CityOfAngels

I am sooooo disappointed. Nintendo.com advertises that it can connect onto a wireless LAN, so you can use it as a messenger, and I buy it tonight only to find that by wireless LAN, they mean a LAN of up to 16 DS's, NOT a WiFi LAN. Argh!

I guess I'll just give it away as a Christmas gift.

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Church

Give it time. It does have a WiFi network adapter in it. Its going to be getting many new features in the next little while. Wireless worldwide internet play (no date on this yet, they just said soon), mp3/video player, and palm capabilities. Don't give up on it so soon. Besides, why would you buy a gaming system to use it as a messenger?

btw: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=54833

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Ganguro

wow, someone should have looked up some specs befrore the went out and bought it.
Not to sound like a prick or nothing, but if that is your only reason for being dissapointed in it, then it didnt let you down at all. The DS plays games; if you want a portable Internet device, get a pda or pocket pc. Nintendo is gearing up for the Wifi aspect of the DS to work.. but in the meantime.. you can play games on it NOW!

Though, it would make a nice xmas gift to someone i guess..

Echodork

Just pick up a PSP when it comes out. Forget the kiddie toys.

sadistikdreams

Echodork, it's definitely not a kiddie toy.
Don't go out and flame if you don't have anything to back it up.

That being said, I am thuroughly enjoying my DS. Great games, great interface, and I can't wait till the kids in my hood have them, so I can kick their punk asses.

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Bratwurst

nintendo does everything proprietary. they still use carts!

hulk

Well, excuse some of us for liking the lack of load times on handhelds.

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Bratwurst

i'm just saying that I don't find it very surprising that it doesn't work yet on conventional 802.11 wifi networks because of nintendo's history.

Church

Nope, they just think. A handheld cd would just be stupid (aka the PSP). CD on handheld = battery monger.

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Bratwurst

I didn't expect them to use carts on the handheld, I was talking about their historical use of proprietary media. IE, the carts on the Gamecube.

Stiltzkin

The... GameCube... doesn't... use carts. By "carts" you mean catridges, right? It uses those tiny CD's. Unless those tiny CD's are called carts?

I'm not looking forward to PSP and DS seems like junk. Why? Because when I'm on the road I entertain myself by reading, and when I'm not on the road and I want to play videogames, I have this awesome thing called a PS2 that has kajillionz of games for it. Plus, if I want to send e-mail or chat with my friends, I have this thing called a computer.

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Rdr4evr

*sigh* I thought this moronic idea had passed on......... apparently not.

Echodork

Ooh, I've angered the Nintendo fanbois. Struck a nerve I guess. Sorry, I didn't read the 10-page We Love the DS! thread, so I didn't know you'd already mathematically proven the DS to be the superior product.

But as for me, I already played Super Mario DS... ten years ago. And I have Spider Man 2 and Madden on my PS2. And I lack the urge to pick up Mario Kart XVII: You Can Still Powerslide! and Metroid 14: The Search for More Money. And I talk to girls in real life so I don't need any dating sims... so that just about rules out all the games currently available. The touchscreen was a cute novelty for about half an hour, but is just that... a novelty, like Virtual Boy or the Super Scope. The DS is just another gimmick product resting on the back of Nintendo's character licensing (another Mario, another Metroid, another Mario Kart...) to sell units. There's no redeeming value in buying a DS unless you're looking to play more rehashed versions of the same games Nintendo beat to death when we were kids.

Now, somebody make a joke about battery life so everybody has something to smile about

Rdr4evr

I'm not a "fanboi" (whatever that is), as a matter of fact, I'm not even going to purchase a DS (or PSP for that matter), but anyone who says Nintendo is exclusive to "kiddies" is for lack of a better word, a moron.

bal8664

Ok I'll put in my few cents here. I believe this "myth" comes from the fact that all the best games for nintendo systems are usually rated E. Theres not a single game rated M in the top 10 selling gamecube games. On the other side PS2 and Xbox have many M rated games on their top lists. Though this doesn't make nintendo systems for children necessarily, it certainly does make them more family friendly.

