonpost.com
Palin E-Mails Show Intense Interest in Trooper's Penalty
By James V. Grimaldi and Karl Vick
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, September 4, 2008; Page A27

EAGLE RIVER, Alaska, Sept. 3 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the running mate for GOP presidential candidate John McCain, wrote e-mails that harshly criticized Alaska state troopers for failing to fire her former brother-in-law and ridiculed an internal affairs investigation into his conduct.

The e-mails were shown to The Washington Post by a former public safety commissioner, Walter Monegan, who was fired by Palin in July. Monegan has given copies of the e-mails to state ethics investigators to support his contention that he was dismissed for failing to fire Trooper Mike Wooten, who at the time was feuding with Palin's family. ....

In 1963, republicans attacked FDR Jr., as "unqualified", even for appointment to a relatively minor office, after JFK appointed him as undersecretary of the commerce dept. because his law firm had accepted a fee for services from a Latin American dicator and FDR Jr., as a law partner, received some of that legal fee as income, he had lost his driver's license after five minor infractions, several not even related to his actual driving, and he was susequently arrested for driving while under suspension....oh yeah.....and he was involved in a business related tax payment dispute with the IRS over which year a payment and penalty were due....yet the grandfathers of the current republican generation declared FDR Jr. to be unqualified to hold even minor office.... even though the man was the son and namesake of the US president who led the country during the great depression and during WWII, and he himself was a wounded and highly decorated war hero, a Harvard grad and a law school grad and practicing attorney and three term US congressman.

When did republicans and other conservatives abandon the high ethical and competence standards of their grandfather's in favor of this....not only in favor of it, but quick to vigorously and enthusiastically defend it all? You don't want to be dismissed as hypocrites, and you want to be taken seriously in your arguments.....but....as Dan Froomkin chided political reporters....c'mon....what choice, when considering your reactions to Palin, her qualifications, and behavior and decisions taken in "troopergate".....do you actually leave, the rest of us?

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Exclusive: Chief Fired by Palin Speaks Out - Washington Post Investigations
She took office in December 2006 and appointed Monegan, who'd just retired as Anchorage police chief after five years, to be public safety commissioner...

Anchorage Police Department - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Today the Anchorage Police Department is the largest police department in Alaska serving a population of roughly 227,000 in a service area encompassing 159 square miles. There are several specialized units including Canine, Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT), Homicide Response Team, Hostage Negotiations Team, Bomb Team, School Resource Officer (SRO), Crisis Intervention Team (CIT), Identification Section, Data System Section, Records Section, Traffic and Crime Prevention Unit. APD's Homicide Response Team has been nationally recognized for their techniques and solvability rate.

McClatchy Washington Bureau | 08/30/2008 | Fired official: Palin talked to me about ex-brother-in-law
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2008
ANCHORAGE — Alaska's former commissioner of public safety claims that Gov. Sarah Palin, John McCain's pick to be vice president, personally talked to him on two occasions about a state trooper who was locked in a bitter custody battle with the governor's sister. ...

...The controversy raises questions not only about whether she abused her authority as governor, but about her administrative abilities. Palin's replacement for Monegan, Chuck Kopp, was forced to resign just two weeks after he was appointed because of a sexual harassment complaint that had been filed against him when he was the chief of police in Kenai, Alaska.

Palin, in a news conference announcing Kopp's resignation July 24, said she was unaware that the Kenai city council had reprimanded Kopp as a result of the complaint. She wouldn't discuss how her staff had vetted Kopp before naming him to replace Monegan three days after Monegan was fired.

Palin apologized for the chaos that the Monegan dismissal and the Kopp resignation had caused. "This has been a tumultuous week in the Department of Public Safety, and as your governor, I apologize," she said at the news conference.

Monegan claims his refusal to fire Wooten was a major reason that Palin dismissed him.

Kenai, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As of the census[4] of 2000, there were 6,942 people, 2,622 households, and 1,788 families residing in the city.

Palin Administration Names New Public Safety Commissioner | Alaska Superstation -- Alaska News, Weather and Sports -- Anchorage, Fairbanks and Juneau
Palin Administration Names New Public Safety Commissioner
Jamey Kirk

Story Updated: Jul 14, 2008 at 7:38 PM AKDT

Anchorage, AK - Kenai's own chief of police will no longer serve and protect the people of Kenai. Charles "Chuck" Kopp will now focus his energies on the safety of both Kenai residents and the citizens of the rest of the state.

On Monday, Gov. Sarah Palin named Kopp Public Safety commissioner. The new head of the state's Department of Public Safety has replaced Walt Monegan, who was fired by the governor. Palin said she wanted the department to head in a new direction, with new leadership.

