RonRyan85

A few summers ago, I could see multi engine aircraft spraying or
leaving a "Contrail" like trail in the sky,usually in the morning.
Once it seemed there were a few trails that seemed to come
down low to the ground fairly fast and not hang in the sky high
up like jet trails usually do. Some people claim this is the Government
experimenting in Weather control, anti-germ warfare or part of
the Military experiment called "HAARP" : high frequency radio
waves beamed into the upper atmosphere to control weather,
communicate with submarines or confuse any alien enemy?
I have heard that some researchers have found metalic particles in such
Chem trails and others swear they have seen the transport planes
equipped to spray in hangers on the ground at various airports.

What do you think about CHEM TRAILS?

Hain

Weather control has been around for sometime, just not like you think or what I wish it were. HAARP has been around for a while and I read that it's main purpse was to create a more stable form of communication via the ionosphere.. but I read that almost 5 years ago. If there are metallic particles THAT IS BAD. If you have a link to someplace that I can somewhat believe says that such particles exist post it. I am studying chemistry and if anything I might make some sence with my general knowledge of stuff.

Sorry but aliens probably haven't been coming around. Sure I think they are out there but there are only so many possibilities:
1- if they are here, relativity kept them from getting here quickly, and obviously came here with a purpose.
a - If that purpose was good then they wouldn't have been so unclear about their existence.
b - if their intent wasn't so friendly... then we are fucked, BUT they would have attacked awhile ago since they are capable of instellar flight and dont have much to worry about our nuclear armament since they must have either antimatter reactors, fusion ramjects, or can carry a SMALL star to power them here... anything will take us out.
2 - they have faster than light flight (which I highly doubt) then we are still fucked and they can dick with us all they like because they don't need purpose with FTLF since they could be home in time to catch re-runs of the Andy Griffith show.

EDIT: Yeah Metallica Particles would be bad ;-) Thanks Nicky. Bet you can guess to what I was listening to when I posted it.

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nickynicole

Metallica particles? That IS terrible!

Hain

No joke, ever eat paint chips? Drink water with too much lead or iron in it?
Heavy metal posioning has some rather nasty effects.

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bond007

well, if you want an entirely different take on the contrails/chemtrails issue... try this link:
http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/solar.html

kurtisj

i've never heard of this kind of stuff, it sounds interesting though.
What are the chance that it would be security against germ warfare?

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squirrelyburt

I work overnites, listen to George Norrie from time to time. I'm not too sold on the weather change thing, but it sure makes you think. to add a quote from another ''Guns don't kill people. The government does.''

iamnormal

chaff:
Strips of metal, foil, or glass fiber with a metal content, cut into various lengths and having varying frequency responses, that are used to reflect electromagnetic energy as a radar countermeasure. These materials, usually dropped from aircraft, also can be deployed from shells or rockets.

http://www.dynomat.com/
Historical Milestone Timeline:

June 4, 2002 * Melbourne, FL: Dyn-O-Mat Inc.’s team of experts continues their mission of significantly reducing the destructive power of hurricanes.
July 19, 2001 * West Palm Beach, FL: Using a Canaberra, Dyn-O-Mat became the first people ever take a cloud off of Doppler radar.
For the last 2 years extensive field-testing has been taking place. Including: cutting a cloud in half using a crop duster.
For the last 3 years the Dyn-O-Mat team has been doing extensive laboratory research.

Benji

lol Augi, I wonder.

Janey

I always understood these contrails as being the primary vector for West Nile disease. The only way to explain the pervasisive, quick and persistant spread of this disease...

drakers

I think it is a little paranoid to think that the government is experimenting on our own civilians; I just hope they have learned their lessons from their past experimenting.

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shakran

this must be the 40th thread I've seen in here on this subject. There's no such thing as chem trails. It's a stupid theory dreamed up by people who desperately want a dark conspiracy to be afraid of.

If you want to dispense poison or mind control agents to a population, you do it in the water supply. You do not spray the agents at 40,000 feet and hope they don't break down before they drift to the surface. Only supervillians in the comic books have stupid schemes like that.

Fourtyrulz

Heavy Metal Poisoning!!!!
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....yeah that's all I've got

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Janey

or are they? That's what they would like you to think....

shakran

I'm going to assume you're joking

FWIW I've been in an airline's maintenance hanger a number of times, have crawled all over stripped jets ranging from DC-9's to 747's, and have never seen ANYTHING to indicate a controlled substance spray system.

