Thread: Chem Trails?
View Single Post
Old 02-24-2005, 05:22 PM   #22 (permalink)
shakran
Tone.
 
shakran's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church
First of, please actually -read- what I write before you say things like this. I said I will take pictures of it this summer when they start spraying again.
I did read. I was reemphasizing the fact that you have absolutely no evidence with which to back up your claim.



Quote:
Back to the topic of Barium, I brought that up not because they are going to x-ray us, that's just proposterous. Rather I brought it up because it is used to reflect radiation. There are theories that if we can reflect the radiation and heat, then we can allow the earth to cool down again and seal the hole in the ozone layer. But a side effect of USING Barium to do this is seen all over the place. Its funny that ever since they started doing this back in 1992 that acute respiratory problems in the summer have gone up significantly which MIGHT be caused by the chemicals that are being sprayed.

I assume you are getting the "fact" that they are using barium from this page?

http://www.carnicom.com/flame1.htm

If so, that's an absurd source. He doesn't cite any respected scientific study that shows barium has increased in concentration. He cites himself twice, which any real scientist will tell you is a bullshit circular citation, and then the rest of his citations go to basic chemistry books which don't say anything about the government, much less that the government is dousing us in barium. This page is bunk. If you can show me some REAL EVIDENCE of this, perhaps I'd have an open mind. But saying "It's true because this guy who no one's ever heard of says it's true and he cites himself as his primary reference so he must be for real" is not going to convince anyone.


Quote:
Also, why do I get grid contrails over my city? They are not flight paths and they hang around for hours most of the time turning into clouds. Which also helps my theory that if we cover problem areas in clouds, then it will also stop the heat from getting in.
What city? Do you have pictures? They're obviously flight paths, even if we buy your explanation for them - - - you are after all saying they are being deposited by airplanes which are, presumably, flying at the time. So since we can both agree that airplanes were in the area before these "grid contrails" appeared, we are back to our original debate - whether these contrails are caused by water vapor exiting the engines or by a nefarious government plot.



Quote:
And I admit that site is a little over the top, but they have done some legitimate research into the subject including scientific experiments and interviews.
Blurry pictures and citing onesself does not a scientific experiment make. Have these scientific experiment result papers been submitted for peer review? Apparently not, or if they were (they weren't) the peer reviews were so full of laughter that these guys didn't post them.





Quote:
Just stop being so high and mighty and actually read the arguments before you shut it out just because you've been in a few hangars and haven't seen anything, because we ALL know that you have high security clearance.

You seem to think that people who don't blindly follow the conspiracy theorist leader are being high and mighty, when in fact we're just being intelligent. We expect more evidence than "It's true! I seen 'em!" There are plenty of real conspiracies out there that we don't feel the need to waste our time with the ones that are obviously bullshit.
shakran is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360