Speaking on Kopp's behalf, the governor said the he has dedicated his career to public safety, and shares her commitment to strengthening communities and combating drug and alcohol problems in rural Alaska.

Kopp, 43, told Soldotna radio station KSRM that this is a, "great privilege to serve the people of Alaska in this capacity."...

So....to sum it up.....from the collective, bizarro POV you have signed onto.... sudden dismissal of the former chief of police of the department in the state's largest city, from the post as chief of the state Department of Public Safety, suddenly and without further explanation.....NONE OFFERED TO THIS VERY DAY, by Gov. Palin, in favor of the immediate appointment, apparently unvetted or poorly vetted, of the chief of a police depatment of a rural town populated by less than 7,500 people.....yeah....that Change needed to get done, ASAP, didn't it? And it effing lasted less than two weeks!

Ottopilot, mojo, jorgelito, am I even assuming correctly that you want to be taken seriously here, in political discussions? There are degrees of respect, as far as voting decisions anyone takes. The degree of respect is earned, it doesn't just come automatically.

As Dan Froomkin and history make very clear, Palin is a poor, unqualified choice, even if some are willing to argue otherwise. Chief Monegan was clearly much more qualified to head state public safety, than Chief Kopp was....these are obvious conclusions, guys....and it isn't like it isn't pointed out to you, over and over.....you simply refuse to consider the obvious!

ottopilot · 09-13-2008, 10:39 AM

So what is your equally compelling argument FOR Obama? I'm going with "He's not a shrub."

You say lots of stuff when you say lots of stuff. Are you now in support of Obama? No friends at the daily KOS these days?

host · 09-13-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopilot

So what is your equally compelling argument FOR Obama? I'm going with "He's not a shrub."

You say lots of stuff when you say lots of stuff. Are you now in support of Obama? No friends at the daily KOS these days?

I detest Obana....I've made that obvious in recent posts. He's shown himself to be an enabler, instead of a challenger, along with Pelosi, Hoyer, Reed, et al....to what I object to most.....the one party in America, the "property party", with two right wings, democrat and republican..... the "coaltition" that passed "telecomm amnesty" and FISA "reform".....the group that wants to defend Israel as if it was the 51st US state, that proclaims any enemly of Israel to be an enemy of the US, the group that wants to increase the size of the US milifary, and the amount spent on that military, the group that declares preemptive use of military force to be an option, the group that is to the right of president Eisenhower......

....although they are not many, there are members at dailykos who agree with me about Obama....it was one of them who shared the Gore Vidal "property party" quote with me.... I was unfamiliar with it, and it was a revelation to read it...and it still is, every time....

Now again....why do you settle for so little and defend your opinion of what you settle for....when conservatives of your grandfather's day had such loftier and demanding, minimum standards, for qualification to even minor office in the US government?

ottopilot · 09-13-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by host

...although they are not many, there are members at dailykos who agree with me about Obama....it was one of them who shared the Gore Vidal "property party" quote with me.... I was unfamiliar with it, and it was a revelation to read it...and it still is, every time...

Wow... my comment about the dailykos was just sarcasm because it fit the profile. I suppose some clichés are based in truth.

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Originally Posted by host

Now again....why do you settle for so little and defend your opinion of what you settle for....when conservatives of your grandfather's day had such loftier and demanding, minimum standards, for qualification to even minor office in the US government?

Since your assumptions appear to serve mostly as a springboard for your daily research or talking points, which opinion? How may I help you clear your desk?

host · 09-13-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopilot

Yeah, nice job finding an opinion piece that supports your opinion. Which out of the hundreds, perhaps thousands of opinionated blogs could anyone find something supporting their opinion?

I like Mojo_PeiPei's (perhaps more accurate) comment about Obama... so I'll use it.

.....Froomkin stated the obvious.....that Palin is an unqualified, "minor leaguer", and he chided the political press for providing stenographic services for the idiot pundits who claim Palin was a worthy pick as McCain's running mate.

You seem to support those who claim Palin was a qualified choice. You seem to disagree with Dan Froomkin's point that when something is so obvious.....Palin is unqualified to be US VP..... it does not matter how many say otherwise, if they cannot support their opinion.....you can't....and I posted the examples of your grandfathers' opposite standards.

If you defend the Palin pick, you have no standards.

What is the "wow" reaction to dailykos....why wouldn't I think you were serious? It's a political site open to public posting....like this one....?

smooth · 09-13-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei

And here I thought he was half-white and raised by white women.

