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Here's one
What alias did John use when checking in at hotels?

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warrrreagl

I'm completely stumped on this one. Dr. Winston O. Boogie is the only alias for John that comes to mind, but that can't be right.

I'm very curious to know.

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jimk

what religious event really pissed george & ringo off?

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warrrreagl

Here's two in a row that I do not know.

I've never heard this, but I'm anxious to learn.

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john paul being made pope.......

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by warrrreagl
[B]I'm completely stumped on this one. Dr. Winston O. Boogie is the only alias for John that comes to mind, but that can't be right.

Right on the money, as usual. The only reason i can think of is that Winston was his middle name (until he married yoko and then had it legally changed to ono.)

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Now THAT'S pretty damned funny!!

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quadro2000

Wow, what a great thread. Okay, I got one for you, a multi-part question with some easy and tricky parts.

At the end of "All You Need Is Love," an old Beatles tune is reprised.

1) What is the song?
2) What lyrics are sung? (be specific)
3) Who sings them?

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Rowan

Have two for ya:

What was the real reason John and some others left early from their excursion to India?

And do you believe the that the four of them did smoke pot at the Queens palace?

warrrreagl

During the fadeout, John sings "She loves you, yeah yeah yeah. She loves you, yeah yeah yeah," from "She Loves You."

The Beatles were also sued over a saxophone quote from a swing tune that was used during that same fadeout. It's almost incomprehensible today to consider that people used to get sued for using direct quotes from other people's music.

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warrrreagl

The Mahareshi was pursuing some rather "wordly" pursuits as he chased after Mia Farrow's tail. It tended to disillusion the boys a bit. And I've always believed the story about the pot smoking prior to receiving the MBE's, so yes, I believe it.

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quadro2000

I award you partial credit. I asked the question because there is actually a lot of controversy over who is singing those lines. First off, John also sings the word "Yesterday" right before the "She Loves You" part. Second off, I think it's been determined that both John AND Paul sing the lines together, and they actually might be singing "she loves to/she'd love to" instead of "she loves you."

This will probably be of no interest to anybody but Warrrreagl, but check out this webpage, which goes into way more detail than anybody needs...but I did find it fascinating:

All You Need Is Love: The Story So Far

Let me know what you think!

warrrreagl

Fascinating website, thanks. They touched on my reason for naming John as the singer, because I can still picture him in the film singing that part at the end. It was also a great source of irritation for the maturing Lennon that people were still begging for him to sing "She Loves You," and he was often quoted as saying that he would rather quit music entirely than have to sing "She Loves You" when he was 30.

I started a thread a while back about putting together a fantasy concert for John Lennon if he were still alive. It would be something similar to what Paul keeps doing (new stuff mixed in with all the old Beatle favorites). However, the more I think about it, the less I can ever picture John Lennon "stooping" to the level of rehashing his old Beatle songs.

I'm thankful to have seen Paul in concert singing those old tunes, but there is a certain dignity with Lennon's death in that he will never have to do that.

That may be the dumbest thing I've ever typed, but it's what I feel.

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mdib

I just found this thread when trying to find out the lyrics to "How do you sleep"... I read through it, and it's great! I hope somebody still remembers this, since the last post is a year old.. I'm a pretty new Beatles fan, I used to listen almost strictly to rap, but then I rediscovered the Beatles whom I had loved as a child (I'm 21 now).

At any rate, a little more on the Beatles on the Simpsons...

In the episode where Lisa becomes a vegetarian, she encounters Paul and Linda McCartney on the roof of the Quik-E-Mart, and they support her decision to be a vegetarian. This leads to Apu (the Indian owner of the Quik-E-Mart) doing his own rendition of Sgt Pepper. Quite funny.

In the episode where Homer reminisces about being in a barbershop quartet, there are several Beatles references... For instance the group breaks up after Barney and his eccentric Japanese girlfriend (Yoko anyone?) become distant from the other members, and record a track called "Number 8" (which just goes, 'Number 8, BELCH, Number 8, Belch, Numver 8....'). Later in the episode the group gets back together to do a concert on the roof of Moe's Tavern (a la Apple rooftop concert). During the concert a limo pulls up, the window rolls down, and George Harrison sticks his head out and says "It's been done."

Hrmm that's all that comes to mind right now about the Beatles on the Simpsons...
Interestingly, I'm watching Dumb and Dumber right now, and the two goofballs were in a diner, examining the jukebox and they say, "Hey they have the Monkeys!, You know they were a huge influence on the Beatles" hehee

Well I hope somebody reads this, and maybe this forum could get going again, cause I love taking in all this Beatles knowledge.

Thanks

warrrreagl

No one could be happier if this thread revived....

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mdib

wow, a reply! Thanks warrrreagl
Now lets hope more people notice hehe

warrrreagl

Somehow, people go through life and miss certain things that everybody else seemed to experience. As for me, I completely missed The Simpsons. I can't explain it. I don't hate them, nor avoid them. I just somehow missed them. Therefore, all of The Simpsons connections with The Beatles are news to me. Thanks.

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balderdash111

Not so much trivia as a question for a hard-core Beatles buff who likely has a strong opinion on this.

Do you think the disappointing recordings of "Real Love" and "Free As a Bird" reflect:

a) That George Martin truly was the 5th Beatle (and that Jeff Lynn didn't have what it takes)
b) That age made the members not as good as they used to be
c) That the best Beatles music came out of closer collaboration among the members throughout the songwriting process (possibly more collaboration than has been acknowledged by the Beatles themselves), and that it's awfully tough to make a "Beatles" song out of an old Lennon demo
d) The recordings were not disapointing at all, so this is a silly question
e) Other

warrrreagl

I'm somewhere in between C and D. Although I don't think of the recordings as a disappointment, they're more novelty than they are solid Beatles music. They certainly wrote and recorded a lot of crap (some of which made it to vinyl), but I don't think they would have taken these songs seriously in 1969.

Their collaboration was very real yet very covert at times. And speaking as a former performing musician, sometimes the best collaboration is a knock-down drag-out fight; something they seemed to have quite a bit throughout their time together.


On a personal note: DAMN it feels good to be answering these questions again! Quadro, God of Thunder, Craven, and others: can you smell what the Beatle is cooking??!!??

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quadro2000

I've been following the resurgence. All I can say is "Dig it."

BTW, my opinion on the recent subject is this: listening to the two newer Beatle tracks is kind of like watching the new Star Wars movies. The Beatles oevure is so revered that anything new added is bound to be a disappointment. How could anything live up to the legendary status of the Beatles catalogue?

I like both songs. I think they're both catchy. I don't love them. I suspect some of that has to do with Lennon's demos - they're in such bad shape that the distance between John and the other three is really painfully obvious. I know I shouldn't expect anything better from it, but I heard these songs shortly after hearing "Made in Heaven," the album made by Queen after Freddie Mercury died, and that one was done so masterfully. (Yes, I know that Freddie recorded those songs in 1991 and not way back when, like John did...but still.)

I don't know why they didn't use George Martin. (Do you, warrrreagl?) I think Jeff Lynne does what he always does: makes 'em sound like Wilbury tunes. (It's that damn snare drum!)

For what they are, they're good tracks, and it's nice to hear those harmonies again. I dig 'em.

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mdib

I feel along the same lines as the above two... I like the songs, but think they aren't up to Beatles standards. It could have something to do with the lack of collaboration or with the lack of George Martin, but I tend to lean more towards the prior.

warrrreagl

This is pure speculation on my part since I've never read an official explanation as to why Jeff Lynne was used instead of George Martin, but I think it had to do with their ages. When they were lovable lads, George Martin was like a father-figure to their creativity and he guided them along into brilliance. In 1995, they were all over 50, and probably felt like they would be insulted (not the right word) to have to use the old man again. Jeff Lynne was a contemporary and equal, and they wouldn't have to fall back into a subservient (not the right word again) role to him like they would have had to do with Martin.

What would they have sounded like if they had used Brian Eno instead of Jeff Lynne?

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micah67

I'm surprised no one followed up on the very first question (unless everyone knows it already):
It's obvious you already know the answer: What was Paul's FIRST name?

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warrrreagl

James. Full name James Paul McCartney. I'm not entering the full name to be cocky, but the TFP driver won't allow me to enter a short reply of "James."

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balderdash111

While we're on the subject of George Martin...

Is George Martin still producing pop acts today?

What was the last pop album George Martin produced?

(and this is cheating on my part b/c I don't know the answers)

warrrreagl

Holy crap, this is a tough one. I'm confident that he's retired and is no longer producing. I think he retired and was knighted the same year (2000?).

However, I'm not sure what his last pop album was. I know he worked with Celine Dion in the early-90's, and I'm positive he produced Elton John's "Candle In the Wind 1997" tribute to Princess Diana. Other than that, I don't know for certain.

I knew I should have looked him up when you first started asking about him, balderdash.

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quadro2000

I don't know if this is already on this thread, but George Martin produced an album of his own, In My Life, which consisted of other artists covering Beatles tunes. That was in 1998.

It's an "interesting" album, in that you have people like Robin Williams, Goldie Hawn and Jim Carrey covering songs - plus Sean Connery doing a spoken-word "In My Life." There are some great tracks on there, though - John Williams' classical rendition of "Here Comes The Sun," Jeff Beck's instrumental "A Day In The Life," and Phil Collins does a pretty good job on "Golden Slumbers/You Never Give Me Your Money/The End." And, to be honest, Jim Carrey's take on "Walrus" is actually pretty cool.

Don't know if that counts as pop. He also produced the Broadway version of "The Who's Tommy" in 1993.

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warrrreagl

Okay, I remember that "In My Life" thing now. The only track I've heard is the Sean Connery recital, and I was so dumbfounded that I avoided listening to anything else. I also remember Martin did a "tour" to promote the album, which consisted of speaking engagements. I would LOVE to have attended one of those, but learned about them too late.

I didn't know about "Tommy." Was it a live Broadway recording, or a studio recording of the cast pretending to sing "live?"

