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Coppertop · 12-19-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

You think the antichrist will be black? That's um an intersting opinion.

I think he meant black pope as in anti-pope, the opposite of what pope-ness is (or is supposed to be).

And I hardly think the book of revelations is meant to be taken literally, same with the rest of the bible. So I don't put much stock into the whole end of the world thing, unless we're talking about 2012, of course. But I am sure that has it's own thread here, somewhere...

DownwardSpiral · 12-21-2005, 11:56 PM

Before you read this know that I am dead serious --

I personally think the Antichrist is already on earth, and he is, in fact, a Peacemaker.

If you have read the fine piece of American literature by Bret Easton Ellis titled 'American Psycho' then you already know that the Antichrist is, shockingly enough the lead singer of the rock band U2.

That's right, his name is Bono.

Bono, the Devil, may seem like an all around good person now, but its all just a charade. This is what Bono, the Devil, wants us to think. Bono, the Devil, is simply waiting for his time to strike down upon the world with his wrath.

Bono, the Devil, will act as a peacemaker, doing all the good things of the world he does now. Bono, the Devil, is a master manipulator, and in turn, he will manipulate all of the fans of his music, or 'U2 fans' to his cause, by using the hit single 'Vertigo', which may seem to achieve something like world peace at first. But Bono, the Devil, has something more in mind.

Nobody quite knows what Bono, the Devil has in store for mankind, but when it's all said and done, when the smoke has cleared, Bono, the Devil, will have eaten all the souls of mankind.

flamingdog · 12-22-2005, 12:48 PM

I could see that actually. I bet he advocates one world government and a cashless society, as per the Bible.

Plus his band fucking stink.

CityOfAngels · 12-22-2005, 03:48 PM

They stink now, but they were pretty good for awhile.
I think the antichrist isn't a person, but rather an idea. That idea is pure capitolism.

GoldenOuroboros · 12-22-2005, 04:29 PM

Revelations is great

Almost as good as Proverbs ^_^ I unfortunately don't know much of the anti christ, but this has been an enlightening read that is for sure.

I know there is alot in Revelations still yet to come about, the passage posted by XeonBAMF was definetly interesting. Only thing to do is to wait and see

flamingdog · 12-22-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CityOfAngels

They stink now, but they were pretty good for awhile.
I think the antichrist isn't a person, but rather an idea. That idea is pure capitolism.

((Not to derail, just a quick aside.))

Well each to their own, I've never liked em.

Has anyone seen this interview with 'U2' (actually just Bono, with a couple of lines from the drummer)? Reading it, I could actually believe he was the anti-christ. I wonder if this guy could get his tongue further in?

Clickton McClicky

(Click for the rest - it's bloody long)

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In a world of their own

Who would have thought it? Twenty-five years on from his first encounter with U2, Paul Morley joins the band on tour in North America to discover the ways in which they're still rewriting rock's rule book

Sunday December 18, 2005

U2: 1

In a vast penthouse suite on top of a hotel that could be anywhere in the world overlooking a city that seems to shimmer out of an endless mist, Bono Vox (Latin for Good Singer, a nickname given to him by his new band mates in U2 back in the Dublin Seventies because it seemed to suit this cocky, stocky kid) serenely pads through a sitting room carved out of gold, mahogany and marble that is a shrill hybrid of Sir Elton John plush and Sir Mick Jagger ornate. He chuckles at the flamboyant surroundings that look a little vulnerable in the harsh yellow light of the day. 'It's the size of a small nation,' he unapologetically grins. A small nation having no problems with poverty. Baskets laden with fruits, chocolates, cheese and champagne are littered across the land. The champagne has been drunk, a few hours earlier, when the penthouse suite at night looked a little prouder. A denim jacket is slung over the back of a chair that Cher would wish to be draped over when she is buried. A badge pinned to the jacket's lapel announces: 'Horses changed my life.'