Well I'm not black, but I like rap music and I usually like black people when I meet them in person. I don't really know anything about Obama's background or stance on any issues, but I figure I'd like him if I met him.

Rekna · 09-13-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

BTW.... as my father used to tell me and it is apparent when studying all he recent presidents... the president is a figurehead, the true power lies in whom he places in his cabinet and how well his advisers advise him. It is still the president's decision, but 99% of the time it is on the advice of his advisers and thorough research as to how he may react. I personally believe McCain will put in his cabinet far more qualified and better people than Obama.

Ok I'll bite, why don't we compare Palin and Biden and see who is more qualified. If McCain is going to pick is cabinate positions after a 15 minute based on a gut feeling then i'm scared. Good leadership is done through good judgment which takes homework, something McCain doesn't seem willing to do.

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-13-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by smooth

Well I'm not black, but I like rap music and I usually like black people when I meet them in person. I don't really know anything about Obama's background or stance on any issues, but I figure I'd like him if I met him.

Like how people said George Bush seems like a cool guy to have a beer with?

filtherton · 09-13-2008, 05:57 PM

I like Obama because, as a Blame America First liberal, I appreciate the fact that his middle name is the same as the last name of Saddam Hussein and that if you replace a letter in his first name with another letter you can spell Osama.

loquitur · 09-13-2008, 06:59 PM

I think I can safely say now that the quality of the discussion on this thread has now hit bottom and is digging.

ngdawg · 09-15-2008, 02:26 PM

Did someone say "Disney"?

YouTube - The Lying King

pan6467 · 09-16-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ngdawg

Did someone say "Disney"?

YouTube - The Lying King

Very funny and true. Thank you for sharing some humor with us.

ottopilot · 09-16-2008, 09:07 AM

das ist ein wunderbar!

asaris · 09-16-2008, 10:05 AM

Wow, that was a stupid and entirely inaccurate video.

Tully Mars · 09-16-2008, 10:18 AM

Huh, thought the right hated all things European. Oh well least it wasn't in French.

ASU2003 · 10-05-2008, 06:46 AM

Sarah Palin Disney Trailer - CollegeHumor video

I know this happened a while ago, but I found this (fake) movie trailer today. When they put it like that it does seem like a movie Disney would make.

I wonder what would happen if the Dems used this as a campaign ad?

Seaver · 10-05-2008, 09:50 AM

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Did someone say "Disney"?

Funny, True, and proves Host's post in a way he never intended. The batshit crazy stuff posted in the news belongs to the Left much moreso than the right.

dc_dux · 10-05-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaver

The batshit crazy stuff posted in the news belongs to the Left much moreso than the right.

In the words of Ronald Reagan......"there you go again!"

Dont you guys on the right ever get tired of making the same baseless argument?

09-13-2008, 12:11 AM	#47 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Honestly... In the same breath... What makes Barack so qualified??? He is not Shrub? That seems to be the test of the times these days... GW sucks as a President... Therefore Obama is qualified. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

09-13-2008, 01:21 AM	#48 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	I'm voting for him because he's young and black. __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman

09-13-2008, 09:20 AM	#51 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	And here I thought he was half-white and raised by white women. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

09-13-2008, 10:39 AM	#53 (permalink)
ottopilot let me be clear Location: Waddy Peytona	So what is your equally compelling argument FOR Obama? I'm going with "He's not a shrub." You say lots of stuff when you say lots of stuff. Are you now in support of Obama? No friends at the daily KOS these days? __________________ "It rubs the lotion on Buffy, Jodi and Mr. French's skin" - Uncle Bill from Buffalo

09-16-2008, 09:07 AM	#64 (permalink)
ottopilot let me be clear Location: Waddy Peytona	das ist ein wunderbar! __________________ "It rubs the lotion on Buffy, Jodi and Mr. French's skin" - Uncle Bill from Buffalo

09-12-2008, 10:53 PM	#45 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Great article, host.

09-13-2008, 05:57 PM	#60 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I like Obama because, as a Blame America First liberal, I appreciate the fact that his middle name is the same as the last name of Saddam Hussein and that if you replace a letter in his first name with another letter you can spell Osama.

09-13-2008, 06:59 PM	#61 (permalink)
loquitur Junkie Location: NYC	I think I can safely say now that the quality of the discussion on this thread has now hit bottom and is digging.

09-16-2008, 10:05 AM	#65 (permalink)
asaris Mad Philosopher Location: Washington, DC	Wow, that was a stupid and entirely inaccurate video. __________________ "Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht." "The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm." -- Friedrich Nietzsche

09-16-2008, 10:18 AM	#66 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Huh, thought the right hated all things European. Oh well least it wasn't in French. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club