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GTA San Andreas
As you all may know GTA San Andreas is coming soon. What would you like to see in the new game? I think that the GTA series is getting a little bland. Don't get me wrong it is one of the best titles out there but Vice City was just like GTA3 but set in the 80's. What innovations does this new installment need to have in order to keep things interesting?
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I'd really like to see an improvment in the pedestrian side of the game. I know that GTA is all about vehicles, but when I get out of the car and walk around it seems so lame.
The weapons are secondrate, can't aim worth a shit cause of the thirdperson view, even the walking controls are week. So...it would be nice to see and FPS view option and better control system when walking. |
-Being able to shoot people in cars, causing them to crash ala Mafia.
-When being chased by police be able to take people hostage at gun-point -Ability to take a plane to visit other places on the world map I'll think about some more.... |
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Multiplayer!
I know some nice people are working on an addon for GTA3 and Vice City that allows multiplayer, but it can never be as good as if the game makers themselves designed it. Coop single player would be fun, too. One person could drive the car while another shot out of the window at cars trying to chase them down. Special missions could be designed to use two players at once, etc. |
You can already shoot people in cars in Vice city i think. Try using a sniper rifle and aim at their heads
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GTA always brings something to the next version that keeps it interesting.
GTA 1- The original, one of the most entertaining games on the PSX GTA 2 - Introduction of the gang system GTA 3 - Behind third person view GTA 4 - Return of motorcycles, ability to buy property Rockstar will figure something. I bet they will try to take the step to make the game free-form so you can do whatever you want. What I would look for is the ability to rob banks, rob stores (not just point a gun, I mean more interactive), and possibly the ability to wage war against other gangs by recruiting various low-lifes and just have a massive shootout. |
It won't be too different that GTA 3 or VC since it is still based on the GTA3 engine. I'm still totally looking forward to it.
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And yup, lose control and smack the ho's on the side the roads over. |
No, Rockstar have confirmed they're using the GTA3 engine again. Try a search on GameSpot or somewhere, I'm to slack to find an article =)
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I LOVED the 80s theme of VC, but I agree that another use of the GTA3 engine will have to have something really fun. Yeah, I'd like more group stuff like they had in 2 where you brought guys with you. They did that a little bit in VC but I'd like to see it expanded. |
I do agree that a little more emphasis on the pedestrian side of the game would help, but Vice City was pretty much flawless imo. There really wasn't a whole lot of loose ends when it came to the game, and I really didn't see a whole lot of areas for improvement. Altho, the suggestions above were something I was going to post, maybe just bring the realism factor up a few notches, more properties to buy, etc.
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-More interaction with the gaming environment i.e go into more buildings, pick up objects, etc...
-More interaction with characters. -More variety of vehicles, peds, weapons, etc.. -RPG elements like learning skills, increasing stats, etc.. -Option to create your own character or have a choice of other characters to use. |
The only problam facing the next GTA is the hardware limitation of PS2. Current games probably use 90% of the graphical power of PS2, so any dramatic improvements in San Andreas will be difficult.
But like Jimmy4 mentioned, GTA series has always be the most origional and innovative serie, so San Andreas will be definatily be a big improvment from Vice City. |
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GTA series is hardly original nor innovative. The series is just evolving from overhead 2D to 3D. |
I also really wish they would develop it for a faster system, get the most out of the game, then port it with a chopped down version to the PS2 so it can be playable on that system... why do they cater to the lowest common denominator? it doesnt make sense!
oh well... at least there are graphical improvements in the PC ports, and that makes me a happy man in any case |
I don't get what all the fuss is about buying property.. you can't do anything with it. It's just another save point. It's not like it gives your power more influence or recognition.
I think the Pole Position Club was the only semi-useful once since you could get $4k a day from it once you acquired the asset. I want some kind of ability that lets you bribe cops. I'm talking about.. pay $X and you're free to do whatever you want for Y amount of minutes. I'd also like the ability to have influence or control on the other gangs. This applies more to GTA3 since almost every gang ends up hating you at the end of the game. Makes it very difficult to do the extra missions. If each gang has a leader and you pretty much have control of the city, they shouldn't be shooting at you any time you pass them. |
You get some money from all the properties, plus all give you missions to complete.
