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rider6061 · 11-26-2003, 08:28 AM

I have always loved documentaries about Satan, exorcists and generally all controversial unknowns. I consider myself a Christian, though I rarely go to church, and I do try to live my life in a moral way.
When I was in high school, I went to a party with alot of older people I didn't really know. While there I met this seemingly cool guy who was hilarious, dressed as a total beach bum with bleached and permed hair, a Hawaiian Tourist button up and surf shorts, named Ed. We cracked each other up for a couple of hours drinking away and spouting off one liners. My party friends and I had another party to go to so we said our goodbyes and were on our way.
Before this party I had heard about this guy who was supposedly a high priest in the Satanic Church who had crazy powers. I heard many things from many people who knew the guy personally and claimed to witness things that I brushed off as ludicrous. Among these were the usual black powers such as teleprtation, telekinesis etc... This guy went by the name of Ed.
On the way to the second party, my friends asked what I could have possibly been talking to Ed about. I told them the usual ridiculous party conversation. They told me that this was the Ed who struck so much fear to many of my peers.
To me nothing seemed unusual to me about him, but at the same time that was what creeped me out the most. How would an agent of the dark one act?
I guess what I am wondering about is there anyone who has had any experience with satanists or accidentally come across something bizarre relating to dark religion, or if you are a Satanist, what do you get out of it?

anti fishstick · 11-26-2003, 11:00 PM

uhm, the church of satan has nothing to do with black magic. if it is, it's the pseudo satanists who just wants to rebel, wear all black, and practice wiccan-like rituals.

John Henry · 11-29-2003, 10:17 AM

I had a friend who was a devout Catholic and a member of the church of Satan. He claimed it was nothing to do with Satanism, but just about secular morality. The people who came up with the black magic stuff were probably some alarmist, tattling, bullshit merchants with nothing better to do than make up idle gossip and turn it into malicious rumours. Jealousy of his charm, I expect. Don't let it worry you.

VitaminH · 11-30-2003, 06:00 PM

There is a difference between Satanism, Satan Worshipers, and Wiccans. I did a research paper on Satanism a long time ago in high school...don't remember much but I know that much to be true. Satanism is more so a aethiest but treat your fellow man 'morally' thing, where satan worshipers is self explanatory, and Wiccans are the black magic you speak of.

nefarious · 11-30-2003, 06:09 PM

taken from http://www.angelfire.com/in2/Dark/NineState.html

>>
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development," has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He kas kept it in business all these years!
<<

and the 11 satanic rules:
http://www.angelfire.com/in2/Dark/Rulez.html

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

the site has more info ..
http://www.angelfire.com/in2/Dark/Satan.html

Easytiger · 12-01-2003, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VitaminH
Wiccans are the black magic you speak of.

Please. I had a very good Christian friend who got a bit too wrapped up in the idea that because I am Wiccan I was actively involved in "dark magic" and sacrificing babies, and decided that we couldn't hang out any more.
Wicca does not involve "dark magic". It goes against every Wiccan principle to wish harm onto other people.

Johnny Rotten · 12-02-2003, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VitaminH
There is a difference between Satanism, Satan Worshipers, and Wiccans. I did a research paper on Satanism a long time ago in high school...don't remember much but I know that much to be true. Satanism is more so a aethiest but treat your fellow man 'morally' thing, where satan worshipers is self explanatory, and Wiccans are the black magic you speak of.

Perhaps you should have done more research. "Wicca" was created in 1953 by Charles Gardener and is the popularized version of a pagan religion that existed long before the birth of the Church, much less its Satan mythology.

rider6061 · 12-02-2003, 08:08 AM

I actually dated a girl who came from a family of wiccans and they all practiced regularly. They explained it as a worship of the natural forces. Pagan yes, but evil or black? Not from what I witnessed or understood, though I didn't involve myself with it in any great depth.
There are extremists in all religions no matter who or what is being worshipped. That is obvious by the events that are transpiring around the world.
Is it not possible their are different sects within each group practicing in different ways? Christian Example: Catholics taking Communion; The very Southern Baptist sect ( excuse me if they are not Baptist) who use rattle snakes in their prayer sessions.

nefarious · 12-02-2003, 04:35 PM

the bible says "they shall take up deadly serpents and it shall not harm them." therefore they try to force it to happen. . . quite a few people die .. but they just blame it on the person not having enough faith

bparker805 · 12-03-2003, 05:27 PM

Yeah Nefarious busted out with nine satanic statements!

