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bem · 10-30-2008, 07:02 AM

These are some replies to questions about the above posts:
(originally asked by WhatsUpWithThis)

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Enlightening,.... NOT! Believe that non answer bull then I'm selling stock in the bridge to no-where too? Sumerian text goes back to 3350 - 4000 B.C.E. Cuniform Tablets and Cyllinder Seals. Add that up on your fascinating 10 digits, then state when Hebrew alphabet was "invented"?

Please don't confuse all writings with alphabetical texts.

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Sumarian writings state stories almost exact to what is in the bible too. Coincidence?

Please give me 100 stories that appear in both sources.
In my estimate, most "similarities" refer to Genesis, and not so much to the rest of the Hebrew Bible.

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The main differences seem to be how humans were created and where we are located in the Galaxy. The Hebrews say Heaven, Sumerians say Space men.

The Hebrew Bible never talks about "heaven" but about the "Garden of Eden", which in the text is ON EARTH, and from the same Earth, man was created in the story. Nothing at all do to with outer space, or with the skies and the clouds.

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2012 is coming my friend, We are passing through the Galactic Plain and the combination of gravity, solar flares, and asteroid bombardments, if they don't eliminate humans, will curtainly wreak havoc on earth for up to a year.

How can it be that we are getting closer and closer to the plain the milky way, and we don't notice it ?
Havoc on Earth for a year, is something humanity is known to survive.
Is there any proof to this ? I mean PROOF.
How does gravity change ? we're still in the same distance from the center of the galaxy anyway.
Why should we expect solar flares ?
I heard we should expect "more light" since the sun and the the galaxy-center will be in the same direction.
Well this happens to some extant every December (if I understood correctly), and Dec has the least amount of light anyway on the northern half of Earth.
And Asteroid Bombardments ? Are we actually going to be in 2012, in a place in the universe which is filled with asteroids ? Is it so hard to prove this scientifically ?
Most 2012-galactic claims, show some physical phenomenon is expecting us. Why is so hard to to prove any of it ?

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So now you can stop your counting lesson and who counts how and why. The allignment of the stars is what runs calendars.

No, what runs calenders, is the movement of the Earth around the Sun, and around itself, and also the movement of the moon, as seen from earth. All other stars/planets/constellations that appear in calenders somehow, have a lesser effect, and they are considered as "seen from Earth", and not with some other alignment considerations.

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Want to explain to the public WHY the Mayan Calendar was found a long time ago, studied, then re-buried without telling the public about it?

Not really.

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Seems pretty familiar that goes along with the story in the movie StarGate starring Kurt Russell and James Spader?

I see more similarities between the concept of STAR-GATE and 2012-Theories, than between STAR-GATE and why the Old Mayan Calender didn't reach the public eye some few hundred years ago (a lot of other calenders of other conquered cultures, where found, studied, and never reported to "the public")

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They then called in a Teacher familiar with Ancient Writings, Daniel Jackson(James Spader) to decypher it, figured it out, and got to use it.

So what's wrong with trying to decypher calenders with an ancient counting of ten fingers ?

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This is a crazy nightmare now though. We have conspiracy theorists and debunkers uniting to cause utter chaos on the net and making everyone look like a bunch of looney toons by posting daily videos. "I thinks this is what's gonna happen people, I swear it's true!" I LAUGH!

Yes, a lot of people are posting such remarks on my posts, either trying to say I'm a loon, or "this is what's gonna happen, this is the truth"
I also try to laugh about it.

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The Sumerians had written laws about Astronomy, Architecture, Agriculture, Education, Economics, Government, Health, Religion, [Still translating Sumerians tablets and cylinder seals at numerous colleges to see what else unfolds.]. Someone said that the Sumerians thought the Earth was disk shaped? What if a mistranslation happened and they said that our Galaxy was disk shaped?

Our galaxy IS disk shaped:
(and this is why you can talk about its "galactic plain")
Milky Way - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Barred spiral galaxy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Spiral galaxy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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How do you translate the galaxy into a word back then? Most likely through a picture in a cyllinder seal. Now the Center with triangles is not the sun, but it means center of our galaxy with black hole represented by triangles pointing in and out around a circle. Surrounding dots representing the planets, are the sun and planets! Now use your numerology to explain away.....

