butch2290

Alright so ive heard alot about the "supposed" shit thats suppost to go down in 2012..
But if this was really to happen wouldnt we start seeing the beginnings of it? Is the evidence already among us?
The mayans where great at astrology and knew a great deal. Even if the world doesnt end then there will be a rare occurence when the earth is facing the center of the milky way wich only happens once every 26,000 years.
Continuing on lets say this where to happen? How would you folks spend your last minutes? Personally id probably try to have a party with my family to say Adios.
Lets say this 2012 doomsday prophecy happens..How do you guys believe/suppose it will happen. Personally i believe that if something is gonna take out all of mankind and start the beginning of the new age it would be a gamma ray burst. Nothing seems to be in the immediate danger to us as of right now and i dont think anything but something as sudden as that could wipe us out.
How id like it to go down, If i got to chose a way for it to happen id probably chose a rogue black hole to come in and suck it inside of it. Yes scientests have discovered black holes that are MOVING throught the universe.
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Even if nothing does happen in 2012 what do you guys suppose will eventually destroy mankind?

ironman

A lot of stuff will happen in 2012, and roughly 56,597,034 people will die that year, as does every year, so for them the world will end then, no reason to speculate if a prophecy will or won't come true (for sure it won't, maybe Mayans just got lazy and stopped counting on december 2012, or got out of writing stone, or they left it for other day, you know, so may possibilitites...). In the end what matters is living each day as if t was your last, enjoying each and everything as the end of the world in the year X matters less than the probability that you can die every day.

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Cynthetiq

Y2k signaled the death of all technology... many prepared for the mayhem.

yet everyone and everything survived with little problems.

Planes did not fall out of the sky.
Streetlights didn't stop functioning.
ATM machines didn't stop giving out money.
Banks didn't lose billions of dollars.

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DaveOrion

We (I) tried that already, didnt work out so well on this forum. http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...highlight=2012

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girldetective

I dont know anything about this.
I do not want to know anything about this.
If there is ever anything doomsdayish that I could help with I want to know that, otherwise its not in my range.

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Tully Mars

The worlds going to end at midnight on December 31st, 1999. No wait the worlds going to end on December 21st, 2112.

You know when the worlds going to end? When it ends. Until then keep on keeping on. And when it does end you won't have to worry about your mortgage, rent or gas prices anymore. "Always look on the bright side of life." (Whistle while you read that)

But I'll bet on December 22nd, 2112 someone's going to come up with a new end world date.

BTW- Most credible recent scholars think the Maya "long count" simply rolls over and starts anew on 12-21-2112. Much like an odometer in a car.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar

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Master_Shake

I will spend it like every other night, drinking and masturbating.

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Only a few days after the 2012 presidential election, the Antichrist Obama will have won and reveal his true nature, placing his mark on the right hand and forehead of all who supported him. This will begin the battle of armageddon and fulfill the prophecies of Christ and the Mayans.

butch2290

well first of all if obama is gonna win wouldnt the world end in 2008 when hes most likely gonna get elected? and also are you trying to keep a brotha down just because hes black lol

QuasiMondo

12/21/12 - The Great Disappointment where people will wake up and realize they have three shopping days left.

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Hain

@ Tully Mars: It's 21 Dec 2012.

I actually found this really neat lecture on the Mayan Long Count and what the end of that calendar meant. As it was stated, the Mayans believed in this over-consciousness of everything, and that is what they were keeping track of. As it happens, this consciousness is evolving, much as our universe had, more and more complex things are forming in it (first hydrogen turned to helium making stars, and then stars to planets, then our planet with life, with life to civilizations, from civilizations to coffee, from coffee to double shot cappuccinos, etc).

It claims that the Mayan Calendar was remarkably coincidental to point out the calendar started 14 billion years ago (around the same time as the universe) and consciousness was accelerated on every fifth "day" while terrible stuff happened on every fifth "night" of an era.

