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Sleepyjack · 11-01-2003, 09:38 PM

Has anyone ever heard a good remix?

Cause i haven't. They seem to butcher songs terribly and only seemingly put loops and repeats in. I am not too sure about remixes of other already electronic songs, but if someone remixes a pure rock or just guitar based song it fucks it up really bad, and these people should be put in jail (i am exaggerating for effect, not being serious).

For an analogy, it's like me letting loose on the mona lisa with a pencil or marker and just scribbling shit everywhere.

I support covers of songs with some small variations or new sounds added, noramlly done by another band, but not so much all the additional loops and electronic shit. I don't really mind much techno or electronic music (i like aphex twin and others) so that's not really the issue.

Maybe i've just had a few bad exeperiences with remixes

BigGov · 11-02-2003, 12:46 AM

There are some good rap remixes, so yes, I have heard some good ones.

Loup · 11-02-2003, 05:08 AM

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Originally posted by Jimmy4
There are some good rap remixes, so yes, I have heard some good ones.

Agreed.

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Originally posted by Sleepyjack
For an analogy, it's like me letting loose on the mona lisa with a pencil or marker and just scribbling shit everywhere.

Music is not meant to be liked by everyone out there - it's all about personal tastes and moods. Same as your analogy: it sounds as if you would care if someone scribbled on the Mona Lisa; personally I wouldn't care. Everyone has differnet opinions on what they enjoy and if you don't like something in general, you don't have to listen to it.

fishin · 11-02-2003, 06:11 AM

i personally think the freak on a leash remix actually sounds better than the original. but the vast majority, as you say, stinks.

fishin · 11-02-2003, 06:11 AM

actually the why cant i be you? (cure) remix is cool too

Derwood · 11-02-2003, 06:18 AM

Marcel DuChamp apparently was 80 years ahead of you with your remix theory

Magpie0001 · 11-02-2003, 08:20 AM

I totally disagree with you. There may be heffloads of terrible remixes out there, but I think that has more to do with the shitmess of the music industry rather than the popularisation of remixing.

Gortexfogg · 11-02-2003, 09:01 AM

I don't mind remixes, but I don't usually like them either. It's the artist's choice to do what ever they want with there song. Sometimes remixing isn't always about totally rearranging the song, but they'll change levels and such to make a song sound better than the original recording.

Arc101 · 11-02-2003, 09:05 AM

The remixes I hate are the ones where all they have done is added a drum machine to the original and got some god awful singer to sing it again. I'm actually trying to think of a good remix and I can't think of one at the moment, but I can think of quite a few songs which have been destroyed by some idiot who thinks he can do a better job.

IC3 · 11-02-2003, 10:48 AM

I have heard some good remixes and some shitty ones.

There is always somebody outhere who likes them and some who don't.

Most remixes i hear are Jungle tracks...I have been dissapointed a few times, But I usually like what i hear.

phukraut · 11-02-2003, 12:58 PM

there's some nice remixes on some of the NIN singles.

Halx · 11-02-2003, 01:21 PM

Get into some Industrial. Remixes in that genre are amazingly skillful.

copymachineboy · 11-02-2003, 01:26 PM

All depends on the remix.

There a shitload of crappy Top40 to house or breaks remixes.

A lot of the time with remixes, they're just trying to squeeze as much out of the song as they can.

One thing I do hate though, is songs that are 'remixes' but sound nothing like the original. Not even the same hook or lyrics. Might as well be its own damn song....

Moskie · 11-02-2003, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by Halx
Get into some Industrial. Remixes in that genre are amazingly skillful.

Beat me to it

... Remixes and covers are really important to the genre, and I usually see them as a way for bands to show respect to other bands that influence them.

Fearless_Hyena · 11-02-2003, 01:36 PM

same goes with reggae!! remixes are crucial to reggae music. some of the best remixers around...

Shauk · 11-02-2003, 02:47 PM

most of all the coldplay - clocks (or clox as some remixers have renamed it) are really good.

gwr_gwir · 11-02-2003, 03:31 PM

There are some good remixes out there, just not many. lately, I heard a really good rock remix of "Paint it Black" (remixer unknown to me). that, and there's a bunch of good video game techno remixes on http://www.ocremix.org/index.php if you take the time to check through them.

carpal · 11-02-2003, 05:31 PM

There've been some jazz remixes that I've enjoyed, but much of the time it sees like they're done for the sake of the artist and not the music. An Autechre remix of a Tortoise song sounds to good to be true, until you actually hear it.

31Friction · 11-02-2003, 06:11 PM

Nirvana -- Smells Like Teen Spirit (Adam Freeland Remix)
Mobb Deep -- Shook Ones (DJ Zinc Remix)

I like both of those and theres ALOT more really good ones out there...

Sunrise · 11-02-2003, 09:32 PM

I've heard remixes that are MUCH better than the original songs! So yes I have heard good remixes.

Redlemon · 11-03-2003, 06:22 AM

I think "Sunchyme" by Dario G was a brilliant sampled remix of "Life in a Northern Town " by Dream Academy. It only grabs a couple of bits, and creates an entirely new song out of it.

Kurl · 11-03-2003, 07:01 AM

I hate remixes. They usually totally suck ass. But is it because we are just used to the song a particular way? i dont know. But I think that if the 'remix' were to be the original, that the song wouldn't have been a hit. hehe

wannabenakid247 · 11-05-2003, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by Sunrise
I've heard remixes that are MUCH better than the original songs! So yes I have heard good remixes.

I totally agree

to remixes!

KWSN · 11-05-2003, 05:35 PM

Snapcase released a new cd the other day with several remixes from their End Transmission album on it. They were all absolutely INCREDIBLE.

Remixes can be great if done correctly. Certain bands fuck them up and give them a bad reputation though *COUGH*BUSH*SPUTTER*LINKINPARK*COUGH*

RemyLebeau97 · 11-05-2003, 09:26 PM

If this is true then P Diddy should be inprisoned for life.

clydestinkybeef · 11-05-2003, 09:35 PM

Nine Inch Nails remixes have never been bad.

Jasmar · 11-09-2003, 06:39 AM

I liked the remix to ignition by Rkelly alot better then I liked ignition

Derwood · 11-09-2003, 06:55 AM

Does anyone know the DJ who simply mixes two songs together? I heard the CD the other day but didn't catch who it was. Examples:

"Get Ur Freak On" sung over "Faith"
"The Real Slim Shady" sung over "Keep On Dancing"

It was awesome...who is this DJ?

Redlemon · 11-09-2003, 07:08 AM

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Originally posted by Derwood
Does anyone know the DJ who simply mixes two songs together? I heard the CD the other day but didn't catch who it was. Examples:

"Get Ur Freak On" sung over "Faith"
"The Real Slim Shady" sung over "Keep On Dancing"

It was awesome...who is this DJ?

These are called "mash-ups". There are lots of people who do that, I had a couple of bookmarks but I deleted them 'cause I didn't find them to be too interesting (just my opinion).

I do recall "DJ Pantshead" being one of the artists, if that helps.

Derwood · 11-09-2003, 12:48 PM

cool. This seemed to be a store bought CD, not a collection of downloaded tracks....

Redlemon · 11-10-2003, 06:46 AM

Correction: still have some mash-ups bookmarks on my other computer:

http://4trak.net/dsico/
http://boomselection.net/

VitaminH · 11-10-2003, 10:00 AM

Puff Daddy's remix of one of my favorite zepplin songs (Kashmir) made me sick to my stomach. I remember sitting at home at my parents computer with SNL on(I was in HS at the time...) and hearing that come on...ugh.

jwoody · 11-13-2003, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by Derwood
Does anyone know the DJ who simply mixes two songs together? I heard the CD the other day but didn't catch who it was. Examples:

"Get Ur Freak On" sung over "Faith"
"The Real Slim Shady" sung over "Keep On Dancing"

It was awesome...who is this DJ?

Those two were mixed by DJ Yoda. He has three albums out of similar stuff: 'How to Cut & Paste' Vol. 1 & 2 and 'Unthugged'.

h2ogo69 · 11-13-2003, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by clydestinkybeef
Nine Inch Nails remixes have never been bad.

i was just about to say that... that goes along wiht what hal said about the industrial scene

Derwood · 11-13-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by VitaminH
Puff Daddy's remix of one of my favorite zepplin songs (Kashmir) made me sick to my stomach. I remember sitting at home at my parents computer with SNL on(I was in HS at the time...) and hearing that come on...ugh.

That wasn't a remix, it was a sample. Big difference.

Redlemon · 11-14-2003, 06:50 AM

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Originally posted by clydestinkybeef
Nine Inch Nails remixes have never been bad.

Do you mean remixes "by NIN' or "of NIN"? 'Cause I was collecting every cover and remix I could find of "Closer", and let me tell you, there were some HORRIBLE remixes out there. Lots of really good ones, as well.

Sleepyjack · 11-14-2003, 12:04 PM

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Derwood said
That wasn't a remix, it was a sample. Big difference.

What's the difference?

I though that may hvae been a cover or something anyway, the puff daddy thing of Kashmir. Although, yeah, i thought it was pretty shit.

I also heard some busta ryhmes and janet jackson today (old 1999) when i was watching a documentary/program on the creation of film clips. I can't remeber the song, but it "seemed" to borrow some of the cool samples or wahtever they're called from Aphex Twin's windowlicker song. Now, that's a creepy film clip

Tiser · 11-14-2003, 12:53 PM

Go industrial remixes. You get to hear the layering of the original tracks better, get a new take on an already electronic track.