No, but I'll use body-parts !
Both the modern name for "the milkey way" and the word for "galaxy" are originated in Greek Mythology, and, according to the myth, the milky-way/galaxy is "caused" by milk coming out of the breast of the Queen of the Gods (in the middle of breastfeeding Hercules, I think)
In the Bible, there's one known event when someone is looking at the stars:
Abraham tries to count, and compares the image in his mind with the concept of "your seed"
(the Hebrew word for seed is the same as the Hebrew word for sperm)
Ancient Cultures usually viewed the creation of the world as caused by the body-parts of the gods.
The creation of Man is known to revolve around the operations of body-parts, of-course,
but also in many creation myths, we see the World is made with:
The sexual organ of the god/goddess/both (including womb)
The Children of the gods
The hands and spittle and other parts of the gods
Or as a direct result from the union between a male god and a female goddess (as in Hindu Tantra)
When we reach an Alphabetic-text as the bible, the world is seen as created with Speech.

See some pictures of the milky way, as a (spiral) disk, and as a "milky-way":

"milky way" - Google Image Search
Or just google "milky way" and look at the pictures.

Blue Electric Monkey

bem · 11-03-2008, 09:45 AM

Some more 911 stuff.
(Moderator: I don't think this is off-topic, but if you do, you can remove this one posting)

I published my theory in a 911-conspiracy-forum at abovetopsecret.com.

It was an active thread with many replies.
At one point the thread/theory was deleted, and they didn't allow me to save the postings, or see them, and I was also informed that they now think they have the copyrights about my postings...
I read a little about that site, and it seems they are both deleting a lot of threads without prior notice, and they also publish stuff about forum-postings.
This caused me to think there's a conspiracy behind this 911-conspiracy-forum, abovetopsecret.com, stealing information from their viewers/posters, and I wonder if this is a hoax, a scam, a misunderstanding, or just some bureaucracy issues.

This seems to be in accord with my theory, that 9/11-combos, are somehow related to human destruction, to some extant.

Anyone who knows anything about it is welcome to reply.

This is the correspondence of me with one of the Moderators of that forum (a.k.a. semperfortis):

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31-10-2008 at 02:22 AM
It was necessary to move a thread you created titled, All the Truth about 2012 which was originally posted in the 9/11 Conspiracies forum, to the Trash Bin forum. semperfortis has initiated this action, and included this message about it:

Your thread has been removed because it contained information already posted to ATS, or there may have been offensive content in your post.
Please review our Terms and Conditions:
AboveTopSecret.com: Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Politics, and Many Other "Alternative Topics"...
Or actions for for general abuse:
AboveTopSecret.com: Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Politics, and Many Other "Alternative Topics"...
These may help you understand why your thread was removed from the forum.

This U2U was automatically generated when your thread was moved, please contact semperfortis (by replying to this U2U) for additional information if you have any questions about why your thread was moved.
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31-10-2008 at 02:28 AM
It has come to the attention of the staff that a thread you authored was a "Copy and Paste" from a source that was not credited.
Abovetopsecret does not permit "Copy and Paste" posts or threads as per the Terms and Conditions that you agreed to on joining ATS.

1c.) Intellectual Property: You will not post any copyrighted material, material belonging to another person, material previously posted by you on another website nor link to any copyrighted material without providing proper attribution, as defined by The Owners, to its original source.

As a result your thread has been moved to the "Trash" bin
Please refrain from any more "Copy and Paste" either in starting a thread, or replying...

As always please U2U myself or any Staff Member with any questions or comments or simply use the "Complaint" feature.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

Semper
ATS Member and Moderator
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Mine:
31-10-2008 at 10:01 AM
Hey, what's going on ?
You just PMed me a few days ago about a picture, and now you moved my entire thread ?
If there's any problem with a post of mine it can be edited.
If there's any violation you can tell me before making actions.
This is an important thread, about many subjects that interest the viewers here, and this is about my original theory, not about some "copying".
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31-10-2008 at 12:42 PM
Dear Member:

This "is" in fact about a "Copy" and Paste"
Your thread was a "Copy and Paste" directly in violation of the Terms and Conditions that "you" agreed to on joining.

I was alerted to this by other staff members and the appropriate action was taken.

As always you may contact me or any staff by U2U or the complaint function.

Semper
ATS Member and Moderator
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Mine:
31-10-2008 at 07:07 PM
What do you mean copy and paste ?
These are my original postings, I didn't copy from anyone else.
And why are you so extreme ? it can be edited, and I can be given a notice.
Isn't the most important thing here, the interest of the topic and its discussion to the public ?
I was under the impression this site is about what's behind censorship.