Church

Yes, I too believe this theory. During the summer, I have to leave early for work, and I get debris from this crap on my windshield every time they spray. I'll try and get some pictures of it this summer for you all to see. Its not noticable unless you're looking for it, but it looks like very fine spiderwebs. I know they aren't spiderwebs because they don't attach to the windshield.

I've heard theories that this stuff crystalizes during cold weather which would explain why this stuff disappears when it hits the sun. I don't want to say for sure that this is the chemspray, but it sure leads me to believe it since I only get this stuff when the trails are in the air.

I've also heard that there is Barium in this stuff as well. Interesting note, that is what hey put in you when you have an x-ray to see the insides of your body.

Anyways, that's my two cents, lemme know if you have any questions.

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shakran

Um. Hate to let you in on the other conspiracy. . . but water also crystalizes during cold weather. . . .and contrails caused by jet combustion at high altitudes are made, shockingly enough, of water, and at 40,000 feet it's ALWAYS cold. Put the puzzle pieces together.

What are you suggesting that they are doing with the barium? Or are you now going to postulate that they are also loading these chemtrail planes up with giant Xray machines so they can perform covert medical examinations on the gastric systems of the unsuspecting masses?

All sounds rather silly when you get right down to it doesn't it.

Church

I love how you put words in my mouth. Its just great, awesome job man.

As I was saying, I don't know why they are doing it, but they are doing it and nothing you can say will change my mind. You can have your beliefs about the subject, and I'll have mine, but I don't appreciate you taking a superior tone with me on the subject. Does water crystalize into strands that look like spiderwebs? No. Have you seen what I'm talking about? Obviously not. Do you have an open mind to this theory? No, so get out of Tilited Paranoia.

http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

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Demeter

....never trust the government. And don't put it past them to experiment on its own people...its ongoing...they just say its for 'the greater good'. When it comes down do it, we are all bitches for the CIA, etc.

shakran

An excellent attitude to take. "I have closed my mind to the concept that the government is NOT participating in nefarious plots against me, so get out of my fantasy world."

Do you have pictures of these strands? I sure hope so, because why should we take YOUR word that these strands are 1) there and 2) sent by the government?

How do you know they aren't spider webs? I'll give you a hint: Spiders make two kinds of silk, sticky, and non sticky. So just because it wasn't sticky doesn't mean it wasn't spider silk.



The government is not just going to dump chemicals on you for shits and giggles. There must be a reason. Come up with a few. Theorize on it. Why would they want to spray you with barium? And by the way I didn't put words in your mouth, you're the one that brought barium up and mentioned it was used in Xrays. The logical conclusion would be that you are suggesting the government is covertly Xraying its citizens. Admittedly, nothing about the chem trail whacko-conspiracy has anything remotely to do with logic, so I'm not sure why I assumed you would have a logical explanation for why you think the government is coating you with the stuff.

And back to the strand issue, how do you know it's being sprayed by chem trail overlords? Couldn't it be a bug fogger, or lawn spray, or any number of other things?

The trouble with theorists like yourself is that you set yourself up for ridicule. You run around yelling about all the evil things the government is doing to you despite having no evidence and no motive for these awful acts, and then you wonder why people disagree with your ideas and try to kick them out of your sandbox.

If you're going to preach wild theories, expect resistance, especially if you have absolutely nothing to back your theories up.

Oh, and I don't have an open mind to this thery because I have seen no evidence as to its veracity and plenty of evidence that the theory is bullshit. If by "open mind" you mean I "believe anything I'm told by anyone no matter how stupid it seems" then you're right, I do not have an open mind.

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Went to your link. The articles there look like they're written by a paranoid schizophrenic, which in all likelihood they were.



What gets me is that there's plenty of evidence that the government IS engaged in an orwellian campaign against truth - just look at how the WMD story changed from the build up to the Iraq war to the present day. Truth right now is whatever Bush and Co. say it is. But there's NO evidence that they're spraying chemicals at 40,000 feet, and plenty of evidence that they are not. Yet the conspiracy theorists latch on to this insane notion while ignoring the REAL Bush conspiracy to start the war in Iraq. It boggles my mind!

Church

First of, please actually -read- what I write before you say things like this. I said I will take pictures of it this summer when they start spraying again.