It's some approximation of midday the day after Bono has performed with U2 in this city located firmly inside the international 21st century. His dark glasses have yet to be put on, and his penetrating, mesmeric eyes are rubbed, pinched and scraped raw from the performance, on the back of all the other performances, and a late night, possibly the ten thousandth in his life, spent crammed inside a VIP area not the size of a small nation roped off in a local club. When he's in a city, as a visiting star with demotic political power and the unstable charisma of someone who cannot enter a room without wanting to add it to his collection of rooms that he owns, his immediate points of reference are: airport, hotel, venue, local nightclub, possibly the home of the local billionaire philanthropist or the office of an important politician, and the roads that join them up. The rest is filled in with his imagination.

ManWithAPlan · 12-25-2005, 10:26 AM

i don't think that 666 is the mark of the beast. as far as i'm concerned it's more likely to be a nation's flag. *cough*

squirrelyburt · 12-30-2005, 06:43 PM

They are trying to sell you the mark of the beast now......rfv chips that they are trying to put into your pets so you can find them when they are lost... They will sell it to us as a form of paying for things without having to have money. They are currently selling it to young adults in night clubs all over europe right now. They sell the clubbers on this and it is currently placed in thier upper arm. This way when you want a drink they just scan thier upper arm that has all thier financial info. Women especially love this they don't have to carry a purse. I truely believe this is how it will come about. They will be able to track your every move. They just scan your hand or forhead.

thingstodo · 01-05-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ObieX

They say he is supposed to come in the guise of a peacemaker. So chances are he'll unite the world in some way through peace, and people will think he is the real christ come again and follow him, or just think "hey this is a great guy" and do what he says or make him leader.

..and he may already be here oO0OOooo00OOO0o00ooOooOooo..

I guess that rules out Bush!

ManWithAPlan · 01-05-2006, 05:35 PM

you could say that bush is trying to gain peace, but if he has his way, there won't be so much left of the world to enjyo the peace...

bigTex · 01-10-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by vermin

According to at least one branch of Lutheranism, the office of the papacy is the anti-christ. Not any one pope in particular, but the whole idea of an earthly man claiming infallibility and other God-like attributes.

As someone who is a member of that branch, I can say I agree. The papacy has already once ruled all of Europe. They are still in charge of one of the largest religions in the world. It is the 5th great kingdom of the world as mentioned in the bible. I would go into more but I am tired.

Now IMO, I think that there will be one great war, one which will outdo anybefore it, and in the aftermath the pope at this time will use his speech to bring all nations together and form a true "world Goverment"

low_n_loud1 · 01-11-2006, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ganggreen

to be honest, i'm really looking for what christians have to say about this. but would welcome hearing from anyone. i know the bible says he will reign on earth for a time. but HOW exactly will he get everyone to take the mark of the beast? how will he manipulate the whole world into doing that? i have my own theories, but am curious as to what others think.

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I know you really want to hear from Christians about this, and it intrigues me that so many people take these beliefs so literally while calling others (the islamic faith for example) religious fanatics. Anyone who is so close to their reigion could be a fanatic in their own way it seems to me. We in the 'West' have the likes of Christianity ingrained in our cultures the same way as those in the 'East' (for arguments sake) have Islam. What really makes the two sets of religious followers different? They both believe the word of their 'One God' to be absolute. So.. what makes one Faith 'Right' over another??
What makes a Fundamentalist Christian a good Christian, while a Fundamentalist Muslim is a fanatic, or vice versa?
(in my own opinion, any label with the word 'Mentalist' in it paints a very unstable mental picture!

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how will he manipulate the whole world into doing that?

More importantly, that question is asked maybe in the wrong way..
How about "How will he manipulate the whole world, a very large part of which has absolutely no belief in Christianity at all?"

Or from another point of view, how would YOU react if there was a similar 'end of all our days' scenario which originated in a Faith you have no belief in?

How do you convince every other religion in the world (Islam, Buddhism, Shintoism etc) that the one you believe in just happens to have foretold the doom of the Human race?
If all the Religions in the world belive 'there is only one God' and it's theirs, who's right?

