NCB

More proof that some people just do not understand the meaning of class, dignity, and respect.

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NCB (see current avatar) = pot calling kettle black

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Cynthetiq

glass houses.... glass houses...

:shakes head:

and nice to use someone's memorial for their own personal swipes and gain.

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NCB

Not happy about this avatar either, eh Charlatan?

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Ustwo

Just don't threaten to cut his head off or anything, or perhaps burn down a embassy.

The democrats pulled the same type of shit at the Welstone memorial, didn't work well for them there either. The current democratic leadership may have no class, but the American public still does in some circles. I can only hope the democrats keep it up.

Ironicly if Carter would have had a set of stones back when he was president, much of this would have been avoided.

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SirLance

And I suppose no one mentioned that Mrs. King remained dedicated, dignified, and devoted even in the wake of published reports concerning her husband's infidelity. Sort of like one former president's wife who spoke at the funeral...

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ratbastid

That's an interesting assertion. What do you mean by that?

Charlatan

As you say, some don't know the meaning of dignity and respect... just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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Willravel

I dare you to be more vague....


I am against posturing at events that are meant to be somber and a time for reflection. The King funeral should be about the incredible effect the good doctor had on American society, not about partison posturing. I'd love to see another Dr. King type of social progressive with a clear message. Until one comes along, I'll remember Dr. King and all he did.

maestroxl

Actually, the Wellstone story has since been discredited. As for the funeral, beautiful, wish I could have been there. I bet Mrs. King was smiling somewhere.

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Sweetpea

i feel, this should have been a time to reflect on her life and personal accomplishments.

however, it's safe to say, politics cannot be checked at the door and rarely is restraint ever used when it should be.

sweetpea

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martinguerre

lemme get this straight.

a known progressive has a funeral. progressive/lefty things are said at this memorial. people are surprised.

Hunh?

As for carter's remarks...that King was targeted by secret wiretaps is a matter of record. We can't forget that the memory we claim to honor now was of a movement deeply targeted by our government from the highest levels as subversive.

The only thing i can't figure is why a fragile political figure would want to be at an iconoclast's funeral.

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Ustwo

Like hell. Had Republicans done this sort of thing at the Reagan funeral I would have been livid. Just because you have a microphone in front of your face doesn't mean you need to grandstand.

It was a complete lack of class.

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samcol

The Republicans are the kings of grandstanding. Look at where they held their RNC and not only that, every other word out of their mouths was terrorism, freedom, and 9/11 add infinitum.

Isn't it pretty sad though that the only place real opposition to Bush has to take place at a funeral? He's been such a reclusive president and when he does appear in public it's at venues where everything is already coreagraphed. I applaud the speakers who got their jabs in even though I don't agree with everything they said..

NCB

Whatever. How's Sharia law treating you guys up North?

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Charlatan

It's not. The Ontario government decided not to pursue the matter.

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irateplatypus

and what message would this person bear?

i don't think many are surprised, but that doesn't make it any less vile.

there is no carcass those vultures wouldn't pick clean.

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Mojo_PeiPei

What Wellstone story? You mean the one where his funeral turned into a democrat pep rally? Where the state govenor walked out? As a Minnesotan I remember it, it was pretty messed up.

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Ustwo

Umm I SAW it for gods sake. Discredited? How by a re-education camp?

Win for Paul, win for Paul!

And the boos when a Republican spoke were full of class and the warmth of human kindness.

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pocon1

nothing to say

martinguerre

I was there...and i'd like to know which republican spoke and was boo'd.

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maximusveritas

Let's see, who are the people complaining about this? The Republicans. Who are the people who tried to stand in MLK's way over 40 years ago? The Republicans (of course, many of them were Southern Democrats at the time). Who are the people who have employed a Southern Strategy to win almost every national election since then (when they weren't facing a Southern Democrat)? The Republicans.
As far as the complaints about it not being appropriate for a funeral, you need to understand that not every funeral has to be exactly the same. Funerals are often planned in order to celebrate the life of the person who died and thus reflect the way that person lived their life. I have no doubt that if Coretta Scott King and Martin Luther King Jr. happened to look down at this funeral from heaven, they would have been cheering on Jimmy Carter and Joseph Lowery with the rest of us.

docbungle

Why do all of your posts in politics stink of us vs them rhetoric? Do you really think this way? Republicans vs democrats is the only way to view things? Do you have these types of conversations in real life? I'm not being sarcastic; I really want to know. Why is it so easy for you to view such a huge part of the population as a simple sterotype? Does how people vote say everything you need to know about them?

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Willravel

I honestly couldn't tell you until the person comes along.

pan6467

Much ado about nothing.

If the worst "partisan" thing said at the funeral was what Carter said, and the GOP are all up in arms and crying foul..... then they need to get lives.

As said above: A left winged activist, who was very vocal against what she deemed wre wrongs in society and government, has people saying left winged ideals and speaking out against the President....... OMG that is a fucking outrage how dare people speak out. How dare people criticize the president at the funeral of an activist who spoke out against the president while she was alive.... Send them all to prison camps, they must be terrorist sympathizers also, obviously they are unpatriotic, using that pesky 1st Amendment at a funeral.

And I love these people who are crying foul here, let's see, since I have been on this board, I have been called:
rich white trash who knows nothing of prejudice, (yet they know nothing of my past)
I have been attacked with the author using my addiction, (VERY CLASS ACT THERE)
I have been told that someone would cut copy and paste a post (cutting and pasting only what they wanted to put out) onto another board with my e-mail addy,
I have had my intelligence questioned, my sanity questioned, my life threatened once,
Called a martyr because I spoke out about a personal health issue, where I said I wanted to do the right thing but was told it would be easier to quit my job to have my bills paid, (Class act again..... attack someone's health)
I have recieved hate e mails from people,
and I have someone on ignore that from some of his quotes in others posts, still feels the urge to attack me, sooo my opinion on that is he is seeking my attention,
and I have been called all kinds of nice classy things......
by those right, always polite never personally attacking Neo-Cons on this very board simply because I expressed my opinions..... some of whom are acting so upset about what was said at the funeral.

And yes, the outrage is an act to hopefully gain sympathy from the neutral voters. "Look how mean those Dems are."

Anyone know what Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter or so on has been saying about Mrs. King? Has it all been positive? Just a question. I would be curious to see how kind and the great things they've been saying about her.

So, I would say one needs to think how they treat others before they talk about how others treat and talk about other people.

What happened to "if you can't say something nice don't say it" or trying to be above the attacks and debating facts?

I'm no angel, in fact I will probably have to change this as it is a bit on the mean spirited side. But I'm tired of the hypocrasy and the BS and being attacked in the above fashions.

It is my and every single American citizens right to say whatever they want about the president and his policies. But to come in here and single people out and attack them using things they have talked about because they believe they have friends here, is bullshit and hitting below the belt.

Yes, I have attacked back, and no I am no angel, but I have been working hard to not attack others. I work hard trying to applaud and show me deep respect for those I have debated and we have been civil to each other and I truly learnt from them.

Aw well........ to the Righties that want to .... keep crying over how people talked about Bush at the funeral, then come on here and bully people, insult them, attack them, and play that you are above it all....... when everyone knows you're not.

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seretogis

Much ado about nothing.. unless a Republican did it.

I too saw the Wellstone memorial and it was nothing short of repulsive. Funerals/memorials are solemn events to remember the people who have passed, nothing more. Using it for political gain by turning it into a pep rally or putting words in their cold dead mouths is disgusting and should infuriate anyone of any political affiliation that has any sense of morality. The responses here clearly show another case of people looking the other way when someone of their political leaning does something this obscene.

I watched the Reagan funeral and heard much talk of America being a "shining city on a hill" which is something Reagan said on several occasions. Never did I see anyone claiming that X policy was right or that Reagan would have approved of Y or Z. A figure that is being memorialized should be powerful enough without having to stuff words in the mouth of a corpse to justify or rebuke current events.

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pan6467

BTW, what was said at the funeral is minor compared to what Limbaugh did HOURS after the London bombings last year.

He took the tragedy and went for 3 hours about how it was the Left's fault. NEVER once offering sincere or heartfelt sympathy for the loss of life and the injuries sustained.

I remember writing a post about it and how cheap Limbaugh was..... and amazingly, some of the people shocked and playing the hate card on what was said at the funeral, defended Limbaugh and argued he was right in doing what he did.....

Sad what this country has become, and even the best of us have fallen prey to the hatreds and partisanship and name calling. I know I have, and as much as I try not to, it comes out anyway.

What's sad is that in the hate, the partisanship, the "I'm right all the time and I will make no concessions" mentality and atmosphere that permeates and spreads like wildfire affecting even the meekest people in this country, is the fact that we are destroying not only ourselves, but our great country, our futures and our children.

Maybe we'll realize how far the hate has entered our lives and how dark we have become as a nation and turn back before we can't. I hope so, but I fear the divide is too great and the hatred, prejudices and attitudes are too deeply ingrained in ALL of us.

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seretogis

I don't see a parallel. Discussing an event -- no matter how ignorant, slanted, or flat-out-wrong a discussion -- in a place where that discussion is common-place, like a radio station or newspaper or television news show, is not the same as bringing that sort of speech into a funeral or memorial.

Using your logic, any discussion of any event of the Iraq war would be inappropriate.

That said, the country is indeed becoming a sad place. Though, I would say it is united in its division.

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maximusveritas

Wrong. This is the biggest error I think most people are making here.
What you've presented is just your idea of what a funeral should be. However, it is not the only definition. Quite often, when a man or woman has died after living a long and accomplished life, their loved ones choose to honor them with a joyous celebration of their life rather than a solemn memorial. Similarly, when someone has dedicated their life to improving the world we live in through political action, their loved ones will often choose to honor them by reminding everyone of what they accomplished and what remains to be accomplished.

The bottom line is that this is not our funeral. This was a funeral for Coretta Scott King and her loved ones. They chose to honor her this way and I respect their wishes. They knew her better than any of us did.

pan6467

First as for the difference of a funeral very vocal activist and a medium..... is not as great as you may say.

Both are avenues to speak out, both are public forums.

Mrs. King, much like her husband, fought and spoke out for what she believed in. I may not agree with the staging nor may I agree with what was said, BUT, perhaps respect for an activist at their funeral is not to calmly sit by and just remember her. But to stand up and carry on her beliefs and to speak out as she had on issues that she spoke out on.

There's a difference, at least to me. I don't speak out on the war and ignore the tragedies, nor dismiss them. It is one thing to speak out recognizing tragedy, it is another to use a forum to blame and ignore the tragedies.

And yes, there are those on BOTH sides that do this.



How are we united in our division? I don't see it, I see a nation torn apart and the divide becoming more and more harmful to all.

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Ustwo

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Ustwo

Now this reminded me of something, besides a lack of class the democrats have these days at funerals.

Many years ago I heard someone say that for the hard core leftist, their politics has replaced the traditional place in their lives religion holds for some people. She apparently wasn't a Christian but a 'known progressive' and as such this should not be used to celebrate her life but to advance others political agendas because they are also 'progressives'.

At least in the Reagan funeral they just slept and kep their mouths shut

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NCB

I'm sorry if I came off as complaining. After the disgust has worn off, I'm actually quite happy this happened. It was akin to the Wellstone memorial where America saw the Dems for what they were. Chalk this moment up as another reason(The eavesdropping on terrrorists is another biggie) why the Dems will lose this coming Nov

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dksuddeth

No matter what side of the political fence you may be on, had this happened at one of MY family members funerals, there'd be a serious beatdown coming. This was in the top 5 of the most disrespectful things I've ever seen the democrats do. Hell, you idiots made George Bush a shining example of courtesy, respect, and decency by acting like idiots when he was very solemn and respectful. Way to go there.

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roachboy

i wonder if this thread should be in the humor forum.
any time conservatives set themselves up as the taste police, it is bound to be funny.
this is no exception.
but i suppose folk on the right find it immensely gratifying to (1) be sanctimonious when they are in no position to do so (the reagan funeral was not political? what planet are you on?) particularly when (2) they get to indulge their old favorite, the clinton fixation.

and you know, folks, there are types of therapy that you could engage with that would help you with the clinton thing.
it is kinda pathological.

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Cynthetiq

that last part can be said for anyone that is fixated on a particular subject, person, or event, like 9/11, GWB, or even Karl Rove.

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But therapy is for fancy-pants libs...don't you know that?

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roachboy

you're right, stevo.

i'd have put one of the emoticons here, but i just cant quite make myself use them.

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ratbastid

Hey, Ustwo: you've been asked twice in this thread to expand on the "If Carter had had stones when he was president" comment. I was glad to see that I'm not the only one who doesn't know what the hell you were referring to.

You've either not noticed those requests, or you've ignored them. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that the Carter comment wasn't just a hit-and-run cheap shot. So, could you say more about what you meant?

dksuddeth

I would imagine that he is referring to Carters non-intervention in Iran during the throwover and US hostage taking.

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