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Old 02-14-2006, 04:23 PM   #41 (permalink)
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hmmmmmmm this thread has taken off in a different manner than I thought it would.

I think it's pretty good that this jerk of a comedian stood up for himself and ran away when people were trying to rule his creativity. From what I have seen of Chapelle, I am not a fan, but I do agree with his actions. As crazy as it may seem, running away to Africa showed the people (whomever they were) that he wasn't going to put up with their crap and he'd rather do standup than make a few more million doing a high-stress TV show.

People are saying that his leaving is what is wrong with society today, that he's running away and ditching responsibility. I do not agree with your standpoint. AT ALL.

At times, society places so many restrictions on a person that they feel they have no jurisdiction in their own lives. Suicide is the only escape that many find. Chapelle had enough brains to run away from the stress to somepace where no one would recognize him or expect anything out of him. He took a vacation, a real vacation, and did his own thing. Connecting with yourself rather than the needs that others place upon you is the most essential part of life.

You are unable to make the kind of a difference you are supposed to make in the world if you are simply listening to everyone else's dream.

Good for Chapelle.

I hope that the narrow-minded fools that drove him to this extreme will take such a hiatus themselves.
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Old 02-15-2006, 01:21 PM   #42 (permalink)
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zero, you want to have it both ways. You lose credibility when you say one thing in one thread and the opposite in another. I suspect you simply do not like Chappelle's show and are scapegoating him - exactly what you deride others for doing a la video games. Sorry, but I'm calling bullshit on you.
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Old 02-15-2006, 10:27 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Thought maybe the owner could be found but all that turned up for that site was this:
Domain Name: CHAPPELLETHEORY.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS.WEBLINC.COM
Name Server: NS2.WEBLINC.COM
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 16-dec-2005
Creation Date: 06-oct-2005
Expiration Date: 06-oct-2006
And this:
Registrant:
WebLinc, LLC
340 North 12th Street
Suite 200
Philadelphia, PA 19107
US

Domain Name: CHAPPELLETHEORY.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
WebLinc, LLC dns@weblinc.com
340 North 12th Street
Suite 200
Philadelphia, PA 19107
US
215-925-1800 fax: 215-925-1999

Record expires on 06-Oct-2006.
Record created on 06-Oct-2005.
Database last updated on 20-Dec-2005 14:44:40 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.WEBLINC.COM 216.158.33.194
NS2.WEBLINC.COM 216.183.124.116

So at least it was probably NOT Chappelle writing that

How did you do that? I am always interested in learning new computer kung-fu.

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Coppertop my good friend. If you believe everything you see on television and especially what everyone says on tv then *sigh.

I did see inside the Actor's studio with chapelle. He did make himself sound like a decent forward progressing person who doesn't just care about money. Unfortunatly, he cannot take back the negative influence he has already set upon the viewing public. That is what I am talking about. One cannot just go and do wrong, then 4 years later come on one scripted interview and answer every question positively to save face against critics. The damage is already done. Do you think that the 12 year olds that have already watch his show and are already corrupted in one way or another from the skits watch the Actor's studio to see his half ass excuses?

He may be a comic genious. It does take some smarts to get a cable tv show to offer you 50 million dollars for 2 seasons worth of work. Sure, but does that make what he is doing responsible in bettering a society all in all? He doesn't even have to be responsible for bettering society. JUST STOP HURTING IT! I'm sorry, I just have higher standards for whom I consider a genious. Not just a genious in the sense of How-to make ones bank account deeper.
I do not consider Dave to be irrisposible, nor do i think he has had a negative impact. Quite the opposite, in fact. He is not perpetuating stereo-types as much as he is demanding they be re-examined.
All of the things he says are true. (If a bit rude.) The skit about how the white guy moves in with a family of blacks and then gets victimized is true in that MANY blacks are indeed victimized. by other blacks. (Look at the stats, blacks kill each other by the thousands.) Or it could be read to mean that he feels victimized by white culture. (Purely speculation, but it is important to realize it is his show, his perspective...etc.)