If future event were ever to unfold in a similar pattern to what's been discussed, isn't it more likely that the panic of related-faith religions and the general sensationalised media panic (especially in the US from what I've seen) will do a whole lot more damage to the Sheeple, sorry- Human Race that the events themselvses..?

squirrelyburt · 01-16-2006, 05:47 PM

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe as they have been called fanatics...Wether your Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, so on and so on. Why is it so hard to believe that Jesus couldn't have walked the earth several different times. Once as Buddha, once as Mohamad, once as Jesus and so on. They all have the same basic message. They each brought their followers to a higher place. So why is it so hard to believe that he may have come to this world several times. He is after all the Son of God. Maybe he came to teach us about himself and the creator. Each time he came it started out well, but then free will (politics) got involved and those who ran the religions put their own spin on things and left out crucial things. Things that would take us to a higher level of consciousness to be one with the creator. If they kept us relying on them they in turn became the Gods themselves. Rule by Fear not by love. They make us believe that our only way to god is thru them....Did you wonder why the Vatican has halls of records that we are not allowed to see. I believe they hide these things from us so that we don't realize God is always with us no matter what race or religion. You need not go thru clergy to have a relationship with God. You need only to ask for his ear.

Tachion · 01-18-2006, 10:19 AM

FYI from Wikipedia

---Contrary to a popular misconception and to the surprise of many Christians and Non-Christians alike, the actual words "Antichrist" or "Antichrists" themselves do not appear once at all in the entire text of the Book of Revelation (e.g. in relation to the Tribulation, Beast, Dragon, Whore of Babylon, False Prophet etc...), the Book of Daniel (e.g. in relation to the Abomination of Desolation or the Beasts / Empires) or Paul's passages on the "Man of Sin" in 2 Thessalonians 2. The words "Antichrist" or "Antichrists" are never used at all by Christ during his ministry including his discussion about the signs of the "End of the Age" in Matthew 24 and its parallels.
...

The words "Antichrist" and "Antichrists" appear only five times in the Bible - in two of the Apostle John's three letters in the New Testament, 1 John and 2 John:

...

Thought that was interesting...

silvertiger · 01-18-2006, 02:49 PM

If I were the antichrist (and has whatever mystical powers that are attributed to such a demi-god) the best route through today's world would be politics with a heavy religeous background. Many countries around the world already call the US hethons (sp?), and the US being generalyl christian have animocity toward the muslim religeons because we are thier target as well.

I would probably choose a middle eastern gouvernment that was tied into religeon, and build an empire that could not be reasoned with, or stood against using the verbal prowess that was shown in WWII, the financial prowess that comes from the resources int he region, and the backing of the entire muslim community for the cause of the final Jihad that would cleanse the planet of the infidels once and for all. Vidtory in the Name of peace, with the promise of deliverance from milennia of persecution.

basically .. pick an underdog and rally the rest of the world to a banner that would overthrow the supoerpowers and put the world into chaos, at that point the little bystanders would join in .. and then you could introduce doctrine and religeous beliefs on a whim as the masses will be ready to listen to a strong leader amidst the turmoil.

Mind you.. that's just off the top of my head .. and almost sounds novelesque, but I believe that it would be possible, feesible, and would accomplish many goals at once for any prosective antichrist.

arnie · 01-29-2006, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sub zero

Well I might be able to chime in, especially depending on which ex girlfriend, some might say I am the anti christ...
In all seriousness though I think it will happen economicallly. You will have the formation of a world government, something like the United Nations but with more concrete power. Once they are stabalized they will begin to consolidate power by offering to solve several of the world's problems, specifically hunger and poverty. How can they solve that you may ask, be alotting everyone in the world a specific amount of currency to buy neccesary items. Well how can they grant different currency world wide, by making one world wide currency. After this occurs we have to keep track of who spends how much, how else to do that than to create a world ID. Of course no one gets anything for free so to get access to this money you have to be in a nation that will accept to give up its currency for the world currency. Any nations that hold out will be seen as bad and an enemy of the world.
With sanctions those last nations will eventually give up and join the world nation with their world currency. Some years for sake of convience all money will become electronic and eventually be offered as a credit card or even a computer chip installed on your hand.
I know kinda wierd but this really sounds like the most plausible to me at least.

SUBZERO are you talking about "The New World Order" and "Micro Dot" theory ?