Easytiger · 12-03-2003, 08:47 PM

You know, with their mentioning of lairs and mating signals, those "rulez" sound like they were written by a furry...

nefarious · 12-04-2003, 09:22 PM

i love the "11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him."

those eleven rules are pretty good i think .. up there with the 10 commandments ^_^ IMHO

thingstodo · 12-07-2003, 04:05 PM

I grew up in a Christian home and later left the whole concept. Religion is just an organized spirituality to me. Far to many organized religions try to force everyone to believe their way only. I don't think you need religion to be spiritual.

thingstodo · 12-07-2003, 04:44 PM

Easytiger thought I posted in the wrong thread - see the last post. I'm unclear on what he meant.

Satanism is a form of spirituality as I understand it. In many cased that would become an organized religion if there is a well known name for it. And my point was that most organized religion basically sucks because they want everyone to believe the same way or you are rebuffed. And that is why so many Christian sects sprouted up. No one could agree.

I think spirituality should be a personal thing you don't have to stuff down everyone's gullet.

Does that make any more sense?

Easytiger · 12-07-2003, 04:47 PM

Yes, now it does. Thanks for clarifying.

thingstodo · 12-08-2003, 03:50 AM

Well, I'm glad that worked out.

geodaro · 12-08-2003, 08:54 AM

I think Satan must be alive and well, otherwise those god-fearing people would stop going to the church on my street and the church would run out of money! Hail Money! Hail Church! Hail Church Money! Fear Satan!

thingstodo · 12-08-2003, 01:07 PM

Church? They build castles with all that money. Instead of putting all that cash to good use helping people which is what Christian churches should be doing anyway.

Hail Money! Hail Church! Hail Church Money! Fear Satan!

That should be their mantra....

thingstodo · 12-09-2003, 04:31 AM

Looks like this thread fizzled out!

Easytiger · 12-09-2003, 03:31 PM

It happens to the best of threads sometimes.

nefarious · 12-10-2003, 06:52 PM

why do so many people insist on associating Satanism with Wiccan, Marilyn Manson, rabbit killing etc.? .. or just plain wearing black and a pentacle?

thingstodo · 12-11-2003, 04:14 AM

Because the behaviors are all tied together in movies, books and myth.

Bill O'Rights · 12-15-2003, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nefarious
why do so many people insist on associating Satanism with Wiccan, Marilyn Manson, rabbit killing etc.? .. or just plain wearing black and a pentacle?

Ignorance

Sho Nuff · 12-16-2003, 12:19 PM

Theres a book called "He Came to Set the Captives Free" by Dr. Rebecca Brown. Its an autobiographical tale about her life as one of the leading "Brides of Satan" in the satanic "Brotherhood." It contains graphic details of ritualistic demon summoning, incantations, etc etc. Supposedly her blood was sold by her mother when she was being born to a nurse in the hospital that was a Satanist. They performed a ceremony to give the child to Satan at an early age and she rose through the ranks only to later be "saved" by a Christian. She now tours the country selling the book and giving lectures.

Personally, I believe the whole thing is a bunch of horseshit but it makes for some good fiction.

GakFace · 12-30-2003, 01:50 PM

I've heard of some people saying Satanism having spells and shit. BUT, I've also heard from a friend who used to practice it and told me himself that it truely has nothing to do with spells. I personally would like to talk to that guy, that Ed. As for any Christian based theology.. such as dealings with Satan, I don't quite get how spells are cast. Maybe if it was more "clerical".... think D&D compare the Cleric to the Mage, I could maybe understand the spell if it was more Cleric-esque, but not the Mage Type.

I've known a few guys who have practice "dark" religions. Amazingly both of them were only christian related.. not pagan.. heh. I have heard of some spell like rituals though. I'm not entirely sure how they work or what must be done for it to happen or any of that though. I wouldn't mind speaking to some satanists though. I used to go into Yahoo Satan chatrooms, and I got some weird things out of them. Some of them would say one thing, then turn it around, thinking I can't remember what they said in the chat --> the Yahoo IM window. Some are very informative, others are just full of shit.. hey kinda like the population at large! hehe

Usual black powers are teleportation? Thats a new one to me.. whats the Usual?