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Old 02-16-2006, 08:06 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I do not consider Dave to be irrisposible [sic], nor do i think he has had a negative impact. Quite the opposite, in fact. He is not perpetuating stereo-types as much as he is demanding they be re-examined.
This is the crux of the argument. There are people who believe that by joking about (usually through the use of) racist or ridiculous jokes/language, you perpetuate that language or behaviors. This argument allows people to deride Chapelle, Eminem, et al.. for being racist/sexist/etc.

However, I personally believe that closer examination reveals that their very USE of the language and slang in a silly or humorous manner lessens their use in a negative manner. I call this satire;

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Satire is a mode of challenging accepted notions by making them seem ridiculous. It usually occurs only in an age of crisis, when there exists no absolute uniformity but rather two sets of beliefs. Of the two sets of beliefs, one holds sufficient power to suppress open attacks on the established order, but not enough to suppress a veiled attack.
If Chapelle or Eminem stood on a soapbox and told us how ridiculous race-differences were and how we shouldn't beat and mock women, no one would listen. It's a sad part of humanity, but everyone would dismiss it as common knowledge without truly thinking about whether they upheld the principle. However, by offering it in satire, it's ridiculousness is unveiled -- without directly attacking it. While I'm not very familiar with Chappelle, I can offer many citations from Eminem's lyrics which were labelled "racist/sexist/bigoted" by politically correct persons (as above) which were quite the opposite under a satirical examination.

Like I said; some of you believe that even saying the word bitch or nigger perpetuates the word and the connotation of denigrating the two groups. That's fine. I think, however, that by using it in unique ways -- such as the borrowed "nigga" to mean a black compatriot-- it cheapens the use of "nigger". A racist calling you a "nigger" is drastically less offense if you call your friends "niggas" regularly. It forces the bigot/racist/sexist to come up with new ways of insulting you, rather than riling you with the same barbs repeatedly. Similarly, if you say "bitch please" regularly to your friends, an agitator attempting to rile you by saying "bitch please" has a nominal effect. These are poor examples, and I realize it's an unpopular belief (Oprah strongly disagrees with me), but I think this differentiation is the dividing line between people who support satire as a valid literary technique for political change, and those who don't. (And consequently, those who support Chappelle, Eminem, and other provacteurs as artists AND bastions of social change.)

Not to derail, or anything..
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Old 02-16-2006, 08:23 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Jinn, that wasn't a derail at all. That indeed is the crux of this difference of opinion on the content of Chappelle.

As sometime people can't see the forest for the trees, some people can't see the satire for the humour. I like to think of satirists as court jesters... they have the ability to say what needs to be said, but they do it in jest. There is always the risk that the Sovreign will not be amused and order an execution.
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Old 04-14-2006, 12:01 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Well here's the "truth"............ Interesting how "white people" own everything, yet with $50 MILLION more than I will ever see in this lifetime, Dave feels he couldn't express himself the way he wanted to. Hell, for that money he could produce his own DVD's afterward and say whatever he wanted to and see how well they sell.

Personally, once he plays the race card...... he's nothing but a racist fuck in my eyes, and I don't care if his career goes anywhere or not. It's not "personal vision", it's racist, hate filled propaganda he's spewing and there is not 1 excuse for it.

$50 MILLION and he wants to use the race card.... what a fucking racist asshole.

For $50 MILLION, I'm sure even a "black man" in "white owned" America can find a place to
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Chappelle: "Here's Why I Left..."
Thu Apr 13,10:51 AM ET

When Dave Chappelle walked away from a $50 million deal with Comedy Central last year, forcing the cancellation of the third season of Chappelle's Show, his fans, critics and, well, everybody, thought he was crazy. But the 32-year-old comedian had his reasons for turning his back on the show that turned "I'm Rick James, bitch!" into a household phrase.

And the Dave Chappelle's Block Party star (who obviously has been busy again lately) has elaborated on those reasons in the May issue of Esquire, which hits newsstands Saturday. Basically, Chappelle attributes his change of heart to cultural, professional and personal concerns.