Willravel · 01-29-2006, 09:12 AM

The Omen

This should answer everyone's questions pretty nicely. I'll definately be seeing this one.

jeenyus_ones · 02-05-2006, 05:47 PM

Ever seen the movie "The Devils Advocate" ? Well in that movie the anti-christ was supposed to be born and persue the area of law. The reason is so he/she could make all the criminals standing trial be found innocent until the streets would be filled with murderes/rapists etc.

jeenyus_ones · 02-05-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by squirrelyburt

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe as they have been called fanatics...Wether your Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, so on and so on. Why is it so hard to believe that Jesus couldn't have walked the earth several different times. Once as Buddha, once as Mohamad, once as Jesus and so on. They all have the same basic message. They each brought their followers to a higher place. So why is it so hard to believe that he may have come to this world several times. He is after all the Son of God. Maybe he came to teach us about himself and the creator. Each time he came it started out well, but then free will (politics) got involved and those who ran the religions put their own spin on things and left out crucial things. Things that would take us to a higher level of consciousness to be one with the creator. If they kept us relying on them they in turn became the Gods themselves. Rule by Fear not by love. They make us believe that our only way to god is thru them....Did you wonder why the Vatican has halls of records that we are not allowed to see. I believe they hide these things from us so that we don't realize God is always with us no matter what race or religion. You need not go thru clergy to have a relationship with God. You need only to ask for his ear.

It is so hard to beleive Jesus walked the earth as Buddha, Mohammed etc because the Christian faith is based on worshipping ONE and only ONE God.

12-21-2005, 11:56 PM	#42 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	Before you read this know that I am dead serious -- I personally think the Antichrist is already on earth, and he is, in fact, a Peacemaker. If you have read the fine piece of American literature by Bret Easton Ellis titled 'American Psycho' then you already know that the Antichrist is, shockingly enough the lead singer of the rock band U2. That's right, his name is Bono. Bono, the Devil, may seem like an all around good person now, but its all just a charade. This is what Bono, the Devil, wants us to think. Bono, the Devil, is simply waiting for his time to strike down upon the world with his wrath. Bono, the Devil, will act as a peacemaker, doing all the good things of the world he does now. Bono, the Devil, is a master manipulator, and in turn, he will manipulate all of the fans of his music, or 'U2 fans' to his cause, by using the hit single 'Vertigo', which may seem to achieve something like world peace at first. But Bono, the Devil, has something more in mind. Nobody quite knows what Bono, the Devil has in store for mankind, but when it's all said and done, when the smoke has cleared, Bono, the Devil, will have eaten all the souls of mankind. __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending" Last edited by DownwardSpiral; 12-22-2005 at 12:03 AM..

12-22-2005, 04:29 PM	#45 (permalink)
GoldenOuroboros The Cheshire Grin... Location: An Aussie Outback	Revelations is great Almost as good as Proverbs ^_^ I unfortunately don't know much of the anti christ, but this has been an enlightening read that is for sure. I know there is alot in Revelations still yet to come about, the passage posted by XeonBAMF was definetly interesting. Only thing to do is to wait and see __________________ Can you see me grin grin grrriiiiinnnning?!

12-25-2005, 10:26 AM	#47 (permalink)
ManWithAPlan Addict Location: M[ass]achusetts	i don't think that 666 is the mark of the beast. as far as i'm concerned it's more likely to be a nation's flag. cough __________________ In the end we are but wisps

12-30-2005, 06:43 PM	#48 (permalink)
squirrelyburt Crazy Location: Central Wisconsin	mark of the beast They are trying to sell you the mark of the beast now......rfv chips that they are trying to put into your pets so you can find them when they are lost... They will sell it to us as a form of paying for things without having to have money. They are currently selling it to young adults in night clubs all over europe right now. They sell the clubbers on this and it is currently placed in thier upper arm. This way when you want a drink they just scan thier upper arm that has all thier financial info. Women especially love this they don't have to carry a purse. I truely believe this is how it will come about. They will be able to track your every move. They just scan your hand or forhead. __________________ If you've ever felt there was a reason to be afraid of the dark, you were right.

01-05-2006, 05:35 PM	#50 (permalink)
ManWithAPlan Addict Location: M[ass]achusetts	you could say that bush is trying to gain peace, but if he has his way, there won't be so much left of the world to enjyo the peace... __________________ In the end we are but wisps

12-22-2005, 12:48 PM	#43 (permalink)
flamingdog Still fighting it.	I could see that actually. I bet he advocates one world government and a cashless society, as per the Bible. Plus his band fucking stink.