Echodork

Nintendo is for kiddies because Nintendo MARKETS to kiddies. Nintendo actively insists that their products are aimed at a "family friendly" audience. Nintendo also routinely turns down cross-platform titles with M ratings. Nintendo was offered GTA on the Gamecube, and declined. Relatively few M-rated Gamecube/GBA games exist compared to what's available on the other platforms. On the other hand, Nintendo poops out all the Dragon Ball Z, Pokemon, Pikmin, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Sonic, Mega Man, Mario, and Donkey Kong crap you can shake a stick at. Nintendo is like EA, they make their money by re-marketing a very small collection of franchises over and over again, because children will buy anything with Mario or Pikachu or Goku on it. If you disagree, you haven't been to Gamestop lately, or maybe you can't see over your pile of Dragon Ball Z: Budokai games.

hulk

Hell, by numbers alone, the PS2 has more 'kiddy' games. Now, to the debunking:

Dragon Ball Z is headed by the PS2, the Gamecube only has a port of the original Budokai. Pokemon is the largest selling series in a long time, and they'd be utterly stupid not to run with it. Pikmin is genius itself, Yu-Go-Oh! isn't made by Nintendo and only appears on the GBA (along with GTA, too.) Sonic is Sega, who now work for everyone, Mario is the most recognisable character in the world today and Donkey Kong has had two games to himself this generation.

Before you rant, get a clue. Perhaps you've failed to notice the fact that the Resident Evil series was signed on for Cube? That the Nintendo-published Eternal Darkness is one of the darkest, most mindfucking games around? That Geist involves possessing people against their will and causing them to shoot their comrades?

Probably not. The darker titles don't sell as well as the family titles. Think for a minute here, and pull your finger out. Their biggest sellers are family titles. They're often a lot more fun than 'mature' titles, higher quality and last longer. Why on earth wouldn't they make them?

Oh, and Dragon Ball Z:Budokai is a PS2-first series. Refer above.

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Echodork

I never thought I would have to explain Nintendo's marketing strategy to somebody who refused to believe it before.

Dragon Ball and Yu-Gi-Oh! both have more games for the GBA than for all the other systems combined. There are twice as many Sonic games available exclusively for the Gamecube than there are for the other platforms. Donkey Kong currently has two GBA titles, a Gamecube game on the market (Donkey Konga), and 2-3 more in development (bongo titles).

The Pokemon craze was invented by a Nintendo designer and licensed by Nintendo. The entire product line, cartoon series, trading card game, and marketing design originated with the production of the Game Boy games (red and blue). Now most people don't know this, so you're probably going to get your flaming hat on and insist the cartoon series came first in Japan or something, but that's the way it was. Nintendo invented Pokemon, and the cartoon series was literally devised as a way to sell more Game Boy games.

And "family friendly" titles do not sell as well as M-rated games on any system but the Gamecube and GBA. Why? Because the Gamecube is marketed to kids, and more kids own Gamecubes than other systems. Nintendo is a niche company, operating to fill the 6-14 demographic that the other systems often ignore. You can argue about it all you want, but you're just wrong, and I'm sorry that you don't have a clear picture. Instead of getting your asshole all clenched up about it, how about you go do a little research?

biznatch

damn. I haven't seen this much hating since thread "Viva la France...Not"...
so before my post I'd like to point out that I own a PS2, a N64, a SNES, a NES, and various gameboys..so don't hate on me.
I haven't had the occasion to try out the DS, really..however, while Nintendo is known by everyone to be a kid-marketing company, it's not entirely true. look at the 007 series, made the biggest hit of its time. and, a few years after, Perfect Dark had a fun multiplayer...
I don't agree with Echodork. For me, Nintendo equals
-The Turok Series
-The first console to put out a Metal Gear game
-The 007 series
-The GTA advance was confirmed for GBA
-Doom and Doom II
-The "Hybrid Heaven" game (that has it special fans group)
-And although no violence, Zelda: Ocarina of Time (greatest game ever made)
....and many more great games
so hold your hate against Nintendo

Church

Hey everyone, here's an idea, how about getting back on topic?

Okay, has anyone gotten any dead pixels in their DS yet? I had 5 come back today alone with that problem, and they said it just happened as they were playing. I haven't had any problems with my DS, so is this an isolated incident?

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sadistikdreams

I haven't gotten any dead pixels, but at least Nintendo will replace it for free.

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hulk

If you want to get technical, the GBA has 9 DBZ titles, the PS2 has seven. Wow, huge difference. And I'm quite sure there's a lot more Sonic titles on Sega consoles.

As for the rest of your post, glad to see you agreed with me. I said Pokemon was a cash cow. The spawning of spinoffs is akin to the popularity Crash Bandicoot enjoys. Donkey Kong himself doesn't have an exclusive game, I'm well aware of Jungle Beat and the Donkey Kong Country ports. I also fail to see how you thought I meant family titles overall, especially seeing as I posted in a Nintendo thread, talking about Nintendo specifically, and mentioning Nintendo consoles. Perhaps next time I'll do more to state the obvious.