It was a neat presentation. Seeing the history of things and where they fell on the calendar was kinda breath taking. It had a new-age hippo undertone that it will not be the end of the world, but the end of our individual consciousness and we will become part of all things (think the omega point).

Just remind yourself that if it is the end of the world: apologize to the people you hate, tell the ones you love that you do, and then sit back and watch the fun.

For the record, I hope it ends, so no stock piling anything for me.

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Baraka_Guru

Personally, I think this date will mark a turning point for the better. This is cyclical. We are entering the low point in our spiritual evolution, and 2012 will mark a shift towards a better humanity.

This date doesn't necessarily mean apocalypse; it could mean our spiritual transformation--a new world order, which in itself would be a great shift.

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MSD

I dunno, I read it on a survivalist message board when people at another forum were trying to find the craziest/most racist gun nuts we could, and it was too hilarious to keep to myself.

edit: I have to watch what I say to new people, they might think I'm serious.

Pacifier

Which side of the sphere is "facing" the center of the milky way?

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Tully Mars

14 Billion? Almost everything I've read has the long count starting on August 11, 3114 BCE (Before the Common, Christian, or Current Era.)

I'm hoping it doesn't end, I'm having too much fun.

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DaveOrion

This may help, or not.

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StellaLuna

"Hippie"? Maybe? Although I love the idea of a new-age hippo. (And I love the Mayans and this calendar. The idea is also that things awaken/fall asleep, like magic or science. I guess we'll see. Bring on 2012.

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AKR

Curious.

I want to keep my individual consciousness. I don't like the idea of a hive-mind.

Anyone familiar with the Singularity, with respect to the development of a civilization? Technological development in a civilization is exponential, not linear, as each technology we develop helps develop the next much quicker. The singularity is the point at which the curve becomes almost vertical, and a civilization reaches total enlightenment almost instantly at that point. Most futurists attribute this change to the fusion between man and machine. A humans creativity and a machines processing ability together would be mindblowing.

One interesting thought was that as wireless technology began to develop, we would begin transmitting not just information ,but actual intelligence. Eventually, the airspace around us would become saturated with intelligence itself, and eventually, the universe itself would "wake up". Few futurists have even tried to comprehend the consequences of such a thing.

Its all in a book, "The Singularity is Near". I do not remember the author exactly, Ray K-something.

This whole 2012 thing reminds me of that.

As for Y2K, how did that Broken Saints quote go...

"How many software engineers got fat from Y2K? How many of us were siphoned off by the banks and the military, NDA's in hand, to tweak digits 'till the eleventh hour? We save their asses, and the news called it a 'non-event'. I slept until March after that 'non-event'."

If Obama was the anti-christ, I'd be laughing my ass off all the way through the 7 years tribulation. They'd have to put me on IV, and put me in the dedicated wing of hte hospital, that they isolated for victims of the Laughing Syndrome which has suddenly affected millions of the highly educated.

My bets are on Pope Benedict. Have you seen the guy? He looks almost exactly like Emperor Palpatine. Every time he speaks in public, I expect his voice to suddenly get really creepy, and for him to say "Execute Order 66." Thats when the previously-underground Civil Faith forces break down my door, along with the doors of millions of other professed atheists, Jews, and Muslims, and put one shot through my head.

They'd forget about everyone in the East.

DaveOrion

According to the Prophecy of the Popes apparently written by Saint Malachy, the final Pope will be Peter the Roman, who directly follows Pope Benedict.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

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Alta

And not just the Year 2000 fiasco. I am pretty sure that the end of world has been predicted before complete with groups fasting and praying. What about the Jupiter Effect, all those planets lined up? It did occur, as it had to do, but nothing happened on earth.

I recognize that much of what has been posted has been for humorous effect, but if anyone takes this seriously....

Also wanting to point out that demanding a proof that something won't happen is logical fallacy. A person can make any number of predictions and then demand that opponents prove they won't happen.

I predict that in 2012 a comet will knock the moon out of orbit, it will crash into the earth and destroy all life. Prove it won't happen. And etcetera.

