Repubs say NO to Mom? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

dc_dux · 05-09-2008, 06:53 AM

Earlier this week. the House voted on one of their many innocuous resolutions...this time to honor mothers and mothers day:

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H. Res. 1113

May 7, 2008.

Whereas Mother's Day is celebrated on the second Sunday of each May;

Whereas the first official Mother's Day was observed on May 10, 1908, in Grafton, West Virginia, and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania;

Whereas 2008 is the 100th anniversary of the first official Mother's Day observation;

Whereas in 1908, Elmer Burkett, a U.S. senator from Nebraska, proposed making Mother's Day a national holiday;

Whereas in 1914, Congress passed a resolution designating the second Sunday of May as Mother's Day;

Whereas it is estimated that there are more than 82,000,000 mothers in the United States;

Whereas mothers have made immeasurable contributions toward building strong families, thriving communities, and ultimately a strong Nation;

Whereas the services rendered to the children of the United States by their mothers have strengthened and inspired the Nation throughout its history;

Whereas we honor ourselves and mothers in the United States when we revere and emphasize the importance of the role of the home and family as the true foundation of the Nation;

Whereas mothers continue to rise to the challenge of raising their families with love, understanding, and compassion, while overcoming the challenges of modern society; and

Whereas May 11, 2008 is recognized as Mother's Day: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives celebrates the role of mothers in the United States and supports the goals and ideals of Mother's Day.

After a unanimous voice vote in support of the resolution, a Repub called for a recorded vote....The final vote: Dems - 224 ayes, Repubs - 178 Noes

These guys vote for resolutions to call Gen Petaeus a great American patriot (when he was mocked by MoveOn.org) or to honor Charleton Heston (for his life achievements).or to recognize Christmas (as a statement against the secular war on Christmas)...but wont vote for mom?

When asked why the GOP switched their votes, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said, “Oh, we just wanted to make sure that everyone was on record in support of Mother’s Day.” (Even though he was on record against Mother’s Day.)

Those wacky repubs

ps....Happy Mothers Day, Mom!

echo5delta · 05-09-2008, 07:15 AM

"That's pretty fucked up, dude."

Cynthetiq · 05-09-2008, 07:18 AM

strange

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-274

shows that only 21 voted no.

dc_dux · 05-09-2008, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

strange

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-274

shows that only 21 voted no.

No....you are looking at the voice vote (vote #274 - 21 not present) that proceeded the roll call vote (vote #275)

BTW, I know it was just a technical maneuver..but a stupid one.

More: Republicans Vote Against Moms; No Word Yet on Puppies, Kittens

Cynthetiq · 05-09-2008, 07:26 AM

what do you mean? I'm don't understand the roll call vote vs. voice vote.

dc_dux · 05-09-2008, 07:30 AM

The first vote was a voice vote and everyone present voted yes (412-0, 21 not present/not voting)

Then a Repub asked for a roll call vote and the second vote resulted (237-178)

It was a procedural tactic by the Republicans with the intent of stalling the House from moving on to other more important business.

Ustwo · 05-09-2008, 07:37 AM

dc don't play stupid, you know whats going on

dc_dux · 05-09-2008, 07:39 AM

Ustwo...I know why this Repub was one of those not voting

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Representative Vito J. Fossella, the Staten Island Republican who was arrested on drunken-driving charges in Virginia last week, acknowledged on Thursday that he had fathered a daughter, now 3, in an extramarital affair.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/ny...l?ref=nyregion

As I said, it was a procedural move to stall the House from other pressing business....it was just stupid to do with with this resolution.

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Boehner (Repub minority leader) decided to stop the House from working at all. As House Democrats tried to pass legislation to ease the mortgage crisis on Wednesday, Republicans served up hours of procedural delays, demanding a score of roll call votes: 10 motions to adjourn, half a dozen motions to reconsider, various and sundry amendments, a motion to approve the daily journal, a motion to instruct and a "motion to rise."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2008050900005

They succeeded in delaying a vote on a Dem housing foreclosure relief bill until the following day (yesterday)...and that delayed the vote on the Iraq war funding bill until next week. That gives the Repubs the weekend to trash the Dem war funding bill and suggest that the Dems dont support the troops.

dksuddeth · 05-09-2008, 07:49 AM

and people wonder why congress' rating is so fricking low

echo5delta · 05-09-2008, 07:52 AM

It's very comforting to know that not only was there a rationale behind this vote, but that it was a thoroughly valid one as well.

(/disgust)

Willravel · 05-09-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dksuddeth

and people wonder why congress' rating is so fricking low

And why mothers are rated so high!

Hain · 05-09-2008, 08:55 AM

Wow...I never realized how much my high school mock congress is like the Real Congress.. motions to dismiss at every chance, recalls, and rethink votes because people weren't ready.

I got an A, I should be great material.