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Just a few things I'd like to see...
errand boys - for a fraction of your earnings, people will drive around and collect money for you Right Analog Stick aiming better QA testing - I realize it would be an extremely long and arduous task to completely QA test everything in the game, thus the small bugs present in both GTA3 and GTA:VC. But if they went through the effort, and made the game that much more polished, I think the quality would be much better. I'm talking about the little things in the game like getting hurt from walking up or down a set of stairs... |
hmmmmm...
Pessemistic me: Rockstar might be tryin' to just get some extra bucks out of the GTA franchise. San Andreas may just end up as another city with another set of missions, nothing too innovative. After all, the GTA III engine can only do so much. Optimistic me: GTA Kicks ass. No matter what. And I have to agree with most of you that the gang system needs a bit tweaking. The GTA 2 system works, but the GTA Vice City system certainly doesn't. |
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I guess I'm the only person that would be perfectly happy with a new story. :) If Rockstar changed nothing but the story and city then I'd be fine with San Andreas. They have a physics engine that allows for decent shooting, perfect car controls, and perfect crash realism. The graphics are decent, but I agree that it's about time for a overhaul. Not sure what else the PS2 can do with a GTA-type engine, though...the city is too big to make it that complicated. Rockstar has already coded the game so that nothing exists until you're about 100 feet from it (the city renders itself as you get near each location...each car, pedestrian, etc. doesn't even exist unless you drive near it) to boost performance, so there's not much else to do. The voice acting is top-notch, the music rocks, and the stories are already incredible. I know I'm repeating myself, but I only want Rockstar to change the city and story. Anything after that is just bonus material to an already near-perfect series. :)
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New missions, new town. That's all they plan on doing for the most part and I'm happy with that.
They already have bribes, what do you think those floating stars are? This will be the last game on the GTA3 engine. GTA 4 will be for the next playstation and it will probably take quite some time for it to come out. One small thing I would like would be the ability to replay the missions and rampages once the game is complete. ATC's would be fun for beach areas, as would jet skis for the water. |
well, along the property line of things, more in depth as to controlling and siezing assets. imagine combining Simcity with Grand Theft auto!
variety of vehicles/weapons more npc involvement less linear story. alot less. the game itself wasnt linear, but the story was. |
I do believe that would be the greatest game EVER!
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In general just add alot more missions and the ability to explore the city more.
Being able to stop your car in the parking lot,and then run in and buy a pizza from the guy behind the counter was pretty cool. More depth and influences of player choices on the city. |
I've got to say that the GTA Vice City game is one of my favorites. I love being the boss of everything so this was kind of my fantasy.. without all the sex and killing that is.
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lol okay may I say this was my fantasy with all of the sex and killing!
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But I expect more. That's the whole problem with basically everything. K-Mart has low prices? Wal-Mart lowers them more. Citibank made $10 a share last year? Next year we expect them to make $13. |
I wanna see crashes where passengers fly through the windshield. Although that might make driving around too difficult. Maybe it can just be reserved for NPCs.
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Looks awesome!
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Oooh! Bicycles!
Other than that, looks like more of the same. And that's exactly what I wanted. |
I don't see this story appealing to me as much as the 80s theme of VC did, and I do see groups going nuts over the subject matter, but hey, this is GTA; no surprise there.
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I would like to see more interaction with the pedestrains also. Destructible buildings would be cool.
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Hey Jesus Pimp, where did those screen shots come from? I've been looking and can only find fake ones.
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Those are the screenshots available off the official website. (just released because of E3) :) |
Taken from Gamesradar.com:
So. Now we know. San Andreas is NOT Los Angeles, it's a whole state. Los Santos, on the other hand is, to all intents and purposes, LA. The game's two other cities, San Fierro and Las Venturra are based on San Francisco and Las Vegas respectively. There'll be countryside between the three main areas, each of which is roughly the same size as the whole of Vice City. Big, in other words. Overall, the game will be an incredible four to six times the size of its predecessor. Main character Carl Johnson is going to have his work cut out. Returning to his old haunts after five years in the Liberty City slammer, and blamed by his older brother Sweet for younger bro' Brian's accidental death, he'll be making his way through an early 90's streetscape besieged by rival gangs. The most significant gameplay changes are a new stamina meter, meaning you need to eat, and massively improved building interiors. You'll be able to commit burglary now, or run a casino in Las Venturra. If you're feeling less ambitious you can just gamble away your ill-gotten gains on the tables in LV. Brilliantly, improved AI means you can recruit a gang, the Orange Grove Families, and drag members along on missions. Up to four people can complete a drive-by mission, for instance. |
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If you have to eat, will you also need ot sleep and use the bathroom?
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Man, if this game is as huge as they say it's gonna buy, I'm sold. It's headed to PC, right? I think mine's in need of an upgrade, anyway =)
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the problem I have is the waiting time to get to PC!
RELEASE THEM WHEITHIN MONTHS OF EACH OTHER! I wantto play this game so badly. several cities to travel through? well, that pretty much sold me right there. Vice City was a huge place to explore the first time you went through...imagine three citites of that size! and their surrounding areas too I assume. that means, more missions, more killings, more fun |
There is a 10 page preview in a mag, but I can't remember which one it is. There are a few more pics as well in it.
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You will also be able to have home invasions and they are supposed to be pretty difficult to pull off. All in all that preview makes me wish I could fast forward to October. I have a PS2, but I might end up waiting till it comes out on PC. |
I am fully psyched after reading this thread...
The sound track is going to be hilarious in my opinion. Public Enemy, MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Tone Loc, Young MC... In Vice City I used to love listening to Shrub and the psycho commie haters talk about Russians, not it'll be all about how the US kicked their arse and how Saddam's going downnnnnn before 94. PS, the US didn't actually kick Russia's ass in my opinion... |
I think SA is set in modern times
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Sorry if I repeat something, I skimmed thru a few... now for the blabla:
I'm very excited for what is to come if it even takes half the step Vice did from the original. I do think they may be just pumping out a title to complete their game contract. I want the police to police pedestrians more, too. Not just chase one once in a while. Only time ive seen police stick up for Tommy was if you were able to get someone to hijack your car back in front of one... and then it was only the ped cops not the ones in cars. Your home gang should always jump in fights to defend you, too, especially with police. Police should be killed on sight when you have a warning level. Gangs should be factioned, too. The more you kill them, they more they hate you and the more you kill their rival gang the less they hate you. Highest ranking factioned gangs should jump into fights to help you and the lowest factioned gangs should attempt drive-by's on you at random times. More options for drive-by weapons. Flamethrower drive by style. let me wipe the drool off my chin. |
More information for ya'll:
http://www.gta-sanandreas.com/module...447c94ac8587ed |
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"Gangs should be factioned, too. The more you kill them, they more they hate you and the more you kill their rival gang the less they hate you. Highest ranking factioned gangs should jump into fights to help you and the lowest factioned gangs should attempt drive-by's on you at random times"
sort of like in gta2... what i'd really like to see, is remove the linear element. yes, there was alot of freedom in 3, but you had to do missions in a certain order etc... i would like to see your "goal" to become head gangleader, whether thats wiping every other gang out, taking over the police, or just allying yourself and combining all the gangs. "I don't get what all the fuss is about buying property.. you can't do anything with it. It's just another save point. It's not like it gives your power more influence or recognition." THAT would be good, a power and influence meter. i'd like to see you matching your gang against another. id like to see you not just being a gang runaround, but the leader. so, you would be in charge of extortion and planning who to assasinate. id also like to see better 3rd person play. better aiming, something like a "z targetting" (in zelda64) or some lock on/aim thing, so you could actually hae gunfights, instead of standing there shooting, hoping the enemy's armour will run out before yours. |
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In a real crash, car A gets its engine crunched up and car B kinda sticks to car A for about 30 feet, then they both stop, 10 or 15 feet apart. Car A no longer drives. At all. Ever again. I know if it was perfectly realistic the game would be a lot less playable... you just need to choose your words more carefully =P Edit: Cars don't blow up in real life, either. |
Who wants to play a game that's like real life? I guess I should word it better: perfect crash physics for a videogame. If real-life physics were in a game then most cars you drive would blow up after being put to the floor for hours straight. :) I'm simply saying that the car physics engine is as good as it's going to get in videogames; in other words, nearly perfect in terms of gameplay.
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Time for this month's GTA update.
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There were hydraulics in VC(the Voodoos) and motorcycles could do wheelies. The other bullet points sound awesome, although I'm not sure what "Cops can latch onto cars" means.
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Ya know, for me saying this game was getting over-hyped not long ago in another thread, this is suddenly getting me excited again...and I don't even have my own PS2, either. Bring it on, PC or X-Box port, bring it on.
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I'd love to be able to coordinate hits and robberies and shit - like in True Romance, when rasta-ed out Gary Oldman uses the shotty to kill his dealers and take that huge stash of coke - it would be so tight to be able to time shit perfectly, and set up your back-up man or whatever to pull his gun at the opportune moment, then the two of you kill your opponents and take all the drugs and money for yourself.
It would also be great to work towards a goal like running the whole entire city - planning hits on the leaders of the gangs and their underbosses, then forcing new leadership on the gangs and making their sets ally with your own. |
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Im a fan of the GTA series, been playing since the 1st one, but they should do something about the environment. I mean maybe i'll have to wait till GTA4, but id like to see destructable buildings, hikack a dodo with a box cutter and crash it into trump towers. Of course you'd die, but at least it would look cool.
No seriously, didnt mean to make light of 9/11 but i found it lame that if i was flying a chopper or a seaplane and i was going full bore haulin balls, and hit a building, id just bounce off, "WHOOPS!" no big deal. I thought that was too lame. I still think the original gta3 was better than VC because the radio stations were better, I mean they had trance and drum n bass, how can you beat that? I always had to use the custom station in gtaVC cuz of that. oh well. i wouldnt mind more realistic looking people in gta, looking like a cartoon is fun and all, but cmon. This is supposed to be a real life anarchy simulation :) |
... they need to take the best mission from gta2 and put it in it... ya know... the mission where you gathered people up in the bus... brought them to the sausage factory and had them made into sausages...
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I can't wait for this game to release, I think it's gonna be dope as hell.
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public transit!
i don't really know what purpose it would serve, (there were trains and such...but...) it would be cool to flag a taxi down (saves you chasing after them) and hop in, and he could take you somewhere. (Maybe a point and click on the map) Ditto for buses. Maybe an "influence map" which shows a map of the city (ala vice city) but with your influence in a coloured region over it. What stuff you own etc. etc. Non linear attacks, i.e. If your influence starts to encroach upon say The Blue Fist territory, then maybe a few attacks from Blue Fist Members on your businesses/fellow gang members/Increasing violence in that area. |
- Expand on the "clothes buying" idea of VC. If you buy a house, you should be able to pick its color and buy some stuff for the inside to "customize" it.
- Customizable cars. Maybe at a certain point in the game you can own an autobody shop or something and can make modifications to your car (nitrous oxide boosts, bullet/flame proof armor, color/detail choices, etc.) - More stuff like the arena in VC. Maybe this can tie into the auto customizing idea. - A female character who isn't a gang bitch or a porn star. - I think that a fun GTA scenario would be "GTA: Windy City". Set it in Chicago in the 30's and get all Al Capone/Untouchables for the story line. That would mean very different options for cars/weapons/missions. |
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I'd like to see a little more realism with the cops. I mean, if you lose the cops in real life and they don't have a helicopter out, then you hide, every cop in the city will not immediately run over and sit just outside your hiding place. I'd also like to see a better driving interface - let's switch over to analog throttle/brake inputs shall we? this all or nothing approach makes driving less realistic. |
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I never played the PC version but in the PS2 version your rate of acceleration is somewhat dependant on how hard you press the accelerate button. You don't get a full range of acceleration. It's more like low, med, high.
I'm looking forward to the cops on motorcycles. I always wanted to do vigilante missions in a bike. |
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it'd be pretty badass to have multiplayer. thats an obvious idea, but even 2 player co op/head to head would be cool.
Straight up deathmatch: Ala playing GTA1 in the middle of class back in grade 9 with a bunch of other people... Mission head to head: Who can complete the most number of pizza/fire/police/ambulance/tax missions in a certain amount of time, or who can do it fastest. Violence is encouraged. Game head to head: Who can make the biggest empire/get the story missions done fastetst/first. Co op: One person driving, one person aiming. Some missions would even have a co-op option. Or both players coule play for the same "gang" (maybe increase difficulty level) Races: Stuff like tourismo missions, just plain racing head to head. Good guy/bad guy: might be hard on split screen, but one person could go about playing normally (either story or not), and the other person could play as the police/ambulence/firefighter, this means the 2nd player would pick up wounded, fight fires, but they would generally be victims/fires caused by the 1st player. As for playing as a cop, you might not be able to attack/arrest the other player until he has a certain amount of stars or something... |
I think the multiplayer things could be cool for a different game but adding those things into GTA SA would take away from the feel of the game.
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All i ask is for another interesting story and more memerable characters. Give me some more pop culture refrences and great game play as usual, and ill be happy. If it aint broke, don't fix it.
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I just can't wait to see a 4 person drive by in SA. If you do a DB with your homies in the car, the other 3 open fire with you. That is going to be so freakin fun for the random violence factor. Wonder if they will shot out both sides at once in a crowded area, or just open fire at what you are shoting at...
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In my new issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly they said you need to eat and drink to keep the new stamina bar filled up.
If you pig-out too much you'll develop a spare tire around your middle, which you will then have to do a workout to get it off. They also said something about the bike being good for exercize. |
one thing that i would like to see is some sort of view from the front, so at least you can keep driving well while shooting out the side.
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I'm a pretty big fan of the whole GTA series and I am totally stoked for this game to come out.
While VC was pretty much GTA3 in the 80s I thought they made some pretty good improvements. The 80s theme rocked, too. I will however have to wait for this game to hit the PC as I do not have a PS2. I believe Rockstar has a contract with Sony to produce the GTA series (I think GTA3, VC, and SA) to the PS2 first. Then after a few months they are allowed to release it elsewhere. This allows crazy people wanting the game now to buy it for the PS2, or buy a PS2 so they can buy the game. As far as multiplayer, they did have this in GTA2. It was freakin' incredible. The bandwidth needed was insane though. We used to play on a LAN and it was pretty horrible. You had to communicate the exact location of every car, weapon, ped, and player. For the cars, you would have to know its direction, velocity, damage, etc. When you take the size of the citys in the more recent games this adds up to way too much data. They would have to limit the size of the city, or take out certain elements of the game to make it run at an acceptable speed. There is a group who made modifications to GTA3, and VC (PC Versions) that allow you to play multiplayer. There are no NPC cars or anything though. Works alright, but just not the same as the GTA2 multiplayer. It's called MTA. A quick Google search should come up with it. |
I still think the very first GTA for PC is the best game ever. Even better than these newer versions. Personally when I first bought GTA3 I was dissapointed because it was missing so much from the original. I think the 3rd person viewpoint killed it...
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-Better looking models ex. pedestrians
-Buildings that you can enter -Cops on motorcycles a.la Eric Estrada from CHIPS -Online play, where you form a gang, and have turf wars, shootouts, and fight over drugs, money, women and other gang related squabbles. -Downloadable content ie. cars, models, skins, levels, bug fixes..not that I'm hoping for bugs |
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Topdown 3rd person views are almost never seen anymore. It just limits what you can do since there is no perception of height.
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There's enough. If you played GTA 1 or 2 you could tell when you were going to drive off something.
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Time for an update from our friends at IGN. There's some really good stuff in there.
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omg. soo pumped.
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multiplayer coop would be a great start. being able to go into every building break into homes and steal maybe sell stuff you steal instead of just getting cash all the time.
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I need to change my pants.
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this game is going to be the shiznite
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Woot! Come on October!
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One detail which I'd like to see that I don't think has been mentioned is better physics when you hit pedestrians.
I think the technical term is "ragdoll physics"; a sense that the object you just hit (and is now grotesquely pinwheeling through the air) was indeed a 130 pound human body, rather than some barely noticed graphic element. I think this one thing would make a big difference. |
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I wonder if he can become Jabba fat...
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