Alta

DaveOrion

It should also be noted that the Bible Code enthusiasts made numerous predications in 2002-2003 about the Anti-Christ who they considered to be Cardinal Lustiger. They made these predications based on several different codes and a little numerology mixed in. He was on the list of potential candidates for Pope, but as we all know now he never became Pope. He died in 2007 at a clinic outside Paris after battling bone & lung cancer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Lustiger

All references to these prophecies have since been removed from this site. http://exodus2006.com/Whappen.htm

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Manuel Hong

I just saw a Toltec elder speak about this. I've been pretty much following the 2102 thing for years now. The Mayans never really claimed it would be the end of the world, it's marking a new era. A shift.
The Elder Tlakaelel (sp?) said that the earth changes are happening NOW, if you look around you'll see this is so.
The shift will bring about a new awareness, a consciousness, an awakening that will bring us closer together. More of a community, more compassion...if you look around you may also see that this is so. Of course, it is not so for many people. A lot of people have chosen a different reality.
(To briefly touch upon quantum mechanics, I will just mention here that we do indeed create our reality through our beliefs. nuf said there. lots written about this EVERYWHERE!!)
I have also heard some mention the possibility of reality being split- some continue to exist in fear (by their choice) while others exist in love (choice) and never the twain shall meet again (not choo-choo twain!). someone else suggested that perhaps there will be 3 realities, the third being a sort of pergatory...who knows...
In any case, the hype about doomsday is really just that, hype. I hold out hope that it will herald a new age of conscious awareness for the Earth and each other, finding balance and harmony to exist in peace and in alignment with the natural world.
Ah Ho!!
Heiyeya.
May it be so.

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MSD

That list is more tainted by confirmation bias than Nostradamus' prophecies. "Peter the Roman" will follow "The Olive Branch." To get Benedict from olive branch, you have to deduce that the olive branch is a symbol of the Order of the Benedictines, then make a leap of faith to say that he didn't actually mean that, he meant that the Pope would choose the name Benedict. That's pretty vague.

DaveOrion

The majority of prophecy ever written is completely vague & numerous interpretations result. Its not the prophecies themselves that interested me, its the fact that the list will soon be ending.

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Datalyss

Oh no! It is Eros and Space Godzilla! We must flee!

Hain

Yeah I did like how all the prophecies kinda end now...

I don't remember if it is still heading for us, but I have forward to that meteor in ... 2037 is it?

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Leto

The catch is that the Mayan's didn't predict Y2K. Peter De Yaeger did.

ring

A slight sideways shift yet topical perhaps.
Anyone familiar with Ken Carey's 'Starseed the The Third Millenium.'..?

I read it before I was influenced by the reviews.
I could taste the blended flavors of visceral earnest honesty,
overlayed with a tad of snake-oil tactics...I dunno.

I can perceive when a storm is coming long before it arrives,

Can't you?

Church

Ugh, everyone's just blowing a gasket because the Mayan calendar ends that year. I can imagine the scholar sitting down at the table making the calendar hundreds of years into the future and thinking to himself, "you know what? I think this is enough. Nobody possibly cares about anything beyond this far"

Thats my .02.

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DaveOrion

You may be thinking of the near-Earth asteroid Apophis, which has raised some concern & is due to return in 2029. The trajectory in 2029 is such that the earth may change its orbit enough that in 2036 & 2037 an impact is a remote possibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis

I dont think anyone here has blown a gasket, but other sites on the net definitely have. I tend take all of this with a grain of salt and have a "wait & see attitude." My initial contact with the Bible Codes was based on my interest in astronomy. I was checking some sites in 2002 regarding the close approach of Mars to Earth in 2003, when I came across a Bible Code site. I did follow some of the predictions for a few years but none came to pass, especially the Anti-Christ predictions which I previously stated. The Codes only seem to work in hindsight, much as Nostradamus's predictions. Its only after the event that a code or prediction can then be matched with it. When it comes to foresight the codes or Nostradamus just dont work. If the next Pope turns out to be the Antichrist then I will have been proven wrong. Time will tell.

