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guy2003 · 07-30-2003, 01:04 PM

Yeah I see where the whole preaching the good news thing can be anoying, but it is a part of the religion. It is required of christians to go out and try to show none beilevers a path to the faith. I'd be pissed of if someone cam around and tried to press ther beliefes on my but I guess its just something you have to live with.

Meta · 07-30-2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by firefly
what about agnostics who believe that atheism and religion are BOTH for dumb people?

That just makes them jerks. =)

Peetster · 07-30-2003, 03:08 PM

There are a lot of thoughtful, well argued points on this thread. I appreciate the time these posters put into voicing their beliefs. This includes some short posts, which likely took much time to compose and structure in your mind. It is not the length of the post, but well thought out content.

Having said that, please keep the discussions civil. Religion is a topic that can get folks' danders up. We will not tolerate name calling or flames.

josobot · 07-30-2003, 06:13 PM

I like religious people who use it for self improvement and vanity control. Some people of all religions (to include Marxism, Socialism, God religions, and anti- God religions,etc...) merely use their belief as justification for feeling and acting superior. Nietzsche was right, it all boils down to power. How people make it a part of their life. Or how they try to disregard it.

Moonduck · 07-31-2003, 01:51 PM

The thing to remember, here and anywhere else religion is discussed, that there is a major difference between the faith and the organizations that support it or are supported by it. Belief in in Christianity and the Catholic Church are not the same. The Church may be guilty of all sorts of wackiness in your view, but the belief system in itself has done nothing.

Compare religion to race. Why is it okay to lump all Christians into the same pot, but it isn't okay to lump all Blacks/Hispanics/Asians/etc? Where is the difference? I know more than a few folks who call themeselves Christian (or one of the various attendant branches). They all act differently, have different agendas, differng intensity of faith, etc. Yet they are all tarred by the same brush if you listen to the standard atheist screed.

"and eventually the origin of all religions....Kabbalah"

Erm, I could be wrong. It's been a while since I left college, and I never studied Qaballah heavily, but I recall pre-Aryan fire-god worship in India predating pretty much every other religion by about a thousand years. As I said, I could be wrong....

Jesus Pimp · 08-01-2003, 09:40 AM

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[i]Originally posted by Moonduck

Compare religion to race. Why is it okay to lump all Christians into the same pot, but it isn't okay to lump all Blacks/Hispanics/Asians/etc? Where is the difference? I know more than a few folks who call themeselves Christian (or one of the various attendant branches). They all act differently, have different agendas, differng intensity of faith, etc. Yet they are all tarred by the same brush if you listen to the standard atheist screed.

That's a bad comparison. Christians want to take over the world and convert everyone to the same mindset. Blacks/Hispanics/Asians don't.

chavos · 08-01-2003, 10:21 AM

Jesus pimp is right...religion is a messy enough topic on its own. Adding racial poltics just seems like add gas to the fire. Maybe find a more constructive comparision to make your point, moonduck.

lumpenprole · 08-01-2003, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by asaris
You don't have to be Mormon, or even Christian to believe this. Can you answer this question for me -- How can an electrical signal be true? And rejecting your position here hardly entails dualism, and rejecting dualism (or even being a materialist about persons) hardly contradicts Christianity.

Well, I suppose it depends on your definition of truth, but in a way electrical signals can be more true than any words (including the word 'truth'). In fact the very fact that you could use a computer to enter that post proves it. Computers are based on the truth or untruth of electrical signals. When you type, your computer is doing seriously complex versions of:

true,true,untrue,true...etc.

I'm not saying this proves materialism, I'm just saying it doesn't disprove it, either.

07-30-2003, 01:04 PM	#41 (permalink)
guy2003 Banned Location: Tullahoma, TN	Yeah I see where the whole preaching the good news thing can be anoying, but it is a part of the religion. It is required of christians to go out and try to show none beilevers a path to the faith. I'd be pissed of if someone cam around and tried to press ther beliefes on my but I guess its just something you have to live with.

07-30-2003, 03:08 PM	#43 (permalink)
Peetster Right Now Location: Home	There are a lot of thoughtful, well argued points on this thread. I appreciate the time these posters put into voicing their beliefs. This includes some short posts, which likely took much time to compose and structure in your mind. It is not the length of the post, but well thought out content. Having said that, please keep the discussions civil. Religion is a topic that can get folks' danders up. We will not tolerate name calling or flames.

07-30-2003, 06:13 PM	#44 (permalink)
josobot Insane	I like religious people who use it for self improvement and vanity control. Some people of all religions (to include Marxism, Socialism, God religions, and anti- God religions,etc...) merely use their belief as justification for feeling and acting superior. Nietzsche was right, it all boils down to power. How people make it a part of their life. Or how they try to disregard it.

07-31-2003, 01:51 PM	#45 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	The thing to remember, here and anywhere else religion is discussed, that there is a major difference between the faith and the organizations that support it or are supported by it. Belief in in Christianity and the Catholic Church are not the same. The Church may be guilty of all sorts of wackiness in your view, but the belief system in itself has done nothing. Compare religion to race. Why is it okay to lump all Christians into the same pot, but it isn't okay to lump all Blacks/Hispanics/Asians/etc? Where is the difference? I know more than a few folks who call themeselves Christian (or one of the various attendant branches). They all act differently, have different agendas, differng intensity of faith, etc. Yet they are all tarred by the same brush if you listen to the standard atheist screed. "and eventually the origin of all religions....Kabbalah" Erm, I could be wrong. It's been a while since I left college, and I never studied Qaballah heavily, but I recall pre-Aryan fire-god worship in India predating pretty much every other religion by about a thousand years. As I said, I could be wrong....

08-01-2003, 10:21 AM	#47 (permalink)
chavos Banned Location: St. Paul, MN	Jesus pimp is right...religion is a messy enough topic on its own. Adding racial poltics just seems like add gas to the fire. Maybe find a more constructive comparision to make your point, moonduck.