"The bottom line was, white people own everything," Chappelle said, "and where can a black person go and be himself or say something that's familiar to him and not have to explain or apologize?"

Well, his loyal audience--those who made season two of Chappelle's Show the best-selling TV show on DVD of all time--probably thought that was what his side ache-inducing sketch show was for, but apparently Chappelle has other ideas about what constitutes creative freedom. Visit for more:

"I felt like I was really pressured to settle for something that I didn't necessarily feel like I wanted," he told Esquire. "The thing about show business is that, in a way, it forces dysfunctional relationships in people."

While a host of Hollywood celebs would probably agree, Chappelle's decision to turn down all that money and take a break from the biz just as his star was at its brightest puzzled those close to him and strangers alike.

But now that Chappelle has stepped back into the positive limelight with the critically acclaimed Block Party (which was actually shot shortly before he went underground), a fairly emotional appearance on Oprah and an Inside the Actors Studio interview (taped in December), his sabbatical has pretty much been explained away.

And Chappelle has been sticking to his publicly stated principles, making it perfectly clear that his relationship with Comedy Central would be in jeopardy if the network went ahead without his input and aired the handful of sketches he shot last year before unexpectedly leaving the country to chill out in South Africa.

One of the latest rumors being bandied about, per In Touch Weekly, is that Emmy-winning talk show host Wayne Brady will step into Chappelle's vacant hosting shoes to present the leftover sketches. Comedy Central stated after their wayward showman's Oprah visit that "the door is always open to him," but presumably every door has to close sometime.

As it stands, Chappelle hasn't made any definite decisions about whether the show will ever go on again with him onboard.

Meanwhile, Block Party, the Michael Gondry-directed documentary that chronicles Chappelle's staging in 2004 of a good-old-fashioned neighborhood shindig in Brooklyn, has grossed more than $11.7 million at the box office, an impressive showing considering the film was only available in 1,200 theaters nationwide and it cost $3 million to make. The movie features performances by your usual party guests--Kanye West, Mos Def, Erykah Badu and the like.

And, of course, Dave Chappelle is on the block, doing what he does best: telling jokes and entertaining the audience. Exactly what he told Esquire he was gonna keep on doing, so long as he calls the creative shots.
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Old 04-15-2006, 10:55 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Chapelle on Oprah.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020302967.html

I bought season one and season two of the Dave Chapelle show. Superbly funny comedy and spoofs of popular culture and inner city life. We will probably never know for sure the many reasons why he went to Africa, but I am amazed at the courage to return. He probably had an identity crisis. I think I might also if I did spoofs a lot and had to act funny all the time. Too much pressure for most people's shoulders.

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Old 04-15-2006, 11:17 AM   #48 (permalink)
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>>>Similarly, if you say "bitch please" regularly to your friends, an agitator attempting to rile you by saying "bitch please" has a nominal effect. These are poor examples, and I realize it's an unpopular belief (Oprah strongly disagrees with me)>>>

A lot it is tone of voice. I have said "bitch" to people in many different ways. It is always the emotional push behind the words. Citing lyrics and transcripts of a show is not enough. One must see the show and hear the tone. Comedy especially is hard to figure out sometimes.

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Old 04-15-2006, 11:32 AM   #49 (permalink)
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>>>Do you think that the 12 year olds that have already watch his show and are already corrupted in one way or another>>>

I wanted to add that the Chapelle show is rated TV-14, and again, all parents are at fault for letting a 12 year old watch the show without either watching it with them, or explaining what the show is. That said, 9pm might be too early for a show like Chapelle's but Dave Chapelle did not choose to put on at that time. Comedy Central would have to be taken to task for that issue. 10PM would be better. I also should point out that I live in a big city, so many people from the country might not "get" Dave's comedy show. I don't think people are "corrupted" by Chapelle's show. Every show influences people's idea of what humor is. I think most politicians are humors without intending to be. Every show I watch influences me in some way, but in the end, I make up my own mind about changing the channel if I don't like something. (^:

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[...] however, their actions could not stear Dave away from the comedy that was most natural to him [...]
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