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bem · 11-03-2008, 09:45 AM

Some more 911 stuff.
(Moderator: I don't think this is off-topic, but if you do, you can remove this one posting)

I published my theory in a 911-conspiracy-forum at abovetopsecret.com.

It was an active thread with many replies.
At one point the thread/theory was deleted, and they didn't allow me to save the postings, or see them, and I was also informed that they now think they have the copyrights about my postings...
I read a little about that site, and it seems they are both deleting a lot of threads without prior notice, and they also publish stuff about forum-postings.
This caused me to think there's a conspiracy behind this 911-conspiracy-forum, abovetopsecret.com, stealing information from their viewers/posters, and I wonder if this is a hoax, a scam, a misunderstanding, or just some bureaucracy issues.

This seems to be in accord with my theory, that 9/11-combos, are somehow related to human destruction, to some extant.

Anyone who knows anything about it is welcome to reply.

This is the correspondence of me with one of the Moderators of that forum (a.k.a. semperfortis):

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31-10-2008 at 02:22 AM
It was necessary to move a thread you created titled, All the Truth about 2012 which was originally posted in the 9/11 Conspiracies forum, to the Trash Bin forum. semperfortis has initiated this action, and included this message about it:

Your thread has been removed because it contained information already posted to ATS, or there may have been offensive content in your post.
Please review our Terms and Conditions:
AboveTopSecret.com: Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Politics, and Many Other "Alternative Topics"...
Or actions for for general abuse:
AboveTopSecret.com: Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Politics, and Many Other "Alternative Topics"...
These may help you understand why your thread was removed from the forum.

This U2U was automatically generated when your thread was moved, please contact semperfortis (by replying to this U2U) for additional information if you have any questions about why your thread was moved.
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31-10-2008 at 02:28 AM
It has come to the attention of the staff that a thread you authored was a "Copy and Paste" from a source that was not credited.
Abovetopsecret does not permit "Copy and Paste" posts or threads as per the Terms and Conditions that you agreed to on joining ATS.

1c.) Intellectual Property: You will not post any copyrighted material, material belonging to another person, material previously posted by you on another website nor link to any copyrighted material without providing proper attribution, as defined by The Owners, to its original source.

As a result your thread has been moved to the "Trash" bin
Please refrain from any more "Copy and Paste" either in starting a thread, or replying...

As always please U2U myself or any Staff Member with any questions or comments or simply use the "Complaint" feature.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

Semper
ATS Member and Moderator
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Mine:
31-10-2008 at 10:01 AM
Hey, what's going on ?
You just PMed me a few days ago about a picture, and now you moved my entire thread ?
If there's any problem with a post of mine it can be edited.
If there's any violation you can tell me before making actions.
This is an important thread, about many subjects that interest the viewers here, and this is about my original theory, not about some "copying".
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31-10-2008 at 12:42 PM
Dear Member:

This "is" in fact about a "Copy" and Paste"
Your thread was a "Copy and Paste" directly in violation of the Terms and Conditions that "you" agreed to on joining.

I was alerted to this by other staff members and the appropriate action was taken.

As always you may contact me or any staff by U2U or the complaint function.

Semper
ATS Member and Moderator
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Mine:
31-10-2008 at 07:07 PM
What do you mean copy and paste ?
These are my original postings, I didn't copy from anyone else.
And why are you so extreme ? it can be edited, and I can be given a notice.
Isn't the most important thing here, the interest of the topic and its discussion to the public ?
I was under the impression this site is about what's behind censorship.

I would like access to the removed thread, since I'm interested in saving the data, or is this also an "illegal" copy and paste ?
I also wish to state that all my ideas are copyrighted.
BEM
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1-11-2008 at 03:17 AM
Actually it WAS copied and pasted from all the many sites YOU have copied and pasted it to, even though it may be your original work.
Such as you may find here.
Blue Electric Monkey Google Results

I am sorry, but you may not have access to the trashed thread and as far as your copyright goes; please review this link:

Terms and Conditions

Specifically This Section:

3) Content Copyright: By posting on this message board, you relinquish all exclusive copyright privileges to the material you post and you grant The Owners non-exclusive rights to publish your posts in perpetuity in all forms. The Above Network, LLC has the authority to decide to display your postings or not, and modify your posts to remove offensive material, modify your post title to accurately reflect content, remove vulgar comments, remove insults or delete any other content deemed inappropriate, at our discretion.

