m0ntyblack

Cool, I'm glad this section is here, I really like paranormal stuff

Anyway, a few years ago I read some article that mentioned something called the "Philadelphia Experiment" where back in the 50s I believe, they were trying an invisibility stunt with electro-magnetic fields, and the ship they were testing it on poofed out of the harbor it was in, showed up in a completely different spot, and poofed back, missing a bunch of crewmen. Apparently, it was a very public display. Unfortunately, as I tried to find out more info on it, a lot of the leads I had came up empty. I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about it.


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Junchbailey

http://www.hostileinvader.com/Philad...xperiment.html

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/ritson/philadelphia/

A couple of interesting links on the subject. Apparently, the purpose of this was to make the Navy's ships invisible by bending the light around them. While the ship did disappear, some say it actually traveled through time, and not just became invisible.

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Omar12

I read an article about this about a month ago.
Very interesting...that they went like 40 years 30 years to the future and that some crew members were stuck in the ships structure and other trapped in time.

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tinfoil

That's quite interesting. I would have to side with the thermal wave idea as I don't think that there is yet a unified theory, and I hardly doubt the US government could keep such a thing secret for this long.

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^ I think they would, the implications of not doing it could be way to big. What if North korea or china got ahold of this, it could be a nice big ol assult/nuke launching from anywhere...i think they would keep it secret, i would like to read more on the subject...

Halx

I remember the X-Files episode where they played this out on a passenger ship. The whole concept remains too far fetched for me to trust, along with most of the other things in this forum. Remember, people back 50+ years ago were a tad bit less rational than we are today. Remember War of the Worlds? People can see and hear anything they might not understand and believe it to be something incredible.

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Jasmar

I wouldn't say less rational, if an alien invasion suddenly poped up on cnn with digitally edited video and chances are in the confusion the other news stations would pick it up and pretty soon a lot of america is hiding in their basements from fear of martian invasion

m0ntyblack

True, Jasmar, very true.

And, in a way, (to torture the cliche) I want to believe.


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Xell101

Does't seem implausible

TheKak

Thermal fields may cause a ship to "seem" to disappear, but it would still be easily detected by radar, so that doesnt really seem like an idea the military would be after to use aboard ships.

Looften

The military made a moderately sized warship that was designed to be invisible to radar. It looked like an elongated pyramid and had a similar appearance to stealth fighters. I remember seeing a discover channel documentary on it.

After only testing it at night, after it was completed they took it out of the bunker and drove it around the city's shore. However, this ship was not at all invisible to sight, and I believe it was in California. They took it out and drove it around without letting the public have warning, so it must have been a strange sight, perhaps this story has been twisted by fanciful minds.

Speed_Gibson

that was a good movie (even if the sequel sucked horribly) - would not surprise me if there was at least some grain of truth behind the true event.

liquid_dreams

humm i must think about this........ seems to have a bunch of reasing behind it and the military and government keeps a bunch of shit away from us so i bet that it could happen..... remver that i'm not saying it did

MSD

I do not doubt that it was attempted. I can believe that they managed radar invisibility, and possibly even disguised it so that it was not readily visible at night, but I have to question whether something like that could have the side effect of time travel.

Looften

I doubt it. If the technology was available to do so, why start with a warship? Why a warship with a life crew? Why a publically known warship? And we really haven't seen hide nor hair of such technology after the potentional experiment.

Tickford

I did enjoy the movie......

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rev_skarekroe

Actually, what they were attempting to do was cross into the 8th Dimension, which is the space IN-BETWEEN the sub-atomic particles of solid matter. The first experiment of this nature, conducted by Toichi Hikita and Emilio Lizardo in 1938, was only semi-succesful. Lizardo did partially breech the 8th Dimension, but was driven mad as a result. Albert Einstein's work on the problem resulted in another unfortunate incident, the Philadelphia Experiment discussed above. A tragic explosion during a 1955 experiment claimed 3 lives, including scientist Masado Banzai, and halted 8th Dimensional experimentation for nearly 30 years. Then, in 1984, Banzai's son Buckaroo achieved the first fully succesful trip to the 8th Dimension and back via rocket car.
So there you have it.
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seretogis

I remember reading about it, it was actually pretty neat looking. Like a stealth fighter on skis.



The story of the Philadelphia Experiment most likely is not related to the "Sea Shadow", as it was developed in the mid-80s (by Lockheed Martin), and the PE story was around before then.

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In all seriousness, I think that the Philadelphia experiment probably did actually happen. The U.S. government has a long and documented (if not well-documented ) history of screweing with things it doesn't fully understand. A few that come to mind are:

Project Blue Book for UFO research.

Project Star Gate for ESP/Remote viewing spy research.

Both of which are know to have officially existed, but details are scarce because the stuff is classified above top secret. Now why would supposedly failed experiments need to be that guarded? What did they find out that's so terrible?

BentNotTwisted

I don't understand why they would try the experiment on something so large. Wouldn't it make more sense to try it on a dingy or something and work your way up to something bigger? Then again, when has military testing made sense.

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Blue Book was just a goveernment front for covering up Real UFO sightings... Even then, about 20% of Blue Book cases were listed as unexplained.