11-26-2003, 08:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
rider6061 Crazy Location: oklahoma	Satanists I have always loved documentaries about Satan, exorcists and generally all controversial unknowns. I consider myself a Christian, though I rarely go to church, and I do try to live my life in a moral way. When I was in high school, I went to a party with alot of older people I didn't really know. While there I met this seemingly cool guy who was hilarious, dressed as a total beach bum with bleached and permed hair, a Hawaiian Tourist button up and surf shorts, named Ed. We cracked each other up for a couple of hours drinking away and spouting off one liners. My party friends and I had another party to go to so we said our goodbyes and were on our way. Before this party I had heard about this guy who was supposedly a high priest in the Satanic Church who had crazy powers. I heard many things from many people who knew the guy personally and claimed to witness things that I brushed off as ludicrous. Among these were the usual black powers such as teleprtation, telekinesis etc... This guy went by the name of Ed. On the way to the second party, my friends asked what I could have possibly been talking to Ed about. I told them the usual ridiculous party conversation. They told me that this was the Ed who struck so much fear to many of my peers. To me nothing seemed unusual to me about him, but at the same time that was what creeped me out the most. How would an agent of the dark one act? I guess what I am wondering about is there anyone who has had any experience with satanists or accidentally come across something bizarre relating to dark religion, or if you are a Satanist, what do you get out of it? __________________ Is This Thing On?

11-26-2003, 11:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	uhm, the church of satan has nothing to do with black magic. if it is, it's the pseudo satanists who just wants to rebel, wear all black, and practice wiccan-like rituals. __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin

11-29-2003, 10:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
John Henry Addict Location: Grey Britain	I had a friend who was a devout Catholic and a member of the church of Satan. He claimed it was nothing to do with Satanism, but just about secular morality. The people who came up with the black magic stuff were probably some alarmist, tattling, bullshit merchants with nothing better to do than make up idle gossip and turn it into malicious rumours. Jealousy of his charm, I expect. Don't let it worry you. __________________ "No one was behaving from very Buddhist motives. Then, thought Pigsy, he was hardly a Buddha, nor was he a monkey. Presently, he was a pig spirit changed into a little girl pretending to be a little boy to be offered to a water monster. It was all very simple to a pig spirit."

11-30-2003, 06:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
VitaminH An embarrassment to myself and those around me... Location: Pants	There is a difference between Satanism, Satan Worshipers, and Wiccans. I did a research paper on Satanism a long time ago in high school...don't remember much but I know that much to be true. Satanism is more so a aethiest but treat your fellow man 'morally' thing, where satan worshipers is self explanatory, and Wiccans are the black magic you speak of. __________________ "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte

11-30-2003, 06:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
nefarious Insane Location: Tucson, AZ	taken from http://www.angelfire.com/in2/Dark/NineState.html >> 1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence! 2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams! 3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit! 4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates! 5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek! 6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires! 7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development," has become the most vicious animal of all! 8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification! 9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He kas kept it in business all these years! << and the 11 satanic rules: http://www.angelfire.com/in2/Dark/Rulez.html 1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked. 2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them. 3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there. 4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy. 5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal. 6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved. 7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained. 8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself. 9. Do not harm little children. 10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food. 11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him. the site has more info .. http://www.angelfire.com/in2/Dark/Satan.html __________________ Si vis pacem, para bellum. - Vegetius "Do Re Mil.3, Prol.

12-02-2003, 08:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
rider6061 Crazy Location: oklahoma	I actually dated a girl who came from a family of wiccans and they all practiced regularly. They explained it as a worship of the natural forces. Pagan yes, but evil or black? Not from what I witnessed or understood, though I didn't involve myself with it in any great depth. There are extremists in all religions no matter who or what is being worshipped. That is obvious by the events that are transpiring around the world. Is it not possible their are different sects within each group practicing in different ways? Christian Example: Catholics taking Communion; The very Southern Baptist sect ( excuse me if they are not Baptist) who use rattle snakes in their prayer sessions. __________________ Is This Thing On? Last edited by rider6061; 12-03-2003 at 06:48 AM..

12-02-2003, 04:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
nefarious Insane Location: Tucson, AZ	the bible says "they shall take up deadly serpents and it shall not harm them." therefore they try to force it to happen. . . quite a few people die .. but they just blame it on the person not having enough faith __________________ Si vis pacem, para bellum. - Vegetius "Do Re Mil.3, Prol.

12-03-2003, 05:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
bparker805 is KING! Location: On the path to Valhalla.	Yeah Nefarious busted out with nine satanic statements!