My interest in the Galactic Alignment was also based on astronomy, but once again the net was filled with sites regarding this as the end of the world or a nexus of change, the beginning of a collective consciousness and such as that. I personally don't see any of that happening, but then again you never know. For a collective consciousness to take hold the vast majority of the population would have to believe in it, doubting nothing. That seems unlikely since most people nowadays would rather pay someone to believe for them, or simply believe nothing at all.

The world doesn't seem to be getting any better, overpopulation, nuclear proliferation, emerging viruses, antibiotic resistant bacteria, unstable governments, religious fanatics, etc, etc, all make me a bit pessimistic when it comes to the future. Throw in a few super volcanoes, a near earth asteroid or two, or a stray GRB and you realize how precarious life on Earth really is. I seriously doubt that our advanced technology will save us, hell thats one of the problems.

Even if an interpretation of Revelations is taken as truth, you'll see thats not the end of the world. A remnant would survive the tribulation,(and get to repopulate the Earth, wink, wink) followed by a 1000 years of peace. Only then would the battle of Armageddon take place, the final battle of good & evil. I think I have that chronology correct, perhaps Willravel or Abaya could verify this.

Anyhoo, I see I'm rambling again, the important thing is not to sit around and wait on the end of the world. If it does end in 2012 , hopefully I'll be doing something that brings me tons of Joy & Happiness. Then again, I could be taking a dump. Peace Out.

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Church

Yeah sorry, I didn't mean here, just in general. Its hard to go any extended period of time without people thinking that yet again, the apocalypse is coming. It gets quite tiresome.

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thespian86

That's a boldfaced lie; I still can't find my billion dollars.

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grumpyolddude

I had a friend who bought the whole "Y2K" hype, hook, line and sinker. He was so convinced that the worst would happen that he lost his ethical center and did bad things, thinking that he was doing what was needed to protect his family. When the world didn't go "Mad Max," all of his misdeeds caught up to him, and his life was ruined. He slithered away, and I haven't seen or heard from him since.

If this 2012 stuff gains any traction, I can envision more scenarios like his, the ultimate hubris of the survivalist mentality. I intend to keep my guard up and avoid those types.

And if there is some basis in reality? I only hope that the end comes in a blink, without an extended period of suffering for the masses. I plan on continuing to charge hard, like I'm gonna live forever!

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butch2290

damn..what kind of shit did he do?

huqdonphonix96

I think McCain is already openly stating his support for the 2012 as the end of an era.

Baraka_Guru

That's the answer to this riddle: McCain is America's Cromwell.

Fitting.

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grumpyolddude

He turned thief to acquire a bunch of materials to make himself feel secure. He stockpiled food, fuel, generators, weapons. He stole enough that he had to cash in the equity on the house he'd owned for close to 20 years to repay and keep his ass out of jail. He was damn lucky that his victims settled for restitution, rather than prosecution. This is just the part I have specific knowledge about.

Gullibility and fear can cause one to do some crazy things. l cringe every time some "fear-monger" starts making predictions about natural disasters, terrorist attacks or some other impending dire event. It's impossible to predict what message might trigger the survival instinct in an otherwise stable person.

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QuasiMondo

I often wonder why people seem to be held sway over doomsday prophecies. A part of me thinks it comes from the dissatisfaction of their existence in this world (not to be confused with having a disappointing life). When you think about it, life on this planet is pretty mundane. It's an endless cycle of life, death, war, peace, prosperity, and famine. To be sure there have been many advances made and anybody from 100 years ago would look at today's world in utter amazement, but in the end, it's all the same. We band together in tribal fashion (though we call them 'nations' now), fight over resources, and do what it takes to continue our collective existence as a tribe. Outside of this, nothing spectacular happens. This increasing pessimism drives us to desire a 'reset' button like on a video game, but unfortunately there will be no reset, no chance to start fresh, no rapture, no age of global enlightenment, just the disappointing realization that life is....and nothing more.

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Baraka_Guru

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