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liquid_dreams · 10-02-2003, 09:22 PM

ok i've been talkin to my steapdad over the phone and i mean hes big into big foot and shit so any where talkin bout that and then like tells me a bunch of shit bout alians... like why we stoped going to the moon is cuz like we found achent (bad speller) ruins of alians there and like that there are 2 types... i'm not sure what to think but i get creaped WAY the hell out when i here shit like this i guess its just my minds reaction bout this but i would like to know more

bryan2766 · 10-02-2003, 10:59 PM

a lot of people believe we didn't go to the moon at all let alone find ancient ruins of aliens

Psivage · 10-03-2003, 07:40 AM

I heard that there was ancient ruin on the moon as well, also I belive that there is 16 minutes missing from the audio tape that was made. One of the astronauts, Forgot which one, when asked if there is life up there said yes. And left it at that. Another thing we don't have the ability to land on the moon, I heard it would take 7 years to regain that ability.

dnd · 10-03-2003, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by Psivage
Another thing we don't have the ability to land on the moon, I heard it would take 7 years to regain that ability.

if they are landing probes (admitadly unmanned probes) nasa and other space agencies around the world must have the technological hardware to do it. or am i overlooking a simple point?

ObieX · 10-03-2003, 05:46 PM

Last i heard we are sending a manned mission to mars around 2013. Not sure if it's still gonna happen that way but if they do i hope they check out the cydonia area FIRST, fuck the rest.

As for the two types of aliens i find that interesting that you mentioned that. There was a link that i had saved in my favs before i formatted that was on a seminar of class on mars and such online. The guy had a theory that the aliens on mars were also known as "angels" (yea i know....). He went on explaining that the war in heaven where someof the angels rose up against god was really a space battle where the martians had a civil war type battle. During that battle the planet between mars and jupiter was destroyed and the "evil" aliens were banished there to live (supposedly in "reality" it is a planet that never truly formed due to the intense gravity of jupiter.. although jupiter has some pretty large moons so i dunno about that) How he pulle dthis all out of his ass i dunno, but it sounds interesting atleast.

There was more in there on planet "X" the "10th planet" that is in an unusual orbit like pluto kinda, that comes within range of earth ever few thousand years. Supposedly that planet is due to come into our neighborhood again soon.

liquid_dreams · 10-03-2003, 09:17 PM

that angles part, i've been reading sum about that from stuffed passed to me by ppls i know, so i guess its not just ONE guy pullin shit out of his arse if thats so

Nisses · 10-04-2003, 02:45 AM

ObieX: Nibiru is the name of that planet, and nope, their predicted date is already past. I believe it was somewhere in June or some such. It's supposed to come along every 3600 years and is inhabited by the creatures the Bible speaks of like giants and such.

But there are numerous explanations for all the debris between Jupiter & Mars. Intense gravity, a comet collided with it and caused ruptures, or even a space-war.

I gotta admit the last one seems the most interesting

also, the astronaut was telling the truth, there was life there, namely 2 people from the USA.

ObieX · 10-04-2003, 06:53 PM

Yea that june date sounds familiar. Which sucks cuz i really wanna see some alins already (as lnog as they dont try and kill everyone).

I gotta side witht he aliens on not showing up though. If i were an alien i wouldnt want anyone on this planet to know i existed either...

MSD · 10-06-2003, 06:48 AM

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/astro2.html

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12) Apollo 11: "I say that there were other spaceships!"

Apollo 11, with Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin Aldrin was the first Apollo flight to land on the Moon, on July 20, 1969. While Collins flew in orbit around the Moon in the command module, Armstrong and Aldrin descended in the lunar module, landing in the Sea of Tranquillity at 4:17 P.M.

According to hitherto un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard.

