A Perfect Circle Thirteenth Step album of the year - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Jesus Pimp · 09-11-2003, 08:31 AM

As if there was any competition..

It's been leaked, it's awesome! Support A Perfect Cirlce by buying the cd when it comes out this tuesday!

tinfoil · 09-11-2003, 08:57 AM

Ohhhh ya.. can't wait for this one. RIAA or not, I'm buying it.

Fallen · 09-11-2003, 11:50 AM

This will be the first CD purchase in over a year for me. Perfect Circle just plain kicks ass. I'm actually excited for the new CD.

coke babies · 09-11-2003, 12:08 PM

I will probably be going against the tide here, but I really didn't like it. I found it to sound like an album full of Tool filler. Granted, it's better than a lot of stuff being released, but for a Maynard album, it was a let down.

maximusveritas · 09-11-2003, 01:10 PM

I have a policy against downloading songs of bands I love before the album is released, so I'm gonna wait to buy the CD. The waiting is almost unbearable though.

meff · 09-11-2003, 04:21 PM

I personally like Mer De Noms better, the new one as people said here sounds alot like Tool, so be prepaired.

Not that I am saying Tool is bad, I love Maynard, but.. this doesn't sound alot like APC

Jesus Pimp · 09-11-2003, 07:01 PM

I don't get some of you people. If you're a Tool fan you like APC. If you like APC you like Tool.

Cobalt_60 · 09-11-2003, 08:04 PM

I was a tool fan before I was an APC fan. But yes I do love both. And Thirteenth Step is very nice. I only wish I could purchase it direct from them. I will be buying it the day it comes out.

brandon11983 · 09-12-2003, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by coke babies
I found it to sound like an album full of Tool filler. Granted, it's better than a lot of stuff being released, but for a Maynard album, it was a let down.

It's not a Maynard album. Its an A Perfect Circle album. Tool and APC are 2 completely different bands. I quite like the album and will buy it as soon at it's released.

saut · 09-12-2003, 12:09 PM

I just downloaded it (don't worry, I'll be buying it as soon as it comes out, but I just can't wait that long!) and I love it. The vocals in The Package are incredible.

After listening the the album a few times over, I hate to say it, but I'm sort of disappointed. There are some great songs, I especially like The Package, Blue, and Pet, however, most of the other songs strike me as bland and uninteresting. I'm really hoping that it grows on me, because I'm pretty sure I didn't like Mer de Noms much the first few times I heard it... but now I think it's one of the best CDs I own - hopefully the same happens with Thirteenth Step.

Also, TS seems like a headphones kind of CD, and I have yet to listen to it with anything except my 5.1 Klipsch system, so I'm losing a lot of the softer sounding elements that seem to have a strong presence throughout the album.

meanspleen edit: cut and pasted saut's other post into this one.

frozenstellar · 09-12-2003, 10:07 PM

absolutely an amazing album. havent stopped listening to it since i got it. freaking amazing. i had my doubts with them being able to pull off something better than mer de noms, how i was wrong. this is utterly brilliant!

twiggy - had my doubts about him, he blew me away
iha - there was never any doubt he'd be perfect for the band.

rock on a perfect circle!

CyCo PL · 09-14-2003, 06:43 PM

I liked Mer de Noms more, but it's still an excellent album.

cockmonger · 09-14-2003, 08:42 PM

I love the CD. it's MUCH different then Mer de Noms. but if you didn't think that then you didn't hear the story behind MER. Billy Howedel wrote/composed most of the songs before APC was a group. then one day Maynard went in there and made them work. Billy even stated that maynard sang to songs he never thought fit vocals. So i think what 13th step is. is the band actually comming together to write the songs together. Which is some really dark and romantic material in Maynards. It is very reminescent of a tool album, but it doesn't have the same tool edge and obscureness. NONETHELESS...i havn't been in the mood to listen to anything else. (the nurse that loved me reminds me of that song at the end of opiate ... "i had a friend once he took some acid..." just a thought.)

Mr.Deflok · 09-14-2003, 08:54 PM

I saw it in the stores today, copy protection that makes it so you can't play it on OS's higher than Win95. That sucks, I listen to all my music on the PC pretty much, then again I guess I could just use the vivid trick. WIll probably pick it up later this week.

twotimesadingo · 09-16-2003, 12:48 PM

APC as in "A Perfect Circle," not the battery-backup company.

