09-14-2006, 10:19 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
Junkie
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A Diary of Electronic Voting
http://avi-rubin.blogspot.com/2006/0...rimary-06.html
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These machines seem so fragile and easy to manipulate. The government needs to put a lot more pressure on companies like diabold to produce working secure machines or face heavy fines (and i mean extreamly heavy). This is pretty scary especially since we are only 2 months away from the national elections when voter volume, curruption, and manipulation will be at their highest. |
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09-14-2006, 11:16 AM | #2 (permalink) |
Pissing in the cornflakes
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Vote fraud has been part of the American landscape since voting began. Being in chicago and knowning some of the politico types I have first hand stories of vote fraud, enough to change election out comes. Its an open secret that in 1960 Daley 'found' the votes needed to elect JFK (though obviously before my time).
So the question isn't are the new machine secure, but are they more secure than the methods in the past. Personally I think the first fraud will not be someone trying to fix an election with an electronic machine, but someone trying to make it look like it was fixed in order to cast doubt on an election. Rig a machine or two and then annonymously report it. Since the public is primed to turn against electronic machines, its not very far fetched. Of course if the potential for fraud with electronic voting scares you, just think if the online voting concept some are pushing for becomes a reality.
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09-14-2006, 11:21 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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i think it should be required that these machines print out a reciept which can be checked by the voter for validity and then is placed into a box of some sort before leaving the polls. This would allow audits to be performed.
another idea I was thinking is that when you place your vote a secret unique ID number is printed for you to take with you. After the election you can then go online and check that your vote was recieved and counted correctly. All votes would be placed online such that anyone could talley and calculate stats. Every vote is attached to a unique (per precinct) ID number. Thus the vote remains annoymous but every voter can verify the correctness of the vote. Last edited by Rekna; 09-14-2006 at 11:24 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
09-14-2006, 11:30 AM | #4 (permalink) | |
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I like the ID number, but if its truely annoymous it could have issues too. What do you do if the vote is 'wrong'?
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09-14-2006, 11:33 AM | #5 (permalink) |
Junkie
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There could be a means in which people could report their vote is wrong. If only a couple people report a problem it isn't a big deal. But if a large amount of people report it as wrong investigations can be lauched into why so many are wrong and corrective actions could be taken. What those actions would be would depend on what happend.
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09-14-2006, 12:42 PM | #6 (permalink) | |
Baltimoron
Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD
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There are a lot of people calling for the head of Linda Lamone (Administrator of the state Board of Elections) over this, and other major problems Tuesday.
The funny thing is that the Republican governer already tried to have her removed, but the Democratic-dominated assembly refused. (I point that out mainly because of all the press Diebold gets for supposedly having a positive effect towards President Bush's re-election, when problems can be ignored, or used, by anyone who wants to keep power.) From the same author... Quote:
One day there will be a major election that is overturned due to electronic fraud, whether it is local, state, or national. We need to do something to prevent it.
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09-14-2006, 12:53 PM | #7 (permalink) |
Rail Baron
Location: Tallyfla
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I know in leon county, fl we use scantron-like ballots. Use a sharpie to bubble in your vote and then feed it into the machine. The machine keeps an electronic count and the paper ballot is stored safely and available for a recount if needed. We were doing this when palm beach county and others were having "hanging chad" issues. The rest of the country should follow our model. Ion Sancho is the best supervisor of elections evar!!!!11!!!!!11!
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09-14-2006, 01:07 PM | #8 (permalink) | |
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09-14-2006, 10:23 PM | #9 (permalink) | |
Conspiracy Realist
Location: The Event Horizon
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While it would take considerably longer, I think the simple paper method with a police protected, public, televised, streamed counting by citizens is the purest method. The fact that 3 private companies are in control of the voting process is terrible.
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