As always you may contact me or any staff member via U2U or the
complaint feature should you have questions or comments about this.

Semper
ATS Member and Moderator
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Mine:
1-11-2008 at 05:30 AM

Why can't I get access to the thread ?
Do you have something personal against me ?
Did I do anything to you ?

As far as copyrights go....
I didn't sign anything, and I made a usual forum entry, and I highly doubt that qualifies legally in any way, and I hereby state that this is also copyrighted elsewhere anyway, and prior, as is evident by your googling, and in no way did I or do I wave any rights about my ideas, and they are not yours to use in any way.
The condition part in your message, says that you may show my POSTED IDEAS, so no longer do I approve you to take credit for my ideas if so it was understood by you, and you seem to contradict yourself, saying you can show the contents of my postings, while they are not posted.
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Mine:
3-11-2008 at 02:09 PM
It has been 2 days since I sent you my last message and you didn't reply...

So I'll just say that:

1.
Our mutual correspondence is now copyrighted to me, and you can google about it, and see it might be also be copyrighted by other forums, and you can google about it more and more in the coming weeks.
And you can also google:
abovetopsecret.com scam/hoax/conspiracy
and more and more.
you can also google in the coming future about "the top secret behind abovetopsecret.com" and you might find some interesting info with this kind of googling as well.
2.
As an Israeli Jew I have no hesitation at all with "fighting a brutal fight" with anyone that might seem to be stealing my ideas.
3.
In our age of information, controlling the information is important to all, but it doesn't seem wise to pretend to have actual control. I can always publish whatever I want in whatever forum I want, and with whatever nickname I choose.
It is also nice to know that since I'm an Israeli, the laws of your country don't have any jurisdiction over me.