Its interesting to look at tracks as evolutionary pieces, with multiple components that can be arranged differently, as apposed to a static song.

hahaha · 11-16-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by Halx
Get into some Industrial. Remixes in that genre are amazingly skillful.

Halx makes a good point. Theres a remix of elenor rigby by godhead that is very good, not to par with the Beatles though.

actual · 11-18-2003, 05:22 AM

Industrial remixes/covers are generally quite superior to pop/techno/rock mixes. It's just a fact. Mindless Self Indulgence (while I'm not sure what 'genre' they encompass) did a mix of Here To Stay that I enjoyed immensely, while I normally can't tolerate KoRn at all. It was good, now I appreciate both MSI and KoRn more than I did before.

EBM also has some good remixes... check out Front 242 mixing Like A Prayer, or any number of similar mixes by VNV Nation, Funker Vogt, etc.

11-01-2003, 09:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
Sleepyjack Fast'n'Bulbous Location: Australia, Perth	Remixes should be illegal. Has anyone ever heard a good remix? Cause i haven't. They seem to butcher songs terribly and only seemingly put loops and repeats in. I am not too sure about remixes of other already electronic songs, but if someone remixes a pure rock or just guitar based song it fucks it up really bad, and these people should be put in jail (i am exaggerating for effect, not being serious). For an analogy, it's like me letting loose on the mona lisa with a pencil or marker and just scribbling shit everywhere. I support covers of songs with some small variations or new sounds added, noramlly done by another band, but not so much all the additional loops and electronic shit. I don't really mind much techno or electronic music (i like aphex twin and others) so that's not really the issue. Maybe i've just had a few bad exeperiences with remixes

11-02-2003, 12:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
BigGov WoW or Class... Location: UWW	There are some good rap remixes, so yes, I have heard some good ones. __________________ One day an Englishman, a Scotsman, and an Irishman walked into a pub together. They each bought a pint of Guinness. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage, three flies landed in each of their pints. The Englishman pushed his beer away in disgust. The Scotsman fished the fly out of his beer and continued drinking it, as if nothing had happened. The Irishman, too, picked the fly out of his drink but then held it out over the beer and yelled "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT, YOU BASTARD!"

11-02-2003, 06:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
fishin Crazy	i personally think the freak on a leash remix actually sounds better than the original. but the vast majority, as you say, stinks. __________________ liberals rule. phhtt.

11-02-2003, 06:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
fishin Crazy	actually the why cant i be you? (cure) remix is cool too __________________ liberals rule. phhtt.

11-02-2003, 06:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	Marcel DuChamp apparently was 80 years ahead of you with your remix theory __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." - Willravel

11-02-2003, 08:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
Magpie0001 Nobody Loves Me Location: Irish In Madrid	I totally disagree with you. There may be heffloads of terrible remixes out there, but I think that has more to do with the shitmess of the music industry rather than the popularisation of remixing. __________________ Music is my first love & It will be my last.

11-02-2003, 09:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
Gortexfogg I and I Location: Stillwater, OK	I don't mind remixes, but I don't usually like them either. It's the artist's choice to do what ever they want with there song. Sometimes remixing isn't always about totally rearranging the song, but they'll change levels and such to make a song sound better than the original recording.

11-02-2003, 09:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
Arc101 Addict Location: Nottingham, England	The remixes I hate are the ones where all they have done is added a drum machine to the original and got some god awful singer to sing it again. I'm actually trying to think of a good remix and I can't think of one at the moment, but I can think of quite a few songs which have been destroyed by some idiot who thinks he can do a better job.

11-02-2003, 10:48 AM	#10 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	I have heard some good remixes and some shitty ones. There is always somebody outhere who likes them and some who don't. Most remixes i hear are Jungle tracks...I have been dissapointed a few times, But I usually like what i hear. __________________ "To win any battle, you must fight as if you were already dead" -Musashi

11-02-2003, 12:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
phukraut Addict	there's some nice remixes on some of the NIN singles.

11-02-2003, 01:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Get into some Industrial. Remixes in that genre are amazingly skillful. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

11-02-2003, 01:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
copymachineboy Tilted Location: Sea. \| Wa.	All depends on the remix. There a shitload of crappy Top40 to house or breaks remixes. A lot of the time with remixes, they're just trying to squeeze as much out of the song as they can. One thing I do hate though, is songs that are 'remixes' but sound nothing like the original. Not even the same hook or lyrics. Might as well be its own damn song.... __________________ Kenny: "He rode that pole all the way to the end!!" Vic: "Thats the only way to ride pole, Ken. All the way to the end." -MXC Announcers

11-02-2003, 01:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
Fearless_Hyena Hello, good evening, and bollocks. Location: near DC	same goes with reggae!! remixes are crucial to reggae music. some of the best remixers around...