You seem to be hating Nintendo for the actions of third party titles. Yo-Gi-Oh and Sonic appear because (listen closely) their independant developers made a concious decision to port/make their games for Nintendo consoles. All you need to make a game for the GBA is proof that you're serious in the endeavor and three previously completed games. My point was that the platform that Yu-Gi-Oh enjoys also sports Grand Theft Auto. If you'd care to look at ages of console owners you'd realise that eveywhere outside of Japan the average age is quite about above the 6-14 demographic. And seeing as neither of us live in Japan, what happens over there isn't really of any consequence.

The fact that most Gamecube owners care more about gameplay than pointless violence or over-the-top 'mature' features does not mean they're in their early teens.

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Rdr4evr

That last sentence by hulk pretty much sums it up.

biznatch

exactly. To add furthermore, mature gamers and the mature rating are not linked...most games rated "Mature" are enjoyed by non-mature people. Blood flying everywhere makes the joy of a teenager/early-twenties man..
But my grandfather has a lot of fun on Super Mario 3 on his NES.(and no, he's not senile).
The point I'm trying to pass thru is that age category has nothing to with the games one play. You can run around jumping on turtles, or shooting innocent civilians...And for most mature people, what matters is what's fun (and maybe, challenging). Judge not the console by the quantity of blood it displays, but by the amount of entertainment it gives you.

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t3m3st

I had the opportunity to try out Metroid on the DS, and was very, very impressed. The stylus is sorta like playing with a mouse, and I think it's the best attempt at an FPS for a non-PC since those PS2 games with USB mouse/keyboard support. I'm going to wait to see the PSP titles and play a little before I decide if I'm going to pick up one, the other, or either. I'm still a little pissed that most GBA games are SNES or NES remakes or ports. And yeah, here's Mario 64 again. As for Spider-Man 2, after playing it's console big brother, I don't think I can ever go back. So right now, I'm not ready to shell out the big bucks to buy more of the same. Metroid is awesome though.

I'm feelin' kinda lazy. What's on the DS release list? I don't wanna research, and I think it would do the thread good. Any more FPS's? DS has that stylus advantage over the PSP in the FPS area.

Oh, and how often would you have to change discs playing GTA3 on a Gamecube?
I'm guessing it would be 3 discs, one for each part of the city. Cuz golly, I sure do love switching discs!

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fhqwhgads

Do you think it would be possible to intelligently discuss your point of view without attacking members and making it personal? We at TFP would appreciate it if you could express yourself without being juvenile.

keeb

the yugi-oh line is not exclusively GBA or GC, there are yugi-oh titles on the ps2 as well.

Frosstbyte

On the subject of "kid" games that end up being a whole lot more fun than they have any right to be, let's mention Paper Mario. That game had every reason to appear as a game designed for 7 year olds, but damn if it didn't draw a crowd of Halo-loving frat boys from around my house to all sit down and play the whole damn thing. Innovative, varied gameplay, cool graphics and a storyline that any fan of the Mario series would appreciate, and nothing you'd care at all if a five year old saw or heard. Good stuff all around.

Staying "on topic" I'm not much of a handheld person. I've not been too impressed by what I've seen with the DS so far. The PSP sure looks a hell of a lot sleeker. DS seems somehow unfinished to me. I played Metroid and didn't find it to be much fun, either. Who knows. I doubt I'll be buying one regardless, but it will certainly be interesting to see how the market responds to having the DS and the PSP running around.

killeena

I like my DS, although I thought there were more games already released then there already were, but not a big deal. The only game I have for it is Mario DS, which is pretty cool IMO. I like the mini-games that come with it too, nice for road trips. I am looking forward to Advance Wars DS. (stupid name though, shouldn't it be DS Wars or something?)

I was kinda bummed about not being able to connect to a wireless LAN, but give it some time, and someone will hack something up for it.

Mr.Deflok

Well, back to the topic at hand...

I finally got my DS today, haven't had a chance yet to try out the Wi-Fi but insofar I'm loving the little thing The Metroid Prime demo is pretty neat despite it being quite dissimilar to other Metroid games, I was quite lucky in that I got a copy of Metroid: Zero Mission thrown in for free too. I'm quite impressed with the visuals, they're not PSP standard but they do the job and do it very very well. I'll be grabbing Mario and FTM very soon

So, in summation, DS: I love it!