FYI.
(C) Blue Electric Monkey

11-03-2008, 09:45 AM	#42 (permalink)
bem Upright	Some more 911 stuff. (Moderator: I don't think this is off-topic, but if you do, you can remove this one posting) I published my theory in a 911-conspiracy-forum at abovetopsecret.com. It was an active thread with many replies. At one point the thread/theory was deleted, and they didn't allow me to save the postings, or see them, and I was also informed that they now think they have the copyrights about my postings... I read a little about that site, and it seems they are both deleting a lot of threads without prior notice, and they also publish stuff about forum-postings. This caused me to think there's a conspiracy behind this 911-conspiracy-forum, abovetopsecret.com, stealing information from their viewers/posters, and I wonder if this is a hoax, a scam, a misunderstanding, or just some bureaucracy issues. This seems to be in accord with my theory, that 9/11-combos, are somehow related to human destruction, to some extant. Anyone who knows anything about it is welcome to reply. This is the correspondence of me with one of the Moderators of that forum (a.k.a. semperfortis): ------------------------------ 31-10-2008 at 02:22 AM It was necessary to move a thread you created titled, All the Truth about 2012 which was originally posted in the 9/11 Conspiracies forum, to the Trash Bin forum. semperfortis has initiated this action, and included this message about it: Your thread has been removed because it contained information already posted to ATS, or there may have been offensive content in your post. Please review our Terms and Conditions: AboveTopSecret.com: Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Politics, and Many Other "Alternative Topics"... Or actions for for general abuse: AboveTopSecret.com: Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Politics, and Many Other "Alternative Topics"... These may help you understand why your thread was removed from the forum. This U2U was automatically generated when your thread was moved, please contact semperfortis (by replying to this U2U) for additional information if you have any questions about why your thread was moved. -------------------------------------- 31-10-2008 at 02:28 AM It has come to the attention of the staff that a thread you authored was a "Copy and Paste" from a source that was not credited. Abovetopsecret does not permit "Copy and Paste" posts or threads as per the Terms and Conditions that you agreed to on joining ATS. 1c.) Intellectual Property: You will not post any copyrighted material, material belonging to another person, material previously posted by you on another website nor link to any copyrighted material without providing proper attribution, as defined by The Owners, to its original source. As a result your thread has been moved to the "Trash" bin Please refrain from any more "Copy and Paste" either in starting a thread, or replying... As always please U2U myself or any Staff Member with any questions or comments or simply use the "Complaint" feature. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Semper ATS Member and Moderator ---------------------------------- Mine: 31-10-2008 at 10:01 AM Hey, what's going on ? You just PMed me a few days ago about a picture, and now you moved my entire thread ? If there's any problem with a post of mine it can be edited. If there's any violation you can tell me before making actions. This is an important thread, about many subjects that interest the viewers here, and this is about my original theory, not about some "copying". ------------------------------------------ 31-10-2008 at 12:42 PM Dear Member: This "is" in fact about a "Copy" and Paste" Your thread was a "Copy and Paste" directly in violation of the Terms and Conditions that "you" agreed to on joining. I was alerted to this by other staff members and the appropriate action was taken. As always you may contact me or any staff by U2U or the complaint function. Semper ATS Member and Moderator ---------------------------------------------- Mine: 31-10-2008 at 07:07 PM What do you mean copy and paste ? These are my original postings, I didn't copy from anyone else. And why are you so extreme ? it can be edited, and I can be given a notice. Isn't the most important thing here, the interest of the topic and its discussion to the public ? I was under the impression this site is about what's behind censorship. I would like access to the removed thread, since I'm interested in saving the data, or is this also an "illegal" copy and paste ? I also wish to state that all my ideas are copyrighted. BEM ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1-11-2008 at 03:17 AM Actually it WAS copied and pasted from all the many sites YOU have copied and pasted it to, even though it may be your original work. Such as you may find here. Blue Electric Monkey Google Results I am sorry, but you may not have access to the trashed thread and as far as your copyright goes; please review this link: Terms and Conditions Specifically This Section: 3) Content Copyright: By posting on this message board, you relinquish all exclusive copyright privileges to the material you post and you grant The Owners non-exclusive rights to publish your posts in perpetuity in all forms. The Above Network, LLC has the authority to decide to display your postings or not, and modify your posts to remove offensive material, modify your post title to accurately reflect content, remove vulgar comments, remove insults or delete any other content deemed inappropriate, at our discretion. As always you may contact me or any staff member via U2U or the complaint feature should you have questions or comments about this. Semper ATS Member and Moderator -------------------------------------------------- Mine: 1-11-2008 at 05:30 AM Why can't I get access to the thread ? Do you have something personal against me ? Did I do anything to you ? As far as copyrights go.... I didn't sign anything, and I made a usual forum entry, and I highly doubt that qualifies legally in any way, and I hereby state that this is also copyrighted elsewhere anyway, and prior, as is evident by your googling, and in no way did I or do I wave any rights about my ideas, and they are not yours to use in any way. The condition part in your message, says that you may show my POSTED IDEAS, so no longer do I approve you to take credit for my ideas if so it was understood by you, and you seem to contradict yourself, saying you can show the contents of my postings, while they are not posted. -------------------------------------------------- Mine: 3-11-2008 at 02:09 PM It has been 2 days since I sent you my last message and you didn't reply... So I'll just say that: 1. Our mutual correspondence is now copyrighted to me, and you can google about it, and see it might be also be copyrighted by other forums, and you can google about it more and more in the coming weeks. And you can also google: abovetopsecret.com scam/hoax/conspiracy and more and more. you can also google in the coming future about "the top secret behind abovetopsecret.com" and you might find some interesting info with this kind of googling as well. 2. As an Israeli Jew I have no hesitation at all with "fighting a brutal fight" with anyone that might seem to be stealing my ideas. 3. In our age of information, controlling the information is important to all, but it doesn't seem wise to pretend to have actual control. I can always publish whatever I want in whatever forum I want, and with whatever nickname I choose. It is also nice to know that since I'm an Israeli, the laws of your country don't have any jurisdiction over me. FYI. (C) Blue Electric Monkey Last edited by bem; 11-03-2008 at 10:07 AM..