Ah, actually it works quite a bit differently than pantheon's. It's closer to a ranged skillshot version (~700) of cho'gath's except in % and in a small aoe. But otherwise it doesn't actually do any damage. So its not quite like any ult.

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have you tried playing practice games against bots? You can win in 11.5 minutes (in twisted treeline). So even with the exp/ip penalty you still make more than you would if you had won a real game at 25 minutes. I usually play 1 every other day to try new things and take my frustrations out :)

Not as fun I'm sure as destroying newbs but at least my account gets the IP.

Well now my smurf account is out of newb island so I'm face people that are competent so it's not really a smurf account anymore besides the fact that it's level 8. :( They put me against level 12-20s now.

As a note, you'll go against everyone up to level 30. Levels give a minor permanent boost to your Elo, but if someone's level 30 and a bit worse than you, you'll easily be matched up.

Epic patch. Well done Riot. I'm not saying they fixed everything or anything, but Well. Done. Riot.

1: Compare server instabilities to previously. Down twice, once for less than 10 minutes, both with great, constant updates on what was going on. Compare to several hours, several times, several days, with little to no idea what was happening.

2: DISCLAIMERS IN THE PATCH NOTES. 'We know this isn't enuff for Kat, the rest of the changes didn't make this patch. No QQ".

3: TF NERF (even if minor T_T). If the remakes not done, fine, but do something while we wait. Ty Riot.

4: Tons more bugfixing, tons of sweet content, some nice features added. Overall polishing.

Yay.

I played on my smurf account yesterday for the last time. Why? It was me at level 9...with my teammates talking about rune pages and crap. I was like hold on what level are you guys. 29, 26. Uhh what??

We lost. After the match, I saw the enemy levels: 30, 30, 30, 20, 16. My teammates were 30, 26, 25, 9, and 4 (4 being my friend who was playing on a smurf account also). I think LoL is pretty efficient at smurf detection. With no runes or masteries, we got stomped in the laning phase.

Yea smurfs are kicked out of newb island pretty quickly nowadays. Keep in mind that MM doesn't match based on level whatsoever, so those level 30s are still very low Elo, and you should still be getting > a 50% win rate until you reach your Elo (which will tweak as you get levels yourself of course).

Yeah I think I'm actually still at over 2:1 win to loss ratio right now.

Well, it's the ongoing # that matters.

If you're at 40-20, for example, measure how you go from there.

If you get to 60-40 (total), you're already at your Elo (accounting for lack of levels), because you went 20-20. However, if you go 80-40, then you're still climbin.

So joz, weren't you saying Pantheon's Ult was super OP? So far it seems the opposite... near impossible to land. Or did they nerf it before it went live?

PS I like how almost everyone has free corki now but almost no one plays him lol

Pantheon is very strong at high tiers right now, and it's pretty easy to land since the buff. It's also used for area denial.

I've seen a corki in every game so far, but not one on each team yet.

Had a sweet chat with Pendragon today; the stuff coming for the community is orgasmic. Unfortunately, the priority is all on the mechanic stuff (well, not unfortunately since I want it to be that way too), but we gotta wait so long for some of these awesome features.

wow. haven't played regularly for a while, and I have to say I suck. i think i won 1 out of my last ten. But I've also lost interest in LoL.

;( sorry to hear that.

Yea coming back is rough from being rusty, you take a good losing streak hit. I'm going to talk to Riot about temporary k-value deflation when you return from an absence.

Are there any new casters/mages/nukers being made on the horizon? I really like them but none of them quite...keep my interest. So far my favorite is karthus and anivia.

You might like one of the ninjas ;o

I finally got around to trying the buffed ryze, and he is quite nice now. He still lacks in CC/utility compared to other mages, but he is much, much more viable now. I wouldn't give him a spot on a top 5 tourney team, but he is great fun for anything else but the most serious ATs.

I feel that's a pretty spot-on analysis :).

Last night, Jozrael, myself, and some friends queued together and ended up facing a premade with Pendragon. Now that was a fun match. We lost, but we got more kills than them and out leveled/out farmed them but couldn't tear down turrets like Pendragon as Sivir. I couldn't believe I finally got to fight a dev!!!!!!

Lucky!

Yesterday I had a game of note as well, won a game in 16 minutes. Legit (i.e. no one left, no bugs/exploits.)

So the servers seem to be down...

This is the video of us vs Pendragon and Protoman (both Riot employees) in 720p. Ohmwrecker on the enemy team recorded and uploaded this.

and you're in a video with them now? FUCK YOU GUYS! lol :)

PS I can see skystriker is Ryze, but who'd you play Las? Can't make out your name. Nunu?

He plays as razerwind ingame.

You guys gonna enjoy the free double IP?

Full screen the vid, it'll look great since it's 720p. I was Teemo.

Btw, another boost to your LoL e-peen. xD.

Just got my 2nd ever quadra-kill!!!!!!!

We saw the enemy team going towards Nashor. Well we followed them there and they knew we were coming from minion sight. So we get there and our ashe accidently walks into the brush right outside of Nashor, that one little clump. All 5 enemies in the brush!!! Then our Malphite ults right on top of them, