02-08-2006, 10:44 AM | #41 (permalink) | |
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02-08-2006, 11:05 AM | #42 (permalink) | |
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Reagen caved to the terrorists. He gave them their frozen assets, immunity, and weapons. /end threadjack |
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02-08-2006, 11:21 AM | #43 (permalink) | |
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Carter does nothing effectual, Reagan wins, and the Iranians were scared shitless that he would invade and handed them over. Now we get to deal with a nuclear Iranian wack job of a government, a government that would not exsist if, Carter had the stones then.
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02-08-2006, 11:27 AM | #44 (permalink) | |
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02-08-2006, 11:32 AM | #45 (permalink) | |
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If Eisenhower and Churchill handn't overthrown the elected government of Mohammed Mossadegh and then propped up the Shah's subsequent brutal regime (all so they could keep oil money flowing into US and UK companies), there wouldn't have been eventual overthrow of the Shah by fundamentalist forces. Fundamentalist forces that took the US Embassy by strom and lead to the spread of fundamentalism, in general, in throughout the region. American policy has and continues to exacerbate the whole "issue of the Middle East". To quibble over who did what seems rather pointless. Pretty much the whole history of American involvment in the Middle East has been one giant fuck up.
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02-08-2006, 11:36 AM | #46 (permalink) |
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well, it only took til the second page before the disrespect at a funeral turned to political partisanship and blame laying.
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02-08-2006, 11:58 AM | #47 (permalink) | |
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As I stated before, the psuedo outrage by the Neo-cons was and is nothing more than grandstanding and an act at trying to play that they are better and have more class. As shown above, they attack anyone who dares hjave an opinion different than them and they will use someone's faults (addictions, illnesses, and so on) to try to bully, harrass and silence, because they can't win on issues. But I guess seeing how people aren't outraged that they use those forms of attacks it's ok to hurt people, but heaven forbid activists speak out at the funeral of an activist against the President. Yet, when it comes down to it, the only thing that truly bothered them at the funeral was that people spoke the truth against Bush. Again, I am waiting to hear how nonpartisan and how glowingly Coulter, Limbaugh, O'Reilly and so on spoke of Mrs. King the past few days. I'm sure they in no way shape or form used her death to make partisan grandstandings. Again, she was a political activist who spoke out, and as such perhaps people spoke out the way they believed she would have wanted them to.
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02-08-2006, 12:01 PM | #48 (permalink) | |
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02-08-2006, 12:03 PM | #49 (permalink) | |
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Man, Osama bin Laden is like Mastercard, but opposite. Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran... he's everywhere you DON'T want to be. I'm curious why I'm seeing statements like, "the deomcrats disgusted me..." "This is one of the worst things the democrats have done..." Which democrats? Reverend Lowery? Which senator is he? Meanwhile, I can't help notice that the fact that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were conciously NOT invited to the dais for this service seems to be ignored here by those up in arms about that democratic standard bearer and house minority whip, Rev. Lowery.
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02-08-2006, 12:09 PM | #50 (permalink) | |
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If the GOP is so secure that they can win on issues, then why lower themselves to the above personal attacks? Of course, issue wise there is the fact that in the budget wher the talk about median income it has fallen each year Bush has been president. But that's gotta be wrong doesn't it? I mean our economy is booming and there's the tax cuts that are making everyone's lives better, right? I mean just because the sales taxes, property taxes and other taxes have gone up making it more expensive on the poor, that's a non-issue the Dems couldn't possibly capitalize on?
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02-08-2006, 01:26 PM | #51 (permalink) | |
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I believe the LA Times gives a more complete description of the funeral as a whole. No mention of shaking heads on the part of 41 and 43. Rather, I think father and son were very gracious. There was also more pageantry than solemnity present. I agree with those that said this is much ado about nothing. Some folks just need to be angry.
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02-08-2006, 02:31 PM | #52 (permalink) | |
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02-09-2006, 10:42 PM | #54 (permalink) | |
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We celebrated his life...and he was a politician. A damn good one, and a passionate one. Why the people who never respected him in life showed up for his memorial is beyond me.
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02-10-2006, 09:39 PM | #56 (permalink) | |
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02-10-2006, 10:02 PM | #57 (permalink) | |
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I guess this thought isn't allowed in the 'group think' that dominates the left these days.
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02-11-2006, 09:40 AM | #58 (permalink) | ||
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02-12-2006, 07:16 AM | #59 (permalink) |
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I don't have a problem with what went on at her funeral. True, it wasn't the standard eulogy, but she wasn't a standard person.
The only reason this is a problem is because G.W. Bush and his Dad was there. If the same things had been said, and they weren't sitting 20 feet away, nobody would have had a problem. There is a thing called free speech, you might not always agree with what is being said, but censorship is much worse. |
02-12-2006, 10:49 AM | #60 (permalink) | |
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See the general discussion thread on Fred Phelps.
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02-12-2006, 11:00 AM | #61 (permalink) | |
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02-12-2006, 11:30 AM | #62 (permalink) | |
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The Right on this board are talking about how tasteless and without class the funeral was held, and yet they go out of their way to tarnish the image. If it wasn't about hatred and trying to get pity from the independants, and it was truly about class and taste and respect...... the above referenced post would have been started in a new thread. Again, I ask how have the right talking heads talked about the deceased this past week? Did they show her respect and talk about her with due dignity, or have they slammed her and the family legacy as shown above?
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02-13-2006, 08:46 PM | #63 (permalink) | |
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It was a memorial for a politician, one that we cared deeply about...it was about his public legacy, a poltical one. Why the hell should we have to "put away" the convictions of the deceased so that you feel welcome at a place you're clearly not invited to? I'm sorry, but it would be clearly asinine for me to think that i'd feel politically comfortable at the memorial of a staunch conservative. These are such crocodile tears.
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02-13-2006, 10:34 PM | #64 (permalink) | |
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If the political discussion at the memorial is fine with you, then you should have no objection to Phelps spouting that mantra at the funeral of a prominent gay person. As was said earlier, because you CAN say it doesn't mean you SHOULD. P.S. Bush couldn't win either way. Either he gets criticized for being at the funeral, or criticized for staying away.
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02-14-2006, 04:27 AM | #65 (permalink) | |
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This is not random polical speech! This is material and ideas being delivered by the loved ones of the passed, ideas that bear direct relevance to the memory of the departed. Do we really beleive in the sudden separation of political and politicians/social activists as soon as they shuffle loose the mortal coil? These comparisons are silly at best. I agree...he was in a no-win situation. That doesn't change anything...life is tough all over.
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02-15-2006, 11:22 PM | #66 (permalink) | |
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And please--ease off on the exaggeration. No one is trying to eliminate free speech. You act like we're asking for a permanent ban on expressing these ideas, when all that's being said is that reasonable standards of behavior/decency would be a good thing. It seems that with the Democrats, "reasonable" is too much to ask.
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05-25-2006, 12:10 PM | #68 (permalink) | |
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That said, if the law prevents people from peacefully demonstrating on public grounds and prohibiting speech, then yes, I am against it. In this particular case, they ban the protesters to 500 feet.... but do not ban the speech or demonstration..... but it is a very slippery slope and sets a nasty precedence. Regardless of how crass or IMHO wrong the demonstration or speech is, it is a person's right to say it. I served in the Navy to protect a person's right to say what he/she wants, regardless of how I feel about it. I look at it this way, you prohibit people protesting at funerals because someone is offended by WORDS. Then you prohibit people at schools, on the radio, in books, on television, in newspapers the right to speak out, because someone maybe offended, then you have to prohibit people from speaking out at all public places because someone maybe offended, and eventually, you get to the point where when a kid says something, he heard his parents say in the privacy of their own home, the thought police, the political correctness police, the school, childrens services and the government as a whole is investigating what was said in the privacy of one's home. Oh wait....... we already do all those things to some degree.
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 05-25-2006 at 12:15 PM.. |
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