The following astonishing conversation was picked up by ham radio operators that had their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets. At this time, the live television broadcast was interrupted for two minutes due to a supposed "overheated camera", but the transmission below was received loud and clear by hundreds of ham radio operators:

According to Otto Binder, who was a member of the NASA space team, when the two moon-walkers, Aldrin and Armstrong were making their rounds some distance from the LEM, Armstrong clutched Aldrin's arm excitedly and exclaimed:

//-
Armstrong: What was it? What the hell was it? That's all I want to know!"
Mission Control: What's there?... malfunction (garble) ... Mission Control calling Apollo 11 ...
Apollo 11: These babies were huge, sir!... Enormous!... Oh, God! You wouldn't believe it! ... I'm telling you there are other space-craft out there ... lined up on the far side of the crater edge! ... They're on the Moon watching us! ...
-//
Wilson writes (p. 48): "Binder ends his report with this observation: 'There has, understandably, been no confirmation of this incredible report by NASA or any authorities. WE cannot vouch for its authenticity, but if true, one can surmise that mission control went into a dither and then into a huddle, after which they sternly [ordered] the moonwalkers to 'forget' what they saw and carry on casually and calmly as if nothing had happened. After all, an estimated 600 million people around the world were hanging on every word spoken by the first two men to leave footprints on the Moon."

This is from one site, but the same conversation has been reported and published in hundreds of places since the first moon landing.

If you suspend disbelief for a moment and assume that this conversation did happen, does it mean that there is an alien presence in our solar system? Or could it be that the Soviets beat us there and were setting up a nuclear base on the moon? Could it have been something else entirely, that the conversation was a hoax transmitted to the ham radio operators who allegedly heard it by pranksters with a powerful transmitter?

Check the page for more "evidence" of alien presence on the moon, including the aritfacts mentioned by liquid_dreams.

BentNotTwisted · 10-09-2003, 07:16 AM

I plan to read more about the first lunar landing, but if there were 'hundreds of ham radio operators' listening and, I assume, recording the astronauts' conversation, wouldn't it make sense that at least one of them still has a recording and would have exposed the coverup by now?

GakFace · 10-09-2003, 01:01 PM

You'd think... But then again.. I've found websites before about a real MIB organization. They're fucking hard to find now because of the movies and all.... So its hard to descover if the "real" ones are fake or not. But if they exist as well, then there is one good reason why no one has. Also, thats something pretty amazing to say. Tons of people wouldn't have heard that and so I'm sure something like the Nation Inquirer might pick it up, but some many news stations will be willing to disbelieve the story. I myself plan to look into this, and I don't recall ever hearing about it before. So what did they see? Someone else from Earth? I sincerely doubt that. Back then, I'm sure they would have had some sort of insigna to point out they were the soviet union... Nuclear Base? I dunno.. I think they would have used it by now. But some other life beings watching us? Sounds plausable. They all can't be mean.. Not every human would kill another life form simply because they haven't encountered it before. Beyond that.. we have the idea that a space base would be a smart thing... So why wouldn't they? This is extremely interesting. In info you guys have/find, do share.

liquid_dreams · 10-09-2003, 03:42 PM

you gak man can you post a link to that site plz

cuz man that would be some cool shit to read

Miekle · 10-09-2003, 07:54 PM

I think it would be nice to believe there was life FOUND on the moon by the first aliens but the thing is I highly doubt it. The only reason we haven't been back to the moon is because its so close. We don't even need to land on it to see whats on it. Heck most of the telescopes we have today in our homes can see the moon clearly enough to be able to tell whats on the surface. if there WAS HUGE ships like the reports said then they would be seen.

liquid_dreams · 10-09-2003, 08:18 PM

but what if it was on the dark side of the moon miekle?

Mojo_PeiPei · 10-09-2003, 08:30 PM

There is no Dark Side of the moon... as a matter of fact it is all dark

GakFace · 10-10-2003, 12:50 AM

yeah.. but the "dark side" of the moon is commonly refferred to the OTHER side.. the part the telescope cannot see... so what about that part? Not to mention.. if its in a crater.. are you sure a telescope would see it? it could be huge to the size of a human craft.. doesn't mean a telescope would pick it up....

