dc_dux

Earlier this week. the House voted on one of their many innocuous resolutions...this time to honor mothers and mothers day:
After a unanimous voice vote in support of the resolution, a Repub called for a recorded vote....The final vote: Dems - 224 ayes, Repubs - 178 Noes

These guys vote for resolutions to call Gen Petaeus a great American patriot (when he was mocked by MoveOn.org) or to honor Charleton Heston (for his life achievements).or to recognize Christmas (as a statement against the secular war on Christmas)...but wont vote for mom?

When asked why the GOP switched their votes, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said, “Oh, we just wanted to make sure that everyone was on record in support of Mother’s Day.” (Even though he was on record against Mother’s Day.)

Those wacky repubs

ps....Happy Mothers Day, Mom!

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echo5delta

"That's pretty fucked up, dude."

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Cynthetiq

strange

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-274

shows that only 21 voted no.

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dc_dux

No....you are looking at the voice vote (vote #274 - 21 not present) that proceeded the roll call vote (vote #275)

BTW, I know it was just a technical maneuver..but a stupid one.

More: Republicans Vote Against Moms; No Word Yet on Puppies, Kittens

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Cynthetiq

what do you mean? I'm don't understand the roll call vote vs. voice vote.

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dc_dux

The first vote was a voice vote and everyone present voted yes (412-0, 21 not present/not voting)

Then a Repub asked for a roll call vote and the second vote resulted (237-178)

It was a procedural tactic by the Republicans with the intent of stalling the House from moving on to other more important business.

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Ustwo

dc don't play stupid, you know whats going on

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dc_dux

Ustwo...I know why this Repub was one of those not voting
As I said, it was a procedural move to stall the House from other pressing business....it was just stupid to do with with this resolution.
They succeeded in delaying a vote on a Dem housing foreclosure relief bill until the following day (yesterday)...and that delayed the vote on the Iraq war funding bill until next week. That gives the Repubs the weekend to trash the Dem war funding bill and suggest that the Dems dont support the troops.

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dksuddeth

and people wonder why congress' rating is so fricking low

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echo5delta

It's very comforting to know that not only was there a rationale behind this vote, but that it was a thoroughly valid one as well.



(/disgust)

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Willravel

And why mothers are rated so high!

Hain

Wow...I never realized how much my high school mock congress is like the Real Congress.. motions to dismiss at every chance, recalls, and rethink votes because people weren't ready.

I got an A, I should be great material.

//lame//

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pan6467

No, 21 did not vote either aye or nay. There were 11 Dems and 10 Rep. that no voted.

And 44/54 co sponsors were Rep.

You were correct DC.....

It was a motion to reconsider and the Dems Tabled the motion.... I was misreading it a first I stand corrected.

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dc_dux

pan...it was me, not host.

And, the facts as I stated are correct. I know what it means to "Table a Motion to Reconsider". I dont think you do.

The Washington Post does as well.

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Borgs

Just for the sake of argument, I'd like to point out that it takes some effort to get a low approval rating as a mother.

On the other hand, it apparently doesn't take Congress much effort to get a low approval rating. All they have to do is nothing.

dc_dux

pan....its no big deal.

I just thought it was funny that 178 Republicans wanted to reconsider their "aye" vote (what they really wanted to do was keep stalling so important votes would be postponed).

From the Congressional Record (Tiahrt, is the republican who made the motion to reconsider the previous 412-0 vote)

If it had been reversed, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly et all would have been all over it.

Turn about is fair play

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ottopilot

Here's the bottom line ...

From now on, anyone that says "no" to their mom gets a big fat time out. And I mean it mister! don't look at me in that tone of voice

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dc_dux

New Republican message.

Moms are good....golf is bad

Q Mr. President, you haven’t been golfing in recent years. Is that related to Iraq?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it really is. I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as — to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.

wtf? Thats one hell of a sacrifice and show of solidarity!

He should take a mulligan on that idiotic comment.

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ottopilot

2 words come to mind... Context and Proportion.

Mix those together with some intellectual honesty and you will never have to

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dc_dux

One word comes to mnd about Bush's intellectual honesty...at least n the context of this adsurd quote

Bullshit!

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ottopilot

Oh ... I see. So it's OK to purposely misrepresent someone's comments completely out of context when it suites your defamatory purposes?

Didn't you once say ... Which is it? I mean ... gosh ... you got all preachy about honesty yesterday ... and now this?

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dc_dux

The quote is a direct quote from Bush.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it really is. I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as — to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.

Unlike your Obama quote, which was never said by Obama....the Bush quote is not a misrepresentation. It is from a WH transcript. The difference should be obvious.

Out of context? Read the full interview of Bush. What context did I miss, other than not pasting in the full interview?

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ottopilot

OK dc I read the full interview...
Here's the full QA on the topic of golf.

And here is your comment:So with all your intellectual honesty and good intentions, and in context of Bush's brief remarks about golfing (and moms), and from this entire interview, you deduced that his true and complete sentiment regarding all things related to the war, and the intensity of his empathy for all people who are suffering, are fully represented in those few sentences? From this one interview, you're willing to portray how the president truly cares about soldiers and their families as idiotic and lacking commitment? You must be that Amazing fucking Kreskin guy! (your'e busted Mr. Kreskin) Or perhaps you purposely spinned the piece to take a cheap shot. Sort of like when someone wants to ... let's see ... how did you put it ... I'd hate to see what you would have said about Obama's "average white person" statement. Whoo-buddy! I bet you'd rip him a new one for sure! I'm sure (just like you did with Bush's comments) that Barry Obama absolutely believes (literally) what he said applies to all average white people ... right?

Oh wait ... you support that guy. Pretty transparent.

Regarding the Obama quote that was in my signature ... ever hear of satire? Sort of like News Update on SNL. But the other two "quotes" by that famous minitwo guy are absolutely word-for-word. Better get that letter in the mail to SNL before they "promulgate knowingly false or deceptive information" again.

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dc_dux

otto...I didnt deduce anything.

I simply offered my opinion that I thought it was an idiotic answer to a (stupid) question that ridicules the meaning of "sacrifice" to me....
...particularly since several months after he was informed of de Mello's death, he was playing golf:

This is the latest in a series of statements by Bush, the first lady and Vice President Cheney illustrating how far removed they are from the consequences of the decision to go to war -- and stay at war.

But giving up golf?

Not only is it a hollow, trivial sacrifice at best, Bush's story doesn't hold water. While he dates his decision to abjure golf to Aug. 19, 2003 -- the day a truck bomb in Baghdad killed U.N. special representative Sergio Vieira de Mello and more than a dozen others -- the Associated Press reported on Oct. 13, 2003, that he'd spent a "cool, breezy Columbus Day" playing "a round of golf with three long-time buddies.

..."On that outing, he was typically full of what passes for good humor at the White House. The AP reported: "'Fine looking crew you got there. Fine looking crew,' Bush joked to reporters. 'That's what we'd hope for presidential coverage. Only the best.'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...401929_pf.html

This is a guy who has spent more time on vacation than any recent president and has never attended a slain soldier's funeral.

so yeah, sounds like bullshit to me.

but, hey, you can disagree.

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