Being the courteous kind of guy I am (and I'm not; that was a blatant lie), I thought I'd let you all know that the new APC album, Thirteenth Step , is amazing.
It's very different from Mer de Noms conceptually. I'm not much into the wine-lingo, so I can't say "It has a mildly precocious taste" and have any idea what i'm talking about, so bear with me.

It's easy to see the transition from, say, "Brena," "Thomas," or "Rose" to "The Noose," "A Stranger," and "Gravity."
The melody remains slower and deeper, while transitions from one rift to the next prohibit any real use of bridges and repetitive choruses.
It's also got a few more caustic tracks, like "Weak and Powerless," and "Pet." I'd say they've become more contemplative, but by no means weaker.

Anywhoo, buy it. DL it if you must, but the CD's only $10 at Best Buy, so let the band see 15 cents or so, a gold record or two, and give 'em a reason to make more music.

Cobalt_60 · 09-16-2003, 01:04 PM

My favorites so far are The Package, Weak And Powerless (not so much now, its been played over an over on the radio), The Noose, Blue, and The Outsider.

"Disconnect and self destruct one bullet at a time! Whats your rush now, everyone will have his day to die."

stldickie · 09-16-2003, 01:15 PM

cool band, getting a lot of radio play around here

maximusveritas · 09-16-2003, 01:50 PM

There is already a thread on this topic:
http://tfproject.org/tfp/showthread....threadid=26751

In fact, this is the second time I've done this.

twotimesadingo · 09-16-2003, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by maximusveritas
There is already a thread on this topic:
http://tfproject.org/tfp/showthread....threadid=26751

In fact, this is the second time I've done this.

In fact, that thread was a promontional. You'll note that the thread creator encouraged readers/TFPers to buy it.
If you take the time to read my thread, and not just the last few sentences at the end, you'll recognize that I gave a short-and-sweet review of it. I noted some of the song titles, and compared them to older songs; I also discussed the melodic transitions from older songs to newer ones.

But thanks for your input.

stldickie, they get no radio play 'round here. There's a pointed lack of good radio stations in the Roanoke Valley area, so when hitting the "seek" button, it's a toss-up between country, oldies, and hip-hop. It's quite disappointing.

YzermanS19 · 09-16-2003, 04:11 PM

Well, I bought it today. Waited for the release and got it. Its a good album, and I must say it is different and not what I expected.

I think "The Noose" could be one of the best songs by APC.

Soothe · 09-16-2003, 04:25 PM

I have to say I was slightly let down with this new album after the first few cycles of hearings. The Package, Noose, Blue, Stranger and Weak and Powerless were the only ones that really stood out of the 12 tracks. I was expecting some of that classic APC style dark acoustic guitar but it was only in 1 track as opposed to most in Mer De Noms, this was the main reason why I was let down since I love that sound.

The sound has completely changed because they swapped bassists and 2nd guitarists with other bands. Twiggy improves their sound greatly with his style but there is diffinetly something lacking in the guitar work since Troy left.

I am not saying this isn't a good album, it's great. But I don't think it was as good as Mer De Noms, it's hard to top that. And APC is NOT Maynards band, Billy Howerdel started the band and does most of the composition and recording. Billy is the mastermind behind APC, Maynard comes in later and adds lyrics and of course gets credit. APC is really nothing like tool except for Maynard and drop D chords.

Spartak · 09-16-2003, 06:10 PM

I like Thirteenth Step better than Mer De Noms.

*gasp*

meff · 09-16-2003, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cobalt_60
My favorites so far are The Package, Weak And Powerless (not so much now, its been played over an over on the radio), The Noose, Blue, and The Outsider.

True true.. I also like those, and don't for get Pet, there are some cool guitar tweakin' in that song

cockmonger · 09-16-2003, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soothe
The sound has completely changed because they swapped bassists and 2nd guitarists with other bands. Twiggy improves their sound greatly with his style but there is diffinetly something lacking in the guitar work since Troy left.

Twiggy had nothing to do with this cd. Nor did lohner or anyone else. the band was still the original line up when recorded. If it says different in the liner notes...well i don't know. but the original news when the cd was completed was that Paz and Troy took part in the tracking.

Mr.Deflok · 09-16-2003, 10:23 PM

The inlay credits everyone from guys from NIN to Chasey Lain.

ninety09 · 09-17-2003, 07:33 AM

Aside from a few pretty cool songs, this one dissapoints me. I mean, it's not bad, it's just bland. No flavor. Nothing moves me, it's all just like background music.

flamingpeach · 09-17-2003, 07:58 AM

I was kind of blown away by the mellowness of this album, where as Mer De Noms was romantic, angsty and dramatic, Thirteeth Step gives off a quieter, happier tune. It was almost like APC was able to go into the studio and come out mostly reinvented.

In my opinion the best tracks on the album are Weak and Powerless, The Noose, A Nurse Who Loved Me, Pet, and The Outsider. Some tracks come off to me as just filler...crime and lullaby being two of them.

If you are any kind of APC fan and you're not loving this album already, I'm ready to guarantee you'll be addicted by the third time through.

And on a negative note, if you live in Canada or parts of Europe, this CD also has copyright protection. It is not playable in MP3 diskplayers, computers, and some home stereos. Good job APC.

putzy · 09-17-2003, 09:32 AM

they have come to my town twice now and ive seen them both times, killer!

sixate · 09-17-2003, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by flamingpeach
And on a negative note, if you live in Canada or parts of Europe, this CD also has copyright protection. It is not playable in MP3 diskplayers, computers, and some home stereos. Good job APC.

I keep hearing that, but I have a hard time believing that you can't rip a CD if you buy it. See pic below. I have it in MP3 format on my PC.

I love the album. It's way better than Mer de Noms.

maximusveritas · 09-17-2003, 12:41 PM

The CDs selling in America are fine. It's just the one's selling in Europe/Canada that are copy-protected. And its not the fault of APC. They have no control over that. It's the fault of their distributor over there, EMI.

Mr.Deflok · 09-17-2003, 01:47 PM

Mine is copy protected but I haven't chucked it onto any of my PC's, it says you can run it on WIndows 95 though (whoop-de-doo!)

Cardinal Syn · 09-17-2003, 05:01 PM

I picked up mine today. Man i love maynard :<

Yet another awsome album by this man.

long live Tool. :>

Melllvar · 09-17-2003, 06:06 PM

It's great! I love it! Some tracks make me think of Tool, but I know better. As for the copy protection, I too, was able to rip to mp3 with no problem. There is, however, a disclaimer telling you not to rip the album and distribute it on the net.

Xiangsu · 09-17-2003, 06:42 PM

I haven't bought an album for about six months but this one sounds like it might be my first in awhile.

Infinite Hybrid · 09-19-2003, 07:14 PM

I really wasn't expecting much (got Mer de Noms and it's good not great). I got it and surprised that's a good, if not great cd. But...I still couldn't give it Album of the Year award.

Spartak · 09-20-2003, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cockmonger
Twiggy had nothing to do with this cd. Nor did lohner or anyone else. the band was still the original line up when recorded. If it says different in the liner notes...well i don't know. but the original news when the cd was completed was that Paz and Troy took part in the tracking.

Yeh you should really look at the liner notes.

Danny [Lohner] did the guitars on The Noose as well as "additional production" on The Noose, A Stranger, Nurse and Pet.

Troy did the guitars for some songs (Package, Vanishing, Gravity), while I'm pretty sure Twiggy [Jeordie] did the bass for the entire album (as well as backing vocals on Pet), as the only part that credits Paz with anything is co-writing Gravity (along with Troy).

WhoaitsZ · 09-20-2003, 03:12 PM

damn i really must visit more boards.

so many comments. Yes, Nurse heavily reminded me of the end of 'Opiate'.

TTS is a wonderful CD, albeit not flawless.

i haven't read any buzz or 'news' on it yet, but if it like the first APC CD, Maynard gets a bit too much credit. it hurts meto say that

it's true, though.

it has a slight Toolish sound but not much. and MDM sounded nothing like TOOL besides vocally.

i bought this and the deftones this year. both are great, but a little redundant.

so... the best cd so far this year? from what i've heard, yes. best CD they could had done? no.

oh and not one heavy or sexually charged song

rrf · 09-20-2003, 05:58 PM

yep album of the year... its great
im amazed

rockzilla · 09-23-2003, 12:49 PM

I dunno about Thirteenth Step being the album of the year, but it'll be in my top 5 for sure. It's growing on me more each time I listen to it though, I guess I was expecting more of Mer De Noms.

tj2001cobra · 09-23-2003, 01:09 PM

Well, the CD has grown on me after about the 4-5th time through. I enjoy about 5-6 of the songs now. I agree with someone above who stated that a few of the songs sound like they were thrown in for filler. It seems that they kind of ran out of stuff and wanted to make sure it showed 12 tracks.

Other than that, it is a great CD. Best of the year? I dunno, but I like it.

09-11-2003, 08:31 AM	#1 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	A Perfect Circle Thirteenth Step album of the year As if there was any competition.. It's been leaked, it's awesome! Support A Perfect Cirlce by buying the cd when it comes out this tuesday! __________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard.

09-11-2003, 08:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
tinfoil Fucking Hostile Location: Springford, ON, Canada	Ohhhh ya.. can't wait for this one. RIAA or not, I'm buying it. __________________ Get off your fuckin cross. We need the fuckin space to nail the next fool martyr.

09-11-2003, 11:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
Fallen Crazy Location: Adrift In Madness	This will be the first CD purchase in over a year for me. Perfect Circle just plain kicks ass. I'm actually excited for the new CD. __________________ Overdosed on Apathy

09-11-2003, 04:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
meff Vanishing, like I do.. Location: Austin, TX	I personally like Mer De Noms better, the new one as people said here sounds alot like Tool, so be prepaired. Not that I am saying Tool is bad, I love Maynard, but.. this doesn't sound alot like APC __________________ Toy-like people make me boy-like.

09-11-2003, 07:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	I don't get some of you people. If you're a Tool fan you like APC. If you like APC you like Tool. __________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard.

09-11-2003, 12:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
coke babies Crazy	I will probably be going against the tide here, but I really didn't like it. I found it to sound like an album full of Tool filler. Granted, it's better than a lot of stuff being released, but for a Maynard album, it was a let down.

09-11-2003, 01:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	I have a policy against downloading songs of bands I love before the album is released, so I'm gonna wait to buy the CD. The waiting is almost unbearable though.

09-11-2003, 08:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
Cobalt_60 Addict	I was a tool fan before I was an APC fan. But yes I do love both. And Thirteenth Step is very nice. I only wish I could purchase it direct from them. I will be buying it the day it comes out.

09-12-2003, 12:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
saut Registered User Location: Pittsburgh	I just downloaded it (don't worry, I'll be buying it as soon as it comes out, but I just can't wait that long!) and I love it. The vocals in The Package are incredible. After listening the the album a few times over, I hate to say it, but I'm sort of disappointed. There are some great songs, I especially like The Package, Blue, and Pet, however, most of the other songs strike me as bland and uninteresting. I'm really hoping that it grows on me, because I'm pretty sure I didn't like Mer de Noms much the first few times I heard it... but now I think it's one of the best CDs I own - hopefully the same happens with Thirteenth Step. Also, TS seems like a headphones kind of CD, and I have yet to listen to it with anything except my 5.1 Klipsch system, so I'm losing a lot of the softer sounding elements that seem to have a strong presence throughout the album. meanspleen edit: cut and pasted saut's other post into this one. Last edited by meanSpleen; 09-14-2003 at 07:19 PM..

09-12-2003, 10:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
frozenstellar Without Wings Location: Australia	absolutely an amazing album. havent stopped listening to it since i got it. freaking amazing. i had my doubts with them being able to pull off something better than mer de noms, how i was wrong. this is utterly brilliant! twiggy - had my doubts about him, he blew me away iha - there was never any doubt he'd be perfect for the band. rock on a perfect circle!

09-14-2003, 06:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
CyCo PL Addict Location: Tulsa, OK	I liked Mer de Noms more, but it's still an excellent album.

09-14-2003, 08:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
cockmonger Insane	I love the CD. it's MUCH different then Mer de Noms. but if you didn't think that then you didn't hear the story behind MER. Billy Howedel wrote/composed most of the songs before APC was a group. then one day Maynard went in there and made them work. Billy even stated that maynard sang to songs he never thought fit vocals. So i think what 13th step is. is the band actually comming together to write the songs together. Which is some really dark and romantic material in Maynards. It is very reminescent of a tool album, but it doesn't have the same tool edge and obscureness. NONETHELESS...i havn't been in the mood to listen to anything else. (the nurse that loved me reminds me of that song at the end of opiate ... "i had a friend once he took some acid..." just a thought.) __________________ Lovely party Geoffery, but theres a turd in the punch bowl. -George Carlin

09-14-2003, 08:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	I saw it in the stores today, copy protection that makes it so you can't play it on OS's higher than Win95. That sucks, I listen to all my music on the PC pretty much, then again I guess I could just use the vivid trick. WIll probably pick it up later this week.

09-16-2003, 12:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
twotimesadingo Psycho Location: that place with the thing	APC APC as in "A Perfect Circle," not the battery-backup company. Being the courteous kind of guy I am (and I'm not; that was a blatant lie), I thought I'd let you all know that the new APC album, Thirteenth Step , is amazing. It's very different from Mer de Noms conceptually. I'm not much into the wine-lingo, so I can't say "It has a mildly precocious taste" and have any idea what i'm talking about, so bear with me. It's easy to see the transition from, say, "Brena," "Thomas," or "Rose" to "The Noose," "A Stranger," and "Gravity." The melody remains slower and deeper, while transitions from one rift to the next prohibit any real use of bridges and repetitive choruses. It's also got a few more caustic tracks, like "Weak and Powerless," and "Pet." I'd say they've become more contemplative, but by no means weaker. Anywhoo, buy it. DL it if you must, but the CD's only $10 at Best Buy, so let the band see 15 cents or so, a gold record or two, and give 'em a reason to make more music. __________________ I'll be the one to protect you from your enemies and all your demons. I'll be the one to protect you from a will to survive and voice of reason. I'll be the one to protect you from your enemies and your choices, son. They're one and the same I must isolate you, isolate and save you from yourself." - A Perfect Circle

09-16-2003, 01:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
Cobalt_60 Addict	My favorites so far are The Package, Weak And Powerless (not so much now, its been played over an over on the radio), The Noose, Blue, and The Outsider. "Disconnect and self destruct one bullet at a time! Whats your rush now, everyone will have his day to die."

09-16-2003, 01:15 PM	#17 (permalink)
stldickie Addict	cool band, getting a lot of radio play around here

09-16-2003, 01:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	There is already a thread on this topic: http://tfproject.org/tfp/showthread....threadid=26751 In fact, this is the second time I've done this.

09-16-2003, 04:11 PM	#20 (permalink)
YzermanS19 not your typical god-fearing junkie Location: State of Confusion	Well, I bought it today. Waited for the release and got it. Its a good album, and I must say it is different and not what I expected. I think "The Noose" could be one of the best songs by APC. __________________ the light that burns twice as bright burns half as long and you have burned so very, very brightly

09-16-2003, 04:25 PM	#21 (permalink)
Soothe Upright	I have to say I was slightly let down with this new album after the first few cycles of hearings. The Package, Noose, Blue, Stranger and Weak and Powerless were the only ones that really stood out of the 12 tracks. I was expecting some of that classic APC style dark acoustic guitar but it was only in 1 track as opposed to most in Mer De Noms, this was the main reason why I was let down since I love that sound. The sound has completely changed because they swapped bassists and 2nd guitarists with other bands. Twiggy improves their sound greatly with his style but there is diffinetly something lacking in the guitar work since Troy left. I am not saying this isn't a good album, it's great. But I don't think it was as good as Mer De Noms, it's hard to top that. And APC is NOT Maynards band, Billy Howerdel started the band and does most of the composition and recording. Billy is the mastermind behind APC, Maynard comes in later and adds lyrics and of course gets credit. APC is really nothing like tool except for Maynard and drop D chords.

09-16-2003, 06:10 PM	#22 (permalink)
Spartak Bang bang Location: New Zealand	I like Thirteenth Step better than Mer De Noms. gasp __________________ I can read your mind... looking at you... I can read your mind...

09-16-2003, 10:23 PM	#25 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	The inlay credits everyone from guys from NIN to Chasey Lain.

09-17-2003, 07:33 AM	#26 (permalink)
ninety09 Flavour of the Weak Location: Canada	Aside from a few pretty cool songs, this one dissapoints me. I mean, it's not bad, it's just bland. No flavor. Nothing moves me, it's all just like background music.

09-17-2003, 07:58 AM	#27 (permalink)
flamingpeach hip mama Location: redmond, washington	I was kind of blown away by the mellowness of this album, where as Mer De Noms was romantic, angsty and dramatic, Thirteeth Step gives off a quieter, happier tune. It was almost like APC was able to go into the studio and come out mostly reinvented. In my opinion the best tracks on the album are Weak and Powerless, The Noose, A Nurse Who Loved Me, Pet, and The Outsider. Some tracks come off to me as just filler...crime and lullaby being two of them. If you are any kind of APC fan and you're not loving this album already, I'm ready to guarantee you'll be addicted by the third time through. And on a negative note, if you live in Canada or parts of Europe, this CD also has copyright protection. It is not playable in MP3 diskplayers, computers, and some home stereos. Good job APC. __________________ I've eaten my veggies all my life so bring it on, I am educated and strong for the revolution.

09-17-2003, 09:32 AM	#28 (permalink)
putzy Crazy	they have come to my town twice now and ive seen them both times, killer!

09-17-2003, 12:41 PM	#30 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	The CDs selling in America are fine. It's just the one's selling in Europe/Canada that are copy-protected. And its not the fault of APC. They have no control over that. It's the fault of their distributor over there, EMI.

09-17-2003, 01:47 PM	#31 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	Mine is copy protected but I haven't chucked it onto any of my PC's, it says you can run it on WIndows 95 though (whoop-de-doo!)

09-17-2003, 05:01 PM	#32 (permalink)
Cardinal Syn Insane Location: Arizona	I picked up mine today. Man i love maynard :< Yet another awsome album by this man. long live Tool. :>

09-17-2003, 06:06 PM	#33 (permalink)
Melllvar Crazy Location: Anchorage, Alaska	It's great! I love it! Some tracks make me think of Tool, but I know better. As for the copy protection, I too, was able to rip to mp3 with no problem. There is, however, a disclaimer telling you not to rip the album and distribute it on the net. __________________ "They shoot without shame In the name of a piece of dirt For a change of accent Or the colour of your shirt Better the pride that resides In a citizen of the world Than the pride that divides When a colorful rag is unfurled" -Neil Peart

09-17-2003, 06:42 PM	#34 (permalink)
Xiangsu Addict Location: Illinois	I haven't bought an album for about six months but this one sounds like it might be my first in awhile.

09-19-2003, 07:14 PM	#35 (permalink)
Infinite Hybrid Crazy	I really wasn't expecting much (got Mer de Noms and it's good not great). I got it and surprised that's a good, if not great cd. But...I still couldn't give it Album of the Year award. __________________ paramedics fell into the wound like a rehired scab at a barehanded plant an anesthetic penance beneath the hail of contraband

09-20-2003, 03:12 PM	#37 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	damn i really must visit more boards. so many comments. Yes, Nurse heavily reminded me of the end of 'Opiate'. TTS is a wonderful CD, albeit not flawless. i haven't read any buzz or 'news' on it yet, but if it like the first APC CD, Maynard gets a bit too much credit. it hurts meto say that it's true, though. it has a slight Toolish sound but not much. and MDM sounded nothing like TOOL besides vocally. i bought this and the deftones this year. both are great, but a little redundant. so... the best cd so far this year? from what i've heard, yes. best CD they could had done? no. oh and not one heavy or sexually charged song

09-20-2003, 05:58 PM	#38 (permalink)
rrf Crazy Location: Clemson	yep album of the year... its great im amazed

09-23-2003, 12:49 PM	#39 (permalink)
rockzilla Junkie Location: The Kitchen	I dunno about Thirteenth Step being the album of the year, but it'll be in my top 5 for sure. It's growing on me more each time I listen to it though, I guess I was expecting more of Mer De Noms.

09-23-2003, 01:09 PM	#40 (permalink)
tj2001cobra Insane Location: Austin, Texas .. Y'all	Well, the CD has grown on me after about the 4-5th time through. I enjoy about 5-6 of the songs now. I agree with someone above who stated that a few of the songs sound like they were thrown in for filler. It seems that they kind of ran out of stuff and wanted to make sure it showed 12 tracks. Other than that, it is a great CD. Best of the year? I dunno, but I like it.