Rubyee · 10-10-2003, 06:30 PM

Hmm, all this stuff is easy to believe and hard to believe at the same time.

Let's take the lunar landing to begin with. All my life, as a child and growing up, I believed in the lunar landing. Why? Because that is what I was taught. But a couple of years ago, someone had causally mentioned that a large majority of the population disbelieved it, for obvious reasons. It is hard for me to say it, but I am starting to disbelieve it too.

If they did land, did they see life? Doubt it. Do you think that after all these years, one of the men on that mission would not have come out and said what they had seen?

It is the same with the whole aliens making the pyramids thing. Why couldn't it have been a big coincidence.

I guess it is the same as trying to disbelieve a religion you were raised in all your life. The older I get, the harder it all is to believe. I try harder every day to believe this shit, but am slowly losing faith.

GakFace · 10-11-2003, 04:29 AM

Well put it this way. Do you know any friends in the military? If you have answered yes, how much information can you get out of them? I'm doubting you can get a lot. They are ordered to shut up, and they follow. If you saw alien life, the gov't would get on your ass and make sure you don't say a damn word. For various reasons at that.
The first is for a world wide Panic.
I mean do you really want the world to panic about alien life so close to our world? Perhaps we had nothing to worry about.. because in fact they haven't exactly taken over the world as we see it, so panic would have just been stupid.

Second? Perhaps that was merely gov't testing. Would you want word out to the world that the mission to the moon was merely a distraction.. while we were really there already setting up a base? If we didn't try to beat them, something woulda looked fishy, so it coulda simply been a distraction as well.

I'd say more, but those are actually pretty broad in and of themselves. I could give more, but you'll still have those two reactions somewhere... oh wait there is a third....

Third, The world at large things USA is shit. Complete Utter Shit. Would you want to risk panicking part of the world, while letting you reputation turn to shit as the rest of the world who isn't scare, now thinks you (the country) is insane? Not a good idea.

So there are the three broad categories, one of them would be bound to come up. If you can think of a fourth do tell and I'll see what I think, but it makes complete sense to me that things wouldn't have been said. Some things just won't be said and we have people around to enforce that. If you're willing to say there were aliens there.. and there are only so many people to back you up, AND you're risking your life to say it.. are you still willing? Not many people are.. which means even LESS people are there to back you up.. the odds start looking bad for you. I think it'd be amazing no matter what the reason was, but I understand completely why it isn't common knowledge.

jujueye · 10-15-2003, 08:12 AM

Seems to me that we dont go there anymore because we've already done it. And maybe because there really is nothing there that is all too interesting to view. I'd sure like to believe the alien stuff, but they would have stopped by already, so we can take that off the list.

hlprmnky · 10-18-2003, 01:16 PM

Going to the moon is helluva expensive, and there's not much science left to do there that wouldn't require a massive investment (e.g., permanent human presence) for uncertain return.

As far as it taking seven years or so to get back to the Moon, that's true only because the mission-specific plans for doing it are now going on 40 years out of date. There was a really good article about this linked off of Fark last week, IIRC. Basically, the Space Shuttle isn't up to the task of taking a lander to the Moon and back, and the Saturn V/Apollo plans are all reliant on hundreds of thousands of parts, even things like washers and bolts, that aren't manufactured any longer. So, it isn't possible to re-create the Apollo missions without tons of time and expense, but that doesn't mean we couldn't put a goodly-sized unmanned probe (or a new manned lander design) on the moon in short order, either with Titan or Energia rocket, or assembling a craft using the ISS as a staging area.

As far as alien ruins on the moon... much as the 'it all happened on the dark side of the moon' hypothesis is interesting, my lunar globe shows the location of Tranquility Base as being nicely within the area we can see from Earth. I should think that any sizeable ruins would have been noticed by even reasonably-dedicated amateur astronomers by now.

For myself, I just hope that China's successful mission re-focuses some part of our military on the importance of a presence in near-Earth space, since that seems to be the only way our society can be convinced to bother with the expenditure of effort required to pursue knowledge and discovery beyond our own little bubble.

Maybe that's what any visiting aliens are waiting for - an end to our introverted navel-gazing. Maybe you have to start doing more than looking up and saying "I wonder what's out there" before you get your subscription to the Encyclopaedia Galactica.

GakFace · 10-18-2003, 01:52 PM

Good points man. Yeah why say "hi" until you can meet them halfway by actually leaving the damn planet.

Sure you'd think we'd see ruins.. but with its thin atmosphere it gets lots of meteoric holes

... Personally I think you'd be A LOT safer UNDERGROUND if you were to live on the moon. You can see all the holes from rocks hitting it with a telescope, would you really want to set up a base on the surface? Bases aren't exactly the size of a jeep or anything. This is alll very interesting tho...

GakFace asks for his subscription to the Encyclopedia Galactica.

10-02-2003, 09:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
liquid_dreams Banned Location: ketchikan	dont know what to call this (belongs here mods) ok i've been talkin to my steapdad over the phone and i mean hes big into big foot and shit so any where talkin bout that and then like tells me a bunch of shit bout alians... like why we stoped going to the moon is cuz like we found achent (bad speller) ruins of alians there and like that there are 2 types... i'm not sure what to think but i get creaped WAY the hell out when i here shit like this i guess its just my minds reaction bout this but i would like to know more

10-03-2003, 05:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	Last i heard we are sending a manned mission to mars around 2013. Not sure if it's still gonna happen that way but if they do i hope they check out the cydonia area FIRST, fuck the rest. As for the two types of aliens i find that interesting that you mentioned that. There was a link that i had saved in my favs before i formatted that was on a seminar of class on mars and such online. The guy had a theory that the aliens on mars were also known as "angels" (yea i know....). He went on explaining that the war in heaven where someof the angels rose up against god was really a space battle where the martians had a civil war type battle. During that battle the planet between mars and jupiter was destroyed and the "evil" aliens were banished there to live (supposedly in "reality" it is a planet that never truly formed due to the intense gravity of jupiter.. although jupiter has some pretty large moons so i dunno about that) How he pulle dthis all out of his ass i dunno, but it sounds interesting atleast. There was more in there on planet "X" the "10th planet" that is in an unusual orbit like pluto kinda, that comes within range of earth ever few thousand years. Supposedly that planet is due to come into our neighborhood again soon. __________________ We Must Dissent.

10-04-2003, 02:45 AM	#7 (permalink)
Nisses Shade Location: Belgium	ObieX: Nibiru is the name of that planet, and nope, their predicted date is already past. I believe it was somewhere in June or some such. It's supposed to come along every 3600 years and is inhabited by the creatures the Bible speaks of like giants and such. But there are numerous explanations for all the debris between Jupiter & Mars. Intense gravity, a comet collided with it and caused ruptures, or even a space-war. I gotta admit the last one seems the most interesting also, the astronaut was telling the truth, there was life there, namely 2 people from the USA. __________________ Moderation should be moderately moderated.

10-04-2003, 06:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	Yea that june date sounds familiar. Which sucks cuz i really wanna see some alins already (as lnog as they dont try and kill everyone). I gotta side witht he aliens on not showing up though. If i were an alien i wouldnt want anyone on this planet to know i existed either... __________________ We Must Dissent.

10-09-2003, 07:16 AM	#10 (permalink)
BentNotTwisted Optimistic Skeptic Location: Midway between a Beehive and Centennial	I plan to read more about the first lunar landing, but if there were 'hundreds of ham radio operators' listening and, I assume, recording the astronauts' conversation, wouldn't it make sense that at least one of them still has a recording and would have exposed the coverup by now? __________________ IS THAT IT ???!!! Do you even know what 'it' is? When the last man dies for just words that he said... We Shall Be Free

10-02-2003, 10:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
bryan2766 Crazy Location: East Tenn	a lot of people believe we didn't go to the moon at all let alone find ancient ruins of aliens

10-03-2003, 07:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
Psivage Psycho	I heard that there was ancient ruin on the moon as well, also I belive that there is 16 minutes missing from the audio tape that was made. One of the astronauts, Forgot which one, when asked if there is life up there said yes. And left it at that. Another thing we don't have the ability to land on the moon, I heard it would take 7 years to regain that ability.

10-03-2003, 09:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
liquid_dreams Banned Location: ketchikan	that angles part, i've been reading sum about that from stuffed passed to me by ppls i know, so i guess its not just ONE guy pullin shit out of his arse if thats so

10-09-2003, 01:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	You'd think... But then again.. I've found websites before about a real MIB organization. They're fucking hard to find now because of the movies and all.... So its hard to descover if the "real" ones are fake or not. But if they exist as well, then there is one good reason why no one has. Also, thats something pretty amazing to say. Tons of people wouldn't have heard that and so I'm sure something like the Nation Inquirer might pick it up, but some many news stations will be willing to disbelieve the story. I myself plan to look into this, and I don't recall ever hearing about it before. So what did they see? Someone else from Earth? I sincerely doubt that. Back then, I'm sure they would have had some sort of insigna to point out they were the soviet union... Nuclear Base? I dunno.. I think they would have used it by now. But some other life beings watching us? Sounds plausable. They all can't be mean.. Not every human would kill another life form simply because they haven't encountered it before. Beyond that.. we have the idea that a space base would be a smart thing... So why wouldn't they? This is extremely interesting. In info you guys have/find, do share. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

10-09-2003, 03:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
liquid_dreams Banned Location: ketchikan	you gak man can you post a link to that site plz cuz man that would be some cool shit to read

10-09-2003, 07:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
Miekle Insane Location: your front door...ding dong	I think it would be nice to believe there was life FOUND on the moon by the first aliens but the thing is I highly doubt it. The only reason we haven't been back to the moon is because its so close. We don't even need to land on it to see whats on it. Heck most of the telescopes we have today in our homes can see the moon clearly enough to be able to tell whats on the surface. if there WAS HUGE ships like the reports said then they would be seen.

10-09-2003, 08:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
liquid_dreams Banned Location: ketchikan	but what if it was on the dark side of the moon miekle?

10-09-2003, 08:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	There is no Dark Side of the moon... as a matter of fact it is all dark __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

10-10-2003, 12:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	yeah.. but the "dark side" of the moon is commonly refferred to the OTHER side.. the part the telescope cannot see... so what about that part? Not to mention.. if its in a crater.. are you sure a telescope would see it? it could be huge to the size of a human craft.. doesn't mean a telescope would pick it up.... __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

10-10-2003, 06:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
Rubyee I'm baaaaack!	Hmm, all this stuff is easy to believe and hard to believe at the same time. Let's take the lunar landing to begin with. All my life, as a child and growing up, I believed in the lunar landing. Why? Because that is what I was taught. But a couple of years ago, someone had causally mentioned that a large majority of the population disbelieved it, for obvious reasons. It is hard for me to say it, but I am starting to disbelieve it too. If they did land, did they see life? Doubt it. Do you think that after all these years, one of the men on that mission would not have come out and said what they had seen? It is the same with the whole aliens making the pyramids thing. Why couldn't it have been a big coincidence. I guess it is the same as trying to disbelieve a religion you were raised in all your life. The older I get, the harder it all is to believe. I try harder every day to believe this shit, but am slowly losing faith. __________________ You don't know from fun.

10-11-2003, 04:29 AM	#18 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Well put it this way. Do you know any friends in the military? If you have answered yes, how much information can you get out of them? I'm doubting you can get a lot. They are ordered to shut up, and they follow. If you saw alien life, the gov't would get on your ass and make sure you don't say a damn word. For various reasons at that. The first is for a world wide Panic. I mean do you really want the world to panic about alien life so close to our world? Perhaps we had nothing to worry about.. because in fact they haven't exactly taken over the world as we see it, so panic would have just been stupid. Second? Perhaps that was merely gov't testing. Would you want word out to the world that the mission to the moon was merely a distraction.. while we were really there already setting up a base? If we didn't try to beat them, something woulda looked fishy, so it coulda simply been a distraction as well. I'd say more, but those are actually pretty broad in and of themselves. I could give more, but you'll still have those two reactions somewhere... oh wait there is a third.... Third, The world at large things USA is shit. Complete Utter Shit. Would you want to risk panicking part of the world, while letting you reputation turn to shit as the rest of the world who isn't scare, now thinks you (the country) is insane? Not a good idea. So there are the three broad categories, one of them would be bound to come up. If you can think of a fourth do tell and I'll see what I think, but it makes complete sense to me that things wouldn't have been said. Some things just won't be said and we have people around to enforce that. If you're willing to say there were aliens there.. and there are only so many people to back you up, AND you're risking your life to say it.. are you still willing? Not many people are.. which means even LESS people are there to back you up.. the odds start looking bad for you. I think it'd be amazing no matter what the reason was, but I understand completely why it isn't common knowledge. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

10-15-2003, 08:12 AM	#19 (permalink)
jujueye alpaca lunch for the trip Location: in my computer	Seems to me that we dont go there anymore because we've already done it. And maybe because there really is nothing there that is all too interesting to view. I'd sure like to believe the alien stuff, but they would have stopped by already, so we can take that off the list.

10-18-2003, 01:16 PM	#20 (permalink)
hlprmnky Upright Location: MN, USA	Going to the moon is helluva expensive, and there's not much science left to do there that wouldn't require a massive investment (e.g., permanent human presence) for uncertain return. As far as it taking seven years or so to get back to the Moon, that's true only because the mission-specific plans for doing it are now going on 40 years out of date. There was a really good article about this linked off of Fark last week, IIRC. Basically, the Space Shuttle isn't up to the task of taking a lander to the Moon and back, and the Saturn V/Apollo plans are all reliant on hundreds of thousands of parts, even things like washers and bolts, that aren't manufactured any longer. So, it isn't possible to re-create the Apollo missions without tons of time and expense, but that doesn't mean we couldn't put a goodly-sized unmanned probe (or a new manned lander design) on the moon in short order, either with Titan or Energia rocket, or assembling a craft using the ISS as a staging area. As far as alien ruins on the moon... much as the 'it all happened on the dark side of the moon' hypothesis is interesting, my lunar globe shows the location of Tranquility Base as being nicely within the area we can see from Earth. I should think that any sizeable ruins would have been noticed by even reasonably-dedicated amateur astronomers by now. For myself, I just hope that China's successful mission re-focuses some part of our military on the importance of a presence in near-Earth space, since that seems to be the only way our society can be convinced to bother with the expenditure of effort required to pursue knowledge and discovery beyond our own little bubble. Maybe that's what any visiting aliens are waiting for - an end to our introverted navel-gazing. Maybe you have to start doing more than looking up and saying "I wonder what's out there" before you get your subscription to the Encyclopaedia Galactica.

10-18-2003, 01:52 PM	#21 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Good points man. Yeah why say "hi" until you can meet them halfway by actually leaving the damn planet. Sure you'd think we'd see ruins.. but with its thin atmosphere it gets lots of meteoric holes ... Personally I think you'd be A LOT safer UNDERGROUND if you were to live on the moon. You can see all the holes from rocks hitting it with a telescope, would you really want to set up a base on the surface? Bases aren't exactly the size of a jeep or anything. This is alll very interesting tho... GakFace asks for his subscription to the Encyclopedia Galactica. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.