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Lies! That filthy Banzai would never have made it through to the 8th dimension if he hadn't stolen the original design for the oscillation overthruster from the imminent scientist, the aforementioned Dr. Emilio Lizardo, who was not mad, simply light years ahead of the degenerate primates infesting this planet.

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It's all a bunch of BS..... ( or is it? )

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NotMinus

Show me some explanation for or about the unfied feild theory (or anything to prove what these scientists acheived outside of paranormal webstites)

Johnny Rotten

According to much theory I've heard revolving around Blue Book was that it was actually a small, publicized sliver of a mountain of investigation into intelligent extra-terrestrials. With a heavy grain of salt, I direct you to this website which purports to contain genuine documents from Majestic 12:

http://www.majesticdocuments.com/

There's a lot of reading, but each document has a summary so you can skip the stuff that sounds boring. It's at the very least and entertaining and thought-provoking read, and there are plenty of related documents on the site, such as discussions of a crash seven years before Roswell that occured I believe in Missouri, allegedly.

On a side note, for those of you who have been following the holographic paradigm discussion in Tilted Philosophy, the seemingly sudden appearance of ETs during this time frame should be cast in a much more intriguing light--what with some fringe scientists claiming that a sufficiently powerful nuclear explosion can actually cause ripples in spacetime and violent local fluctuations in gravity.

Fire

most of what I've heard did not involve time travel- just a completely unplanned dimensional sidestep- as to why not try it on a small boat- supposedly it required lots of power- beyond that I cant find much of anything...

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hundred-peons

Yeah I read about this how the ship phased out of this reality when they were merely trying to generate a field that would make the ship invisible to radar.

The reports were that when the ship suddenly appeared in another port in Norfolk, then disappeared, only to reapear where it originally was in NY.

When this happened the reports were, that crew was missing, and some of the crew was half stuck in bulkheads, half stuck in the ships hull, etc. Bodies stuck between deck floors. Some of the crew spontaneously combusted, and the entire ship was surrounded in a green haze.

Then some of the men suffered radiation sickness, some went insane after the incident. The crew of the ship would sometimes after the incident, become stuck in time. The rumor was once hands were laid upon the victim of this, they returned to our reality, but for every minute they were frozen in time, days were ticking by to the victim. The longer someone was in this state the more insane it made them.

Some of the crew had abilities like being able to walk through walls, and other such oddities.

It just sounds like a bunch of BS to me. I'll look for the link I read those "stories" on, it was an interesting read.

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spurswood

The philadelphia experiment happened around august 12 1943. Apparently when the ship dissapeared it entered hyperspace and materialised in several different places at once. The crew on board became frightened and disorientated and some jumped overboard only to fall into hyperspace. When the ship reappeared some crew members were imbedded in the ships bulkhead. The ones that jumped overboard were sent into the future and appeared in 1983, where military scientists were waiting for them. They appeared in Camp Hero montauk which leads on to the montauk project where experiments in time travel and other stuff took place. All of this stuff is easy to find on the internet. The Montauk project is very interesting and opens up a can of worms to do with UFOs, mind control and underground bases.

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Sorry, i forgot to add that the time loop was to end around august 12 2003 at montauk Long Island, and there is alot of talk that this could of caused the massive blackout on the eastcoast.

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glytch

I remember seeing a show about this when I was young, I've always loved the story. Thanks for helping me remember it. Here are a few more links I found.

This first one is a couple of accounts of the experiment, http://www.navalships.org/eldridge.html

This next one is a site with a lot of information about it. They call themselves "Philadelphia Experiment From A-Z". I haven't browsed the entire site yet, but I plan to after posting this. http://www.softwareartist.net/philexp.html

Edit: Oops, it appears that last link is just a really large plug for a book. My apologies

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rev_skarekroe

I made a funny post about this a month or two ago.
Somebody go look it up, dammit!
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DownwardSpiral

About a year or two ago I was at a seminar where a head director of NASA was, really high up. He was giving a lecture and one of the things he mentioned was that he had worked on a project for the government dealing with invisibility. He said he couldn't say any more then that...

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etardedraverboy

i used to watch the moovie about this all the time as a kid

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Jonny123

That's a pretty intriguing story....I just can't buy it, hardly any of it.

Some thoughts that popped up in my head while browsing some of the links...

while toying with invisibility, that somehow stumbled upon methods of space and/or time travel???? ehh....

say they did stumble upon space and/or time travel....the chances of an unknowingly "time/space traveled" ship landing up in another dock instead of someones backyard, an interstate, etc... seem pretty damn small to me. I dunno...pretty weird though.

Atomsk

if i remember correctly the ideas behing the experiment were loosly based on einsteins theories at the time. the idea was to create such a powerfull and massive EM field that light itself would be bent around it. the truth is no one really knows what happened back then. there was a movie made about it where two crewman who jumped overboard went into the future. but that was the movie. the reality from what i've read is that when the ship appeared again it was dead in the water. when it was boarded the found several crewman missing (possibly incinerated or according to eye witness accounts the jumped overboard and were never found) those that were left behind were all severly burned and some were even found merged with the bulkheads of the ship. how they came to be that way is still a mystery according to most things i read on the subject. one theory states that the bulkheads because so hot that they were viscious and crewmen "sunk" into them. other theories state that those crewmen were "phased" into the bulkheads. either one is very strange. but the movie is a good laugh and is loosly based on the true story if your into old school sci-fi.