I would like access to the removed thread, since I'm interested in saving the data, or is this also an "illegal" copy and paste ?
I also wish to state that all my ideas are copyrighted.
BEM
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1-11-2008 at 03:17 AM
Actually it WAS copied and pasted from all the many sites YOU have copied and pasted it to, even though it may be your original work.
Such as you may find here.
Blue Electric Monkey Google Results

I am sorry, but you may not have access to the trashed thread and as far as your copyright goes; please review this link:

Terms and Conditions

Specifically This Section:

3) Content Copyright: By posting on this message board, you relinquish all exclusive copyright privileges to the material you post and you grant The Owners non-exclusive rights to publish your posts in perpetuity in all forms. The Above Network, LLC has the authority to decide to display your postings or not, and modify your posts to remove offensive material, modify your post title to accurately reflect content, remove vulgar comments, remove insults or delete any other content deemed inappropriate, at our discretion.

As always you may contact me or any staff member via U2U or the
complaint feature should you have questions or comments about this.

Semper
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Mine:
1-11-2008 at 05:30 AM

Why can't I get access to the thread ?
Do you have something personal against me ?
Did I do anything to you ?

As far as copyrights go....
I didn't sign anything, and I made a usual forum entry, and I highly doubt that qualifies legally in any way, and I hereby state that this is also copyrighted elsewhere anyway, and prior, as is evident by your googling, and in no way did I or do I wave any rights about my ideas, and they are not yours to use in any way.
The condition part in your message, says that you may show my POSTED IDEAS, so no longer do I approve you to take credit for my ideas if so it was understood by you, and you seem to contradict yourself, saying you can show the contents of my postings, while they are not posted.
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Mine:
3-11-2008 at 02:09 PM
It has been 2 days since I sent you my last message and you didn't reply...

So I'll just say that:

1.
Our mutual correspondence is now copyrighted to me, and you can google about it, and see it might be also be copyrighted by other forums, and you can google about it more and more in the coming weeks.
And you can also google:
abovetopsecret.com scam/hoax/conspiracy
and more and more.
you can also google in the coming future about "the top secret behind abovetopsecret.com" and you might find some interesting info with this kind of googling as well.
2.
As an Israeli Jew I have no hesitation at all with "fighting a brutal fight" with anyone that might seem to be stealing my ideas.
3.
In our age of information, controlling the information is important to all, but it doesn't seem wise to pretend to have actual control. I can always publish whatever I want in whatever forum I want, and with whatever nickname I choose.
It is also nice to know that since I'm an Israeli, the laws of your country don't have any jurisdiction over me.