Back to the topic of Barium, I brought that up not because they are going to x-ray us, that's just proposterous. Rather I brought it up because it is used to reflect radiation. There are theories that if we can reflect the radiation and heat, then we can allow the earth to cool down again and seal the hole in the ozone layer. But a side effect of USING Barium to do this is seen all over the place. Its funny that ever since they started doing this back in 1992 that acute respiratory problems in the summer have gone up significantly which MIGHT be caused by the chemicals that are being sprayed.

Also, why do I get grid contrails over my city? They are not flight paths and they hang around for hours most of the time turning into clouds. Which also helps my theory that if we cover problem areas in clouds, then it will also stop the heat from getting in.

And I admit that site is a little over the top, but they have done some legitimate research into the subject including scientific experiments and interviews.

Just stop being so high and mighty and actually read the arguments before you shut it out just because you've been in a few hangars and haven't seen anything, because we ALL know that you have high security clearance.

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shakran

I did read. I was reemphasizing the fact that you have absolutely no evidence with which to back up your claim.




I assume you are getting the "fact" that they are using barium from this page?

http://www.carnicom.com/flame1.htm

If so, that's an absurd source. He doesn't cite any respected scientific study that shows barium has increased in concentration. He cites himself twice, which any real scientist will tell you is a bullshit circular citation, and then the rest of his citations go to basic chemistry books which don't say anything about the government, much less that the government is dousing us in barium. This page is bunk. If you can show me some REAL EVIDENCE of this, perhaps I'd have an open mind. But saying "It's true because this guy who no one's ever heard of says it's true and he cites himself as his primary reference so he must be for real" is not going to convince anyone.


What city? Do you have pictures? They're obviously flight paths, even if we buy your explanation for them - - - you are after all saying they are being deposited by airplanes which are, presumably, flying at the time. So since we can both agree that airplanes were in the area before these "grid contrails" appeared, we are back to our original debate - whether these contrails are caused by water vapor exiting the engines or by a nefarious government plot.



Blurry pictures and citing onesself does not a scientific experiment make. Have these scientific experiment result papers been submitted for peer review? Apparently not, or if they were (they weren't) the peer reviews were so full of laughter that these guys didn't post them.






You seem to think that people who don't blindly follow the conspiracy theorist leader are being high and mighty, when in fact we're just being intelligent. We expect more evidence than "It's true! I seen 'em!" There are plenty of real conspiracies out there that we don't feel the need to waste our time with the ones that are obviously bullshit.

sargon

I've wondered about chem trails, aliens and many theories. I've read many conspiracy theories, but they're all ideas without evidence. Hard evidence, not books, or reportsfrom the internet.

Now I may sound like a skeptic but I most definately am not hehehe.

Go to http://www.orgone.com you may find some interesting information there.

As for aliens it's my belief they're not really from another planet but are projections of the 'devil' and his forces. So are the 'lizards" (that one had me for a while though).

When you start studying chemtrails, you're bound to follow a path of information that's aligned with aliens, 'the greys' and the reptiles. many people will tell you the greys are a projection of the lizards, but then in turn they too (the lizards) are a projection of some demons, a demon, or the devil. When you get closer to the source it becomes clear and easy to think about (for me).

Once again, all theories but it's fun discussing. To deny all evil is ignorant, I think the skeptics should keep an open mind, as well as the believers. Hey, if I'm wrong, then I just learned something... which is why it's so hard lately to believe pretty much anything... it's all like a ball of flufffffff for you to keep thinking about instead of doing something about it (evil).

Hampshire

wow, weather contol
i think the world would be thrown out of wack if we could alter the atmosphere, somehow , someway we would kill ourselves

Demeter

The US has been doing weather experimentation for years, seeding clouds for rain, etc. This isn't a new concept.

Church

Shakran, here. This is just one of the many programs going on and here is one of the types of planes being used for atmospheric experimentation. It doesn't say what they use, but it DOES happen.






http://www.pnl.gov/atmos_sciences/as_g1_2.html (notice its a government site)

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shakran

look i'm not saying they're not experimenting with seeding clouds. They've been very forthcoming about the fact that they are. However, if they were really dispensing evil chemicals, do you think they'd publish pictures of the airplanes?

That's rather like saying the government is infiltrating me with gamma radiation, and I know it because I saw a light bulb in a government office once. There's a logical disconnect between showing a picture of a cloud seeding plane and concluding the government is up to something nefarious.