//lame//

pan6467 · 05-09-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

strange

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-274

shows that only 21 voted no.

No, 21 did not vote either aye or nay. There were 11 Dems and 10 Rep. that no voted.

And 44/54 co sponsors were Rep.

You were correct DC.....

It was a motion to reconsider and the Dems Tabled the motion.... I was misreading it a first I stand corrected.

dc_dux · 05-09-2008, 09:14 PM

pan...it was me, not host.

And, the facts as I stated are correct. I know what it means to "Table a Motion to Reconsider". I dont think you do.

The Washington Post does as well.

Borgs · 05-09-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

And why mothers are rated so high!

Just for the sake of argument, I'd like to point out that it takes some effort to get a low approval rating as a mother.

On the other hand, it apparently doesn't take Congress much effort to get a low approval rating. All they have to do is nothing.

dc_dux · 05-09-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

No, 21 did not vote either aye or nay. There were 11 Dems and 10 Rep. that no voted.

And 44/54 co sponsors were Rep.

You were correct DC.....

It was a motion to reconsider and the Dems Tabled the motion.... I was misreading it a first I stand corrected.

pan....its no big deal.

I just thought it was funny that 178 Republicans wanted to reconsider their "aye" vote (what they really wanted to do was keep stalling so important votes would be postponed).

From the Congressional Record (Tiahrt, is the republican who made the motion to reconsider the previous 412-0 vote)

If it had been reversed, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly et all would have been all over it.

Turn about is fair play

ottopilot · 05-10-2008, 12:02 PM

Here's the bottom line ...

From now on, anyone that says "no" to their mom gets a big fat time out.

And I mean it mister! don't look at me in that tone of voice

dc_dux · 05-14-2008, 11:28 AM

New Republican message.

Moms are good....golf is bad

Q Mr. President, you haven’t been golfing in recent years. Is that related to Iraq?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it really is. I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as — to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.

wtf? Thats one hell of a sacrifice and show of solidarity!

He should take a mulligan on that idiotic comment.

ottopilot · 05-14-2008, 11:56 AM

2 words come to mind... Context and Proportion.

Mix those together with some intellectual honesty and you will never have to

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promulgate knowingly false or deceptive information!

dc_dux · 05-14-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopilot

2 words come to mind... Context and Proportion.

Mix those together with some intellectual honesty and you will never have to

One word comes to mnd about Bush's intellectual honesty...at least n the context of this adsurd quote

Bullshit!

ottopilot · 05-14-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

One word comes to mnd about Bush's intellectual honesty...at least n the context of this adsurd quote

Bullshit!

Oh ... I see. So it's OK to purposely misrepresent someone's comments completely out of context when it suites your defamatory purposes?

Didn't you once say ...

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

perhaps you do understand it is wrong to promulgate knowingly false or deceptive information!

Which is it? I mean ... gosh ... you got all preachy about honesty yesterday ... and now this?

dc_dux · 05-14-2008, 03:48 PM

The quote is a direct quote from Bush.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it really is. I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as — to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.

Unlike your Obama quote, which was never said by Obama....the Bush quote is not a misrepresentation. It is from a WH transcript. The difference should be obvious.

Out of context? Read the full interview of Bush. What context did I miss, other than not pasting in the full interview?

ottopilot · 05-14-2008, 05:51 PM

OK dc I read the full interview...
Here's the full QA on the topic of golf.

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Q Mr. President, you haven't been golfing in recent years. Is that related to Iraq?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it really is. I don't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as -- to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.

Q Mr. President, was there a particular moment or incident that brought you to that decision, or how did you come to that?

THE PRESIDENT: No, I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad as a result of these murderers taking this good man's life. And I was playing golf -- I think I was in central Texas -- and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, it's just not worth it anymore to do.

And here is your comment:

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

wtf? Thats one hell of a sacrifice and show of solidarity!

He should take a mulligan on that idiotic comment.

So with all your intellectual honesty and good intentions, and in context of Bush's brief remarks about golfing (and moms), and from this entire interview, you deduced that his true and complete sentiment regarding all things related to the war, and the intensity of his empathy for all people who are suffering, are fully represented in those few sentences? From this one interview, you're willing to portray how the president truly cares about soldiers and their families as idiotic and lacking commitment? You must be that Amazing fucking Kreskin guy! (your'e busted Mr. Kreskin) Or perhaps you purposely spinned the piece to take a cheap shot. Sort of like when someone wants to ... let's see ... how did you put it ...

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

promulgate knowingly false or deceptive information

I'd hate to see what you would have said about Obama's "average white person" statement. Whoo-buddy! I bet you'd rip him a new one for sure! I'm sure (just like you did with Bush's comments) that Barry Obama absolutely believes (literally) what he said applies to all average white people ... right?

Oh wait ... you support that guy. Pretty transparent.

