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WhoaitsZ · 08-13-2003, 10:02 PM

but i think it belongs here:

An insane person is someone who believes his ragdoll is Bill Gates.
An insane person is sad because nobody likes her pink elephant.

A person we may not understand see visions like myself.

People who are plagued by demons are poor souls who are either haunted or literally plagued by demons.

The spiritual realm is hard for folk to grasp because it is something people can’t get. Out of unacceptance comes fear and a snobbish persona and/or a mind who is set in their ways and willingly deny their chance for mental evolution.

The problem is not sanity. The problem is a society that has declared that if you see life differently we must medicate you.

So sane people say. Take this pill, sure, it will drasticly change your brain chemistry but it helps (shhh be like us or be sedated). Society creates asylums for real insane people who need help but lose their focus and end up throwing anyone who draws outside the lines in a room.

So. Is the person who simply wants you to acknowledge her pink elephant the crazy one, or the one people who give her mind altering chemicals and straight jackets because they are different the crazy one?

A lot of people may think I am being over defensive. But. . . how would you act if I called you shit crazy insane if you told me what you saw but I’m blind so I can’t see it which means you’re obviously nuts?

What is crazy is not the patients, I fear. What is insane are those willing to fuck with someone to make them another unspecial lamb in a flock of sheep.

GoldenOuroboros · 08-13-2003, 10:23 PM

I think you may get mixed reactions from this Z

But still nonetheless. I think there maybe cases where the medication is needed, but others where it definetly isn't and these people are actually seeing somewhere else. Do I think it's wrong that these ones undeserving of the meds are forced to take them, yes, but what can we do?

I had bipolar at one stage and was greatly depressed and eventually took meds for that. I'm over that. But I do sometimes hear things and see things that are 'outside' the square of daily life. I don't tell no one so yeah..

But either way good

Why aint you sending it to your friend?

WhoaitsZ · 08-14-2003, 12:28 AM

because my friend will read it here anyway.

mixed reactions are what conversations are for.

and i myself am on Zoloft.

my biggest point i tried to portray is this; people play the crazy card on people way too easily if they are a bit unique.

it just... it makes me angry that someone like myself has to stay silent in fear of people's reactin.

understand?

GoldenOuroboros · 08-14-2003, 12:49 AM

comprende

eyeronic · 08-14-2003, 07:52 AM

Agreed on some parts, Z. I think that some people find life a lot more difficult and frusterating without meds. I have taken a few different meds in my day and some made me a happier camper.

I also know that it totally sucks to have to take meds every day for the rest of your life as do some people I am very close to. I wouldn't say they are crazy, but it helps keep them on the same level as people around them. It is a basic human desire to want to fit in with those around you. As much as our society pushes the importance of being "you" and being a "unique individual," this only goes so far. By no means do I think you shouldn't think for yourself, but I think interaction with other people necessitates some level of compatibility.

I think the bottom line is that the meds are there to help the person themselves, not to confine them and make them miserable.

An interesting situation arises when the person swears they don't want to take the meds, but if they don't they have delusions of grandeur and believe that they don't need to eat or sleep and that they are "God on Earth." It is impossible for friends and family members to avoid doing everything they can to get the person on meds that bring them back to their "normal" selves. The fact is, sometimes people really don't know what's best for them. It is a royally fucked up situation, but I for one am glad that there are meds to keep some of my friends from killing themselves or merely slipping into a hermit-like lifestyle that shuts everyone out.

I hope this is useful to you as it is something I am very conflicted about, but have done a great deal of thinking about. Cheers Z. Very thought provoking thread.

WhoaitsZ · 08-14-2003, 09:59 AM

there has always been and always will be exceptions to rules, eye.

one thing about society i find both interesting and distressing is its demand to want people to be who they want them to be.

sure, society should be the main factor due to the many above one. however, in the last few decades, society has turned so much more selfish. so i am speaking for those who say 'sorry, but you and your social rules can fucking die'.

society always uses people and sometimes it has to. and sometimes individuals must say "I will not follow your views".

if a perso is bringing o harm to anyone i don't care if they think they are the second coming of Alf.

i'm tired of seeing people kneel to society when society is simply being greedy and self centered.

eyeronic · 08-18-2003, 09:22 AM

I understand your ire Z. And truly you are right. The meds are for the patient not for the people around them.

mastboy4 · 08-20-2003, 09:34 AM

mm huh???

LaZy · 08-26-2003, 09:00 AM

Bravo!

/me claps really loud and whistles

Johnny Rotten · 08-26-2003, 12:35 PM

I read an account in a book of non-fiction medical stories (It's unfortunately packed away in a box at the moment) of a school teacher who was absolutely ferocious if she forgot to take her lithium. An extreme example, to be sure, but it definitely made me understand the need for medication in certain cases. Overall, however, we are truly, truly an over-medicated nation. Prozac, Xanax, Zoloft. I wish medical marijuana could be used to treat depression, as I recall a college friend who said it was superior to anything he'd ever been proscribed (but I don't want to get into a legalization debate here

).

It's quite problematic when overworked practicioners just throw medication at people because they can't or won't take the time for a thorough diagnosis--and often won't consider psychiatric referral.

And as society moves away from spirituality and rapidly towards science, many conventionally unexplainable experiences and conditions are simply medicated, with no end in sight.

I hope the holographic paradigm of physics takes hold and ushers in a new understanding of How Things Work.

MacGnG · 08-26-2003, 02:38 PM

Z, i thank you and hope who ever this is for relizes how good a friend they have

GakFace · 08-26-2003, 05:06 PM

Damn Z, I thought I already read this, and just realized I hadn't. heh. Well I have to agree with you. It sucks how people like us cannot just share our experience with the world, because as soon as we would do so publically, we would have people calling us insane, and giving us shit to shut us up. Why? Because we don't fit their line of thinking, and to branch from that could crumble their world. Also, because we wouldn't fit the 'norm' and if meds shut us up... they don't have to worry about us. Its all so crazy now-a-days, that us "Crazy" ones aren't really the ones who are insane.

And yes I realize how things can go the other way. Its just that I shouldn't have to WORRY about saying anything. I SHOULD be able to freely say it, without knowing people will send me away for a very long time.... (because I don't fit the 'norm')

08-13-2003, 10:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	I intended to send this to a friend. but i think it belongs here: An insane person is someone who believes his ragdoll is Bill Gates. An insane person is sad because nobody likes her pink elephant. A person we may not understand see visions like myself. People who are plagued by demons are poor souls who are either haunted or literally plagued by demons. The spiritual realm is hard for folk to grasp because it is something people can’t get. Out of unacceptance comes fear and a snobbish persona and/or a mind who is set in their ways and willingly deny their chance for mental evolution. The problem is not sanity. The problem is a society that has declared that if you see life differently we must medicate you. So sane people say. Take this pill, sure, it will drasticly change your brain chemistry but it helps (shhh be like us or be sedated). Society creates asylums for real insane people who need help but lose their focus and end up throwing anyone who draws outside the lines in a room. So. Is the person who simply wants you to acknowledge her pink elephant the crazy one, or the one people who give her mind altering chemicals and straight jackets because they are different the crazy one? A lot of people may think I am being over defensive. But. . . how would you act if I called you shit crazy insane if you told me what you saw but I’m blind so I can’t see it which means you’re obviously nuts? What is crazy is not the patients, I fear. What is insane are those willing to fuck with someone to make them another unspecial lamb in a flock of sheep.

08-13-2003, 10:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
GoldenOuroboros The Cheshire Grin... Location: An Aussie Outback	I think you may get mixed reactions from this Z But still nonetheless. I think there maybe cases where the medication is needed, but others where it definetly isn't and these people are actually seeing somewhere else. Do I think it's wrong that these ones undeserving of the meds are forced to take them, yes, but what can we do? I had bipolar at one stage and was greatly depressed and eventually took meds for that. I'm over that. But I do sometimes hear things and see things that are 'outside' the square of daily life. I don't tell no one so yeah.. But either way good Why aint you sending it to your friend? __________________ Can you see me grin grin grrriiiiinnnning?!

08-14-2003, 12:49 AM	#4 (permalink)
GoldenOuroboros The Cheshire Grin... Location: An Aussie Outback	comprende __________________ Can you see me grin grin grrriiiiinnnning?!

08-14-2003, 07:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
eyeronic I run E. Location: New York	Agreed on some parts, Z. I think that some people find life a lot more difficult and frusterating without meds. I have taken a few different meds in my day and some made me a happier camper. I also know that it totally sucks to have to take meds every day for the rest of your life as do some people I am very close to. I wouldn't say they are crazy, but it helps keep them on the same level as people around them. It is a basic human desire to want to fit in with those around you. As much as our society pushes the importance of being "you" and being a "unique individual," this only goes so far. By no means do I think you shouldn't think for yourself, but I think interaction with other people necessitates some level of compatibility. I think the bottom line is that the meds are there to help the person themselves, not to confine them and make them miserable. An interesting situation arises when the person swears they don't want to take the meds, but if they don't they have delusions of grandeur and believe that they don't need to eat or sleep and that they are "God on Earth." It is impossible for friends and family members to avoid doing everything they can to get the person on meds that bring them back to their "normal" selves. The fact is, sometimes people really don't know what's best for them. It is a royally fucked up situation, but I for one am glad that there are meds to keep some of my friends from killing themselves or merely slipping into a hermit-like lifestyle that shuts everyone out. I hope this is useful to you as it is something I am very conflicted about, but have done a great deal of thinking about. Cheers Z. Very thought provoking thread. __________________ I hold with those that favor fire.

08-18-2003, 09:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
eyeronic I run E. Location: New York	I understand your ire Z. And truly you are right. The meds are for the patient not for the people around them. __________________ I hold with those that favor fire.

08-14-2003, 12:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	because my friend will read it here anyway. mixed reactions are what conversations are for. and i myself am on Zoloft. my biggest point i tried to portray is this; people play the crazy card on people way too easily if they are a bit unique. it just... it makes me angry that someone like myself has to stay silent in fear of people's reactin. understand?

08-14-2003, 09:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	there has always been and always will be exceptions to rules, eye. one thing about society i find both interesting and distressing is its demand to want people to be who they want them to be. sure, society should be the main factor due to the many above one. however, in the last few decades, society has turned so much more selfish. so i am speaking for those who say 'sorry, but you and your social rules can fucking die'. society always uses people and sometimes it has to. and sometimes individuals must say "I will not follow your views". if a perso is bringing o harm to anyone i don't care if they think they are the second coming of Alf. i'm tired of seeing people kneel to society when society is simply being greedy and self centered.

08-20-2003, 09:34 AM	#8 (permalink)
mastboy4 Crazy Location: Mexico	mm huh??? __________________ Ignorance Is Bliss

08-26-2003, 09:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
LaZy Crazy Location: AZ	Bravo! /me claps really loud and whistles __________________ Ideas pull the trigger, but instinct loads the gun. I know who you are!

08-26-2003, 12:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
Johnny Rotten lost and found Location: Berkeley	I read an account in a book of non-fiction medical stories (It's unfortunately packed away in a box at the moment) of a school teacher who was absolutely ferocious if she forgot to take her lithium. An extreme example, to be sure, but it definitely made me understand the need for medication in certain cases. Overall, however, we are truly, truly an over-medicated nation. Prozac, Xanax, Zoloft. I wish medical marijuana could be used to treat depression, as I recall a college friend who said it was superior to anything he'd ever been proscribed (but I don't want to get into a legalization debate here ). It's quite problematic when overworked practicioners just throw medication at people because they can't or won't take the time for a thorough diagnosis--and often won't consider psychiatric referral. And as society moves away from spirituality and rapidly towards science, many conventionally unexplainable experiences and conditions are simply medicated, with no end in sight. I hope the holographic paradigm of physics takes hold and ushers in a new understanding of How Things Work.

08-26-2003, 02:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
MacGnG Know Where!	Z, i thank you and hope who ever this is for relizes how good a friend they have

08-26-2003, 05:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Damn Z, I thought I already read this, and just realized I hadn't. heh. Well I have to agree with you. It sucks how people like us cannot just share our experience with the world, because as soon as we would do so publically, we would have people calling us insane, and giving us shit to shut us up. Why? Because we don't fit their line of thinking, and to branch from that could crumble their world. Also, because we wouldn't fit the 'norm' and if meds shut us up... they don't have to worry about us. Its all so crazy now-a-days, that us "Crazy" ones aren't really the ones who are insane. And yes I realize how things can go the other way. Its just that I shouldn't have to WORRY about saying anything. I SHOULD be able to freely say it, without knowing people will send me away for a very long time.... (because I don't fit the 'norm') __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.