FYI.
(C) Blue Electric Monkey

11-03-2008, 09:45 AM	#42 (permalink)
bem Upright	Some more 911 stuff. (Moderator: I don't think this is off-topic, but if you do, you can remove this one posting) I published my theory in a 911-conspiracy-forum at abovetopsecret.com. It was an active thread with many replies. At one point the thread/theory was deleted, and they didn't allow me to save the postings, or see them, and I was also informed that they now think they have the copyrights about my postings... I read a little about that site, and it seems they are both deleting a lot of threads without prior notice, and they also publish stuff about forum-postings. This caused me to think there's a conspiracy behind this 911-conspiracy-forum, abovetopsecret.com, stealing information from their viewers/posters, and I wonder if this is a hoax, a scam, a misunderstanding, or just some bureaucracy issues. This seems to be in accord with my theory, that 9/11-combos, are somehow related to human destruction, to some extant. Anyone who knows anything about it is welcome to reply. This is the correspondence of me with one of the Moderators of that forum (a.k.a. semperfortis): ------------------------------ 31-10-2008 at 02:22 AM It was necessary to move a thread you created titled, All the Truth about 2012 which was originally posted in the 9/11 Conspiracies forum, to the Trash Bin forum. semperfortis has initiated this action, and included this message about it: Your thread has been removed because it contained information already posted to ATS, or there may have been offensive content in your post. Please review our Terms and Conditions: AboveTopSecret.com: Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Politics, and Many Other "Alternative Topics"... Or actions for for general abuse: AboveTopSecret.com: Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Politics, and Many Other "Alternative Topics"... These may help you understand why your thread was removed from the forum. This U2U was automatically generated when your thread was moved, please contact semperfortis (by replying to this U2U) for additional information if you have any questions about why your thread was moved. -------------------------------------- 31-10-2008 at 02:28 AM It has come to the attention of the staff that a thread you authored was a "Copy and Paste" from a source that was not credited. Abovetopsecret does not permit "Copy and Paste" posts or threads as per the Terms and Conditions that you agreed to on joining ATS. 1c.) Intellectual Property: You will not post any copyrighted material, material belonging to another person, material previously posted by you on another website nor link to any copyrighted material without providing proper attribution, as defined by The Owners, to its original source. As a result your thread has been moved to the "Trash" bin Please refrain from any more "Copy and Paste" either in starting a thread, or replying... As always please U2U myself or any Staff Member with any questions or comments or simply use the "Complaint" feature. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Semper ATS Member and Moderator ---------------------------------- Mine: 31-10-2008 at 10:01 AM Hey, what's going on ? You just PMed me a few days ago about a picture, and now you moved my entire thread ? If there's any problem with a post of mine it can be edited. If there's any violation you can tell me before making actions. This is an important thread, about many subjects that interest the viewers here, and this is about my original theory, not about some "copying". ------------------------------------------ 31-10-2008 at 12:42 PM Dear Member: This "is" in fact about a "Copy" and Paste" Your thread was a "Copy and Paste" directly in violation of the Terms and Conditions that "you" agreed to on joining. I was alerted to this by other staff members and the appropriate action was taken. As always you may contact me or any staff by U2U or the complaint function. Semper ATS Member and Moderator ---------------------------------------------- Mine: 31-10-2008 at 07:07 PM What do you mean copy and paste ? These are my original postings, I didn't copy from anyone else. And why are you so extreme ? it can be edited, and I can be given a notice. Isn't the most important thing here, the interest of the topic and its discussion to the public ? I was under the impression this site is about what's behind censorship. I would like access to the removed thread, since I'm interested in saving the data, or is this also an "illegal" copy and paste ? I also wish to state that all my ideas are copyrighted. BEM ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1-11-2008 at 03:17 AM Actually it WAS copied and pasted from all the many sites YOU have copied and pasted it to, even though it may be your original work. Such as you may find here. Blue Electric Monkey Google Results I am sorry, but you may not have access to the trashed thread and as far as your copyright goes; please review this link: Terms and Conditions Specifically This Section: 3) Content Copyright: By posting on this message board, you relinquish all exclusive copyright privileges to the material you post and you grant The Owners non-exclusive rights to publish your posts in perpetuity in all forms. The Above Network, LLC has the authority to decide to display your postings or not, and modify your posts to remove offensive material, modify your post title to accurately reflect content, remove vulgar comments, remove insults or delete any other content deemed inappropriate, at our discretion. As always you may contact me or any staff member via U2U or the complaint feature should you have questions or comments about this. Semper ATS Member and Moderator -------------------------------------------------- Mine: 1-11-2008 at 05:30 AM Why can't I get access to the thread ? Do you have something personal against me ? Did I do anything to you ? As far as copyrights go.... I didn't sign anything, and I made a usual forum entry, and I highly doubt that qualifies legally in any way, and I hereby state that this is also copyrighted elsewhere anyway, and prior, as is evident by your googling, and in no way did I or do I wave any rights about my ideas, and they are not yours to use in any way. The condition part in your message, says that you may show my POSTED IDEAS, so no longer do I approve you to take credit for my ideas if so it was understood by you, and you seem to contradict yourself, saying you can show the contents of my postings, while they are not posted. -------------------------------------------------- Mine: 3-11-2008 at 02:09 PM It has been 2 days since I sent you my last message and you didn't reply... So I'll just say that: 1. Our mutual correspondence is now copyrighted to me, and you can google about it, and see it might be also be copyrighted by other forums, and you can google about it more and more in the coming weeks. And you can also google: abovetopsecret.com scam/hoax/conspiracy and more and more. you can also google in the coming future about "the top secret behind abovetopsecret.com" and you might find some interesting info with this kind of googling as well. 2. As an Israeli Jew I have no hesitation at all with "fighting a brutal fight" with anyone that might seem to be stealing my ideas. 3. In our age of information, controlling the information is important to all, but it doesn't seem wise to pretend to have actual control. I can always publish whatever I want in whatever forum I want, and with whatever nickname I choose. It is also nice to know that since I'm an Israeli, the laws of your country don't have any jurisdiction over me. FYI. (C) Blue Electric Monkey Last edited by bem; 11-03-2008 at 10:07 AM..