11-02-2003, 02:47 PM	#16 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	most of all the coldplay - clocks (or clox as some remixers have renamed it) are really good.

11-02-2003, 03:31 PM	#17 (permalink)
gwr_gwir Crazy	There are some good remixes out there, just not many. lately, I heard a really good rock remix of "Paint it Black" (remixer unknown to me). that, and there's a bunch of good video game techno remixes on http://www.ocremix.org/index.php if you take the time to check through them. __________________ Being intelligent is not a felony. But most societies evaluate it as at least a misdemeanor. -- Robert Heinlein

11-02-2003, 05:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
carpal Upright	There've been some jazz remixes that I've enjoyed, but much of the time it sees like they're done for the sake of the artist and not the music. An Autechre remix of a Tortoise song sounds to good to be true, until you actually hear it.

11-02-2003, 06:11 PM	#19 (permalink)
31Friction Addict Location: STL, MO	Nirvana -- Smells Like Teen Spirit (Adam Freeland Remix) Mobb Deep -- Shook Ones (DJ Zinc Remix) I like both of those and theres ALOT more really good ones out there... __________________ "Saints need sinners." Alan Watts

11-02-2003, 09:32 PM	#20 (permalink)
Sunrise Crazy Location: Melbourne, Australia	I've heard remixes that are MUCH better than the original songs! So yes I have heard good remixes.

11-03-2003, 06:22 AM	#21 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	I think "Sunchyme" by Dario G was a brilliant sampled remix of "Life in a Northern Town " by Dream Academy. It only grabs a couple of bits, and creates an entirely new song out of it. __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

11-03-2003, 07:01 AM	#22 (permalink)
Kurl Upright	I hate remixes. They usually totally suck ass. But is it because we are just used to the song a particular way? i dont know. But I think that if the 'remix' were to be the original, that the song wouldn't have been a hit. hehe

11-05-2003, 05:35 PM	#24 (permalink)
KWSN green	Snapcase released a new cd the other day with several remixes from their End Transmission album on it. They were all absolutely INCREDIBLE. Remixes can be great if done correctly. Certain bands fuck them up and give them a bad reputation though COUGHBUSHSPUTTERLINKINPARKCOUGH __________________ Your arms are broken!

11-05-2003, 09:26 PM	#25 (permalink)
RemyLebeau97 I stole my boyfriends TFP, hehe !! Location: Galveston, TX	If this is true then P Diddy should be inprisoned for life.

11-05-2003, 09:35 PM	#26 (permalink)
clydestinkybeef Loser	Nine Inch Nails remixes have never been bad.

11-09-2003, 06:39 AM	#27 (permalink)
Jasmar Crazy	I liked the remix to ignition by Rkelly alot better then I liked ignition

11-09-2003, 06:55 AM	#28 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	Does anyone know the DJ who simply mixes two songs together? I heard the CD the other day but didn't catch who it was. Examples: "Get Ur Freak On" sung over "Faith" "The Real Slim Shady" sung over "Keep On Dancing" It was awesome...who is this DJ? __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." - Willravel

11-09-2003, 12:48 PM	#30 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	cool. This seemed to be a store bought CD, not a collection of downloaded tracks.... __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." - Willravel

11-10-2003, 06:46 AM	#31 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	Correction: still have some mash-ups bookmarks on my other computer: http://4trak.net/dsico/ http://boomselection.net/ __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

11-10-2003, 10:00 AM	#32 (permalink)
VitaminH An embarrassment to myself and those around me... Location: Pants	Puff Daddy's remix of one of my favorite zepplin songs (Kashmir) made me sick to my stomach. I remember sitting at home at my parents computer with SNL on(I was in HS at the time...) and hearing that come on...ugh. __________________ "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte

11-14-2003, 12:53 PM	#38 (permalink)
Tiser Crazy Location: Some big island.	Go industrial remixes. You get to hear the layering of the original tracks better, get a new take on an already electronic track. Its interesting to look at tracks as evolutionary pieces, with multiple components that can be arranged differently, as apposed to a static song.

11-18-2003, 05:22 AM	#40 (permalink)
actual Banned Location: the frozen wastelands of the North	Industrial remixes/covers are generally quite superior to pop/techno/rock mixes. It's just a fact. Mindless Self Indulgence (while I'm not sure what 'genre' they encompass) did a mix of Here To Stay that I enjoyed immensely, while I normally can't tolerate KoRn at all. It was good, now I appreciate both MSI and KoRn more than I did before. EBM also has some good remixes... check out Front 242 mixing Like A Prayer, or any number of similar mixes by VNV Nation, Funker Vogt, etc.