12-03-2003, 08:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
Easytiger Insane Location: Tigerland	You know, with their mentioning of lairs and mating signals, those "rulez" sound like they were written by a furry...

12-04-2003, 09:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
nefarious Insane Location: Tucson, AZ	i love the "11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him." those eleven rules are pretty good i think .. up there with the 10 commandments ^_^ IMHO __________________ Si vis pacem, para bellum. - Vegetius "Do Re Mil.3, Prol.

12-07-2003, 04:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	I grew up in a Christian home and later left the whole concept. Religion is just an organized spirituality to me. Far to many organized religions try to force everyone to believe their way only. I don't think you need religion to be spiritual. __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

12-07-2003, 04:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	Easytiger thought I posted in the wrong thread - see the last post. I'm unclear on what he meant. Satanism is a form of spirituality as I understand it. In many cased that would become an organized religion if there is a well known name for it. And my point was that most organized religion basically sucks because they want everyone to believe the same way or you are rebuffed. And that is why so many Christian sects sprouted up. No one could agree. I think spirituality should be a personal thing you don't have to stuff down everyone's gullet. Does that make any more sense? __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

12-07-2003, 04:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
Easytiger Insane Location: Tigerland	Yes, now it does. Thanks for clarifying.

12-08-2003, 03:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	Well, I'm glad that worked out. __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

12-08-2003, 08:54 AM	#17 (permalink)
geodaro Psycho	I think Satan must be alive and well, otherwise those god-fearing people would stop going to the church on my street and the church would run out of money! Hail Money! Hail Church! Hail Church Money! Fear Satan!

12-08-2003, 01:07 PM	#18 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	Church? They build castles with all that money. Instead of putting all that cash to good use helping people which is what Christian churches should be doing anyway. Hail Money! Hail Church! Hail Church Money! Fear Satan! That should be their mantra.... __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

12-09-2003, 04:31 AM	#19 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	Looks like this thread fizzled out! __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

12-09-2003, 03:31 PM	#20 (permalink)
Easytiger Insane Location: Tigerland	It happens to the best of threads sometimes.

12-10-2003, 06:52 PM	#21 (permalink)
nefarious Insane Location: Tucson, AZ	why do so many people insist on associating Satanism with Wiccan, Marilyn Manson, rabbit killing etc.? .. or just plain wearing black and a pentacle? __________________ Si vis pacem, para bellum. - Vegetius "Do Re Mil.3, Prol.

12-11-2003, 04:14 AM	#22 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	Because the behaviors are all tied together in movies, books and myth. __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

12-16-2003, 12:19 PM	#24 (permalink)
Sho Nuff Addict Location: Harlem	Theres a book called "He Came to Set the Captives Free" by Dr. Rebecca Brown. Its an autobiographical tale about her life as one of the leading "Brides of Satan" in the satanic "Brotherhood." It contains graphic details of ritualistic demon summoning, incantations, etc etc. Supposedly her blood was sold by her mother when she was being born to a nurse in the hospital that was a Satanist. They performed a ceremony to give the child to Satan at an early age and she rose through the ranks only to later be "saved" by a Christian. She now tours the country selling the book and giving lectures. Personally, I believe the whole thing is a bunch of horseshit but it makes for some good fiction. __________________ I know Nietzsche doesnt rhyme with peachy, but you sound like a pretentious prick when you correct me.

12-30-2003, 01:50 PM	#25 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	I've heard of some people saying Satanism having spells and shit. BUT, I've also heard from a friend who used to practice it and told me himself that it truely has nothing to do with spells. I personally would like to talk to that guy, that Ed. As for any Christian based theology.. such as dealings with Satan, I don't quite get how spells are cast. Maybe if it was more "clerical".... think D&D compare the Cleric to the Mage, I could maybe understand the spell if it was more Cleric-esque, but not the Mage Type. I've known a few guys who have practice "dark" religions. Amazingly both of them were only christian related.. not pagan.. heh. I have heard of some spell like rituals though. I'm not entirely sure how they work or what must be done for it to happen or any of that though. I wouldn't mind speaking to some satanists though. I used to go into Yahoo Satan chatrooms, and I got some weird things out of them. Some of them would say one thing, then turn it around, thinking I can't remember what they said in the chat --> the Yahoo IM window. Some are very informative, others are just full of shit.. hey kinda like the population at large! hehe Usual black powers are teleportation? Thats a new one to me.. whats the Usual? __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.