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quadro2000

Tommy was the Original Broadway Cast Recording - so yes, it means it was a studio recording of the cast singing "live." That's the way 99% of all Bway recordings are done.

George Martin has hosted a few shows aimed towards children on the Ovation network - a 3-part series called The Rhythm of Life. The first part was rhythm, followed by melody, and then harmony. I saw part 3. Maybe it was for kids, but I absolutely loved it. Great insight from George Martin (I had no idea one of John's favorite classical artists was Ravel) and great interviews with other artists. Unfortunately it doesn't look like it's playing again anytime soon.

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roachboy

george martin did all the string arrangements for the beatles, yes?

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warrrreagl

Roachboy, I've always believed he did ALL the arranging for them (string, brass, woodwind, percussion, whatever). I remember seeing an interview with him where he described that they would come to him and say things like, "George, I want some old-fashioned sounding brass on this song, please," and it was completely up to him at that point.

I also love reading about all the non-standard ways he and the Beatles mutually discovered to record standard instruments, such as; microphones stuck down into the bells of brass instruments, microphones attached to headphones, then put around violins, vocals sent through the Leslie amp in a Hammond organ, etc.

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balderdash111

Don't count these out too quickly. I have also seen snippets of these, and I know it came on within the past month (saw it on a shared TV in the gym, so couldn't force everyone else to stay on that channel)

balderdash111

Ok, an easy one to get the questions moving again:

The authorship credit of one Beatles song has been the subject of some dispute in the past handful of years. What song is it, and why the dispute?

(I do know the answer to this one)

warrrreagl

That would be "Give Peace a Chance," which is credited to John Lennon & Paul McCartney, but Yoko wants to have Paul's name taken off since he had nothing to do with it, and it was never recorded by the Beatles.

Both Paul and Yoko are being just plain silly about the authorship disagreement surrounding several Beatles songs, as well. It basically boils down to three different controversies:
1) Paul wants to reverse the authorship credits to all Beatles songs he wrote. He and John agreed to credit all songs that either of them wrote as Lennon-McCartney no matter who actually wrote it. Paul is seeking to change all the Beatles songs he wrote to be listed as McCartney-Lennon rather than Lennon-McCartney. He even attempted to do this on the live versions of several of his recent solo tour recordings, but Yoko has blocked everything so far.
2) Yoko wants Paul's name removed from "Give Peace a Chance" since it was never recorded by the Beatles, and even though John honored the old agreement and listed it as Lennon-McCartney. It was recorded with Plastic Ono Band before the Beatles broke up.
3) If Paul won't agree to remove his name from "Give Peace a Chance," then Yoko has half-heartedly threatened to have John's name added to all the songs on Paul's first solo album "McCartney," which was released before the Beatles had actually broken up but didn't contain John's name in any of the writing credits.

They're both nuts.

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balderdash111

I stand in awe. I guess I didn't know the answer, I just knew part of the larger story.

All I knew about was a request by Paul McCartney to reverse the credits on "Yesterday" but I guess that was just part of a larger beef about all the songs he'd written.

warrrreagl

What I can't figure out is "why?" You just know neither one of them needs the money.

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CityOfAngels

Does it not matter given the fact that Wacko Jacko owns all of their songs?

pan6467

Not really, he has been borrowing against the songs for a longtime. Last I heard Sony's record division held 75% of the ownership.

I look for McCartney to buy the songs back before he dies (Paulie's worth is something like $750 Million.... it's God awful for a sub par pop song writer).

As for switching names around and so on. I think Lennon would be turning in his grave seeing how greedy everyone has gotten over their music. It's not like anyone in Lennon or Mccartney's family will be starving (or even having to truly work for that matter) for many, many generations.

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warrrreagl

Also, Michael Jackson does not actually own the songs themselves. He owns the publishing rights, which basically gives him no control over the songs, but entitles him to share in the profits.

Thanks for filling me in about Sony's growing ownership against Jackson's borrowing, because I'm not keeping up with that like I should.

For this next portion, I did in fact break one of my own Rules of Engagement and turn to some of my references for clarification. Taken from Cecil Adams...

"The last reason not to feel sorry for Paul is that if he got skunked it's his own fault. In the 60s, to avoid confiscatory British taxes, he and Lennon turned their publishing rights over to newly-organized Northern Songs, a publicly-held company in which they owned sizable but apparently not controlling blocks of stock. In 1969 music mogul Lew Grade launched a takeover bid for Northern Songs in which he offered seven times the stock's original offering price. Lennon and McCartney, feuding as usual, were unable to organize an effective defense and the company was sold out from under them. This made them even more fabulously wealthy than they already were, since their stock was now worth seven times as much. However, they were still pissed on account of, you know, the principle of the thing. The Teeming Millions can surely sympathize."

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God of Thunder

Not that I need to point anything out to you warrrreagl, but Jacko does not own the publishing right to ALL Beatles recordings, just the Northern Songs LTD portion. The Beatles as a whole still own the Apple portion.

I'm not sure where the split is, you can provide that info I'm sure. I think they started Apple right before Sgt. Pepper.

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