12-22-2005, 03:48 PM	#44 (permalink)
CityOfAngels Oh shit it's Wayne Brady! Location: Passenger seat of Wayne Brady's car.	They stink now, but they were pretty good for awhile. I think the antichrist isn't a person, but rather an idea. That idea is pure capitolism.

01-16-2006, 05:47 PM	#53 (permalink)
squirrelyburt Crazy Location: Central Wisconsin	enlightened soul Why is it so hard to believe that maybe as they have been called fanatics...Wether your Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, so on and so on. Why is it so hard to believe that Jesus couldn't have walked the earth several different times. Once as Buddha, once as Mohamad, once as Jesus and so on. They all have the same basic message. They each brought their followers to a higher place. So why is it so hard to believe that he may have come to this world several times. He is after all the Son of God. Maybe he came to teach us about himself and the creator. Each time he came it started out well, but then free will (politics) got involved and those who ran the religions put their own spin on things and left out crucial things. Things that would take us to a higher level of consciousness to be one with the creator. If they kept us relying on them they in turn became the Gods themselves. Rule by Fear not by love. They make us believe that our only way to god is thru them....Did you wonder why the Vatican has halls of records that we are not allowed to see. I believe they hide these things from us so that we don't realize God is always with us no matter what race or religion. You need not go thru clergy to have a relationship with God. You need only to ask for his ear. __________________ If you've ever felt there was a reason to be afraid of the dark, you were right.

01-18-2006, 10:19 AM	#54 (permalink)
Tachion Crazy	FYI from Wikipedia ---Contrary to a popular misconception and to the surprise of many Christians and Non-Christians alike, the actual words "Antichrist" or "Antichrists" themselves do not appear once at all in the entire text of the Book of Revelation (e.g. in relation to the Tribulation, Beast, Dragon, Whore of Babylon, False Prophet etc...), the Book of Daniel (e.g. in relation to the Abomination of Desolation or the Beasts / Empires) or Paul's passages on the "Man of Sin" in 2 Thessalonians 2. The words "Antichrist" or "Antichrists" are never used at all by Christ during his ministry including his discussion about the signs of the "End of the Age" in Matthew 24 and its parallels. ... The words "Antichrist" and "Antichrists" appear only five times in the Bible - in two of the Apostle John's three letters in the New Testament, 1 John and 2 John: ... Thought that was interesting...

01-18-2006, 02:49 PM	#55 (permalink)
silvertiger Tilted Location: Denver	How would I do it? If I were the antichrist (and has whatever mystical powers that are attributed to such a demi-god) the best route through today's world would be politics with a heavy religeous background. Many countries around the world already call the US hethons (sp?), and the US being generalyl christian have animocity toward the muslim religeons because we are thier target as well. I would probably choose a middle eastern gouvernment that was tied into religeon, and build an empire that could not be reasoned with, or stood against using the verbal prowess that was shown in WWII, the financial prowess that comes from the resources int he region, and the backing of the entire muslim community for the cause of the final Jihad that would cleanse the planet of the infidels once and for all. Vidtory in the Name of peace, with the promise of deliverance from milennia of persecution. basically .. pick an underdog and rally the rest of the world to a banner that would overthrow the supoerpowers and put the world into chaos, at that point the little bystanders would join in .. and then you could introduce doctrine and religeous beliefs on a whim as the masses will be ready to listen to a strong leader amidst the turmoil. Mind you.. that's just off the top of my head .. and almost sounds novelesque, but I believe that it would be possible, feesible, and would accomplish many goals at once for any prosective antichrist.

01-29-2006, 09:12 AM	#57 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	The Omen This should answer everyone's questions pretty nicely. I'll definately be seeing this one.

02-05-2006, 05:47 PM	#58 (permalink)
jeenyus_ones Upright	Ever seen the movie "The Devils Advocate" ? Well in that movie the anti-christ was supposed to be born and persue the area of law. The reason is so he/she could make all the criminals standing trial be found innocent until the streets would be filled with murderes/rapists etc.