Regarding the Obama quote that was in my signature ... ever hear of satire? Sort of like News Update on SNL. But the other two "quotes" by that famous minitwo guy are absolutely word-for-word. Better get that letter in the mail to SNL before they "promulgate knowingly false or deceptive information" again.

dc_dux · 05-14-2008, 07:05 PM

otto...I didnt deduce anything.

I simply offered my opinion that I thought it was an idiotic answer to a (stupid) question that ridicules the meaning of "sacrifice" to me....

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Q Mr. President, you haven't been golfing in recent years. Is that related to Iraq?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it really is. I don't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as -- to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.

Q Mr. President, was there a particular moment or incident that brought you to that decision, or how did you come to that?

THE PRESIDENT: No, I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad as a result of these murderers taking this good man's life. And I was playing golf -- I think I was in central Texas -- and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, it's just not worth it anymore to do.

...particularly since several months after he was informed of de Mello's death, he was playing golf:

This is the latest in a series of statements by Bush, the first lady and Vice President Cheney illustrating how far removed they are from the consequences of the decision to go to war -- and stay at war.

But giving up golf?

Not only is it a hollow, trivial sacrifice at best, Bush's story doesn't hold water. While he dates his decision to abjure golf to Aug. 19, 2003 -- the day a truck bomb in Baghdad killed U.N. special representative Sergio Vieira de Mello and more than a dozen others -- the Associated Press reported on Oct. 13, 2003, that he'd spent a "cool, breezy Columbus Day" playing "a round of golf with three long-time buddies.

..."On that outing, he was typically full of what passes for good humor at the White House. The AP reported: "'Fine looking crew you got there. Fine looking crew,' Bush joked to reporters. 'That's what we'd hope for presidential coverage. Only the best.'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...401929_pf.html

This is a guy who has spent more time on vacation than any recent president and has never attended a slain soldier's funeral.

so yeah, sounds like bullshit to me.

but, hey, you can disagree.

05-09-2008, 07:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
echo5delta Crazy Location: Swamp Lagoon, North Cackalacky	"That's pretty fucked up, dude." __________________ "Peace" is when nobody's shooting. A "Just Peace" is when we get what we want. - Bill Mauldin

05-09-2008, 07:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	strange http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-274 shows that only 21 voted no. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

05-09-2008, 07:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	what do you mean? I'm don't understand the roll call vote vs. voice vote. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

05-09-2008, 07:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	The first vote was a voice vote and everyone present voted yes (412-0, 21 not present/not voting) Then a Repub asked for a roll call vote and the second vote resulted (237-178) It was a procedural tactic by the Republicans with the intent of stalling the House from moving on to other more important business. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire

05-09-2008, 07:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	dc don't play stupid, you know whats going on __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

05-09-2008, 07:49 AM	#9 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	and people wonder why congress' rating is so fricking low __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

05-09-2008, 07:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
echo5delta Crazy Location: Swamp Lagoon, North Cackalacky	It's very comforting to know that not only was there a rationale behind this vote, but that it was a thoroughly valid one as well. (/disgust) __________________ "Peace" is when nobody's shooting. A "Just Peace" is when we get what we want. - Bill Mauldin

05-09-2008, 08:55 AM	#12 (permalink)
Hain has a plan Location: middle of Whywouldanyonebethere	Wow...I never realized how much my high school mock congress is like the Real Congress.. motions to dismiss at every chance, recalls, and rethink votes because people weren't ready. I got an A, I should be great material. //lame// __________________ ////\\// IRONSKY.NET \\//\\\\

05-09-2008, 09:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	pan...it was me, not host. And, the facts as I stated are correct. I know what it means to "Table a Motion to Reconsider". I dont think you do. The Washington Post does as well. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire Last edited by dc_dux; 05-09-2008 at 09:16 PM..

05-10-2008, 12:02 PM	#17 (permalink)
ottopilot let me be clear Location: Waddy Peytona	Here's the bottom line ... From now on, anyone that says "no" to their mom gets a big fat time out. And I mean it mister! don't look at me in that tone of voice __________________ "It rubs the lotion on Buffy, Jodi and Mr. French's skin" - Uncle Bill from Buffalo

05-14-2008, 11:28 AM	#18 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	New Republican message. Moms are good....golf is bad Q Mr. President, you haven’t been golfing in recent years. Is that related to Iraq? THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it really is. I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as — to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal. wtf? Thats one hell of a sacrifice and show of solidarity! He should take a mulligan on that idiotic comment. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire

05-14-2008, 03:48 PM	#22 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	The quote is a direct quote from Bush. THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it really is. I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as — to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal. Unlike your Obama quote, which was never said by Obama....the Bush quote is not a misrepresentation. It is from a WH transcript. The difference should be obvious. Out of context? Read the full interview of Bush. What context did I miss, other than not pasting in the full interview? __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire