09-28-2010, 09:48 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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Erica Jong says it best...“Do you want me to tell you something really subversive? Love is everything it’s cracked up to be. That’s why people are so cynical about it….It really is worth fighting for, being brave for, risking everything for. And the trouble is, if you don’t risk everything, you risk even more.”
- Erica Jong
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09-28-2010, 10:55 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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Unconditional love means just what it says. You love the person regardless of actions or circumstances. And that's okay. Unconditional love doesn't mean staying with someone who's abusive or obsessing over someone that's left, it just describes simple love.
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09-29-2010, 02:01 AM | #7 (permalink) |
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woof!
bend over and i'll show you
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09-29-2010, 03:18 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
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I believe in unconditional love.
I feel it. It's unconditional like that's a whole lotta bullshit.
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09-29-2010, 06:04 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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Unconditional love is a viral disease from which the infected do not wish to be cured.
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09-29-2010, 06:17 AM | #10 (permalink) |
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It is a deep, untiring compassion for all living beings.
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09-29-2010, 06:37 AM | #11 (permalink) |
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But a great thing, nonetheless.
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09-29-2010, 07:30 AM | #12 (permalink) | |
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This is a topic that reminded me of this article:
http://blogs.psychcentral.com/healin...-relationship/ Quote:
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09-29-2010, 05:26 PM | #15 (permalink) |
Getting it.
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Unconditional love is what I have for my kids. Everything else, regardless of how strong it might be, is conditional love.
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09-29-2010, 06:24 PM | #17 (permalink) | |
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Quote:
I'm just messing with you. I always thought "unconditional love" as understood by the Western mind to be idealistic, which is part of the reason why I appreciate the Buddhist view.
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10-19-2010, 10:32 AM | #18 (permalink) |
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Looking down at my newborn.
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10-19-2010, 07:17 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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Yea...you don't, nor do you want to give unconditional love. Do you really want a spouse that accepts you degrading her? Or lets you get away with whatever? Do you really want to be the doormat to that beauty queen? Do you want to bail your child out of the $55k gambling debt?
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10-20-2010, 07:58 AM | #22 (permalink) |
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"Unconditional love" goes down in my brain with "soulmates" and "undying love" and "God" and "happily ever after" in the category of "wishful thinking." It'd be great if we had an all-loving Father who wanted the best for us and gave us lessons and answered our prayers and if we could find someone who was truly matched for us on souls and with whom we could love perfectly without conditions for eternity.
Turns out, life is a hell of a lot more gritty than that. Rape, spousal abuse, changing personalities, emotional blackmail, infidelity, MONEY CONCERNS, character flaws discovered late and even mental disorders (schizophrenia, for example) don't happen in Disney Princess / fairy-tale God / unconditional love land. Anyone who says they can love without conditions is lying to themselves, just like someone who earnestly believes they have a soulmate or an invisible sky daddy. I even have to object to Charlatan's 'unconditional love' for his children. I won't question HIS, particularly, but there are certainly conditions under which even the most stalwart parent will lose their love. There are stories of grieving mothers begging the court for forgiveness for their serial killer children even staring in the faces of the dead victims families, but exceptions do not make the rule. Their love would largely seem to be a mental disorder, to me. This opinion is naturally unpopular, because everyone thinks they're a unique snowflake who somehow loves stronger than everyone else, and I'm usually inundated with people saying "ooh, not me! I love unconditionally!." See above about lying to yourself. You don't realize just how conditional love is until its terrible and you're 1 month post-divorce. Then suddenly it seems clear. Love deludes you into thinking it is more permanent and perfect than it really is. P.S., not jaded, just realistic. Happily dating the same lady for half a decade now.
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10-20-2010, 12:30 PM | #23 (permalink) |
warrior bodhisattva
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Love Is Evil
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10-20-2010, 12:59 PM | #24 (permalink) |
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Holy shit, that man is awesome. He's very passionate about this, especially.. Now to go find out who the hell "Slavoj Zizek" is and where I can find more videos of his intellectual hobo rants..
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10-20-2010, 01:02 PM | #25 (permalink) |
warrior bodhisattva
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You should hear what he thinks of religion and vegetarians.
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Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot |
11-16-2010, 10:40 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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"Unconditional love is a term that means to love someone regardless of the loved one's qualities or actions. The paradigm of unconditional love is a mother's love for her newborn.
Unconditional love is often used to describe the love in an idealized romantic relationship. It may sometimes also be used to describe love between family members, comrades in arms and between others in highly committed relationships." *Taken from Wikipedia because i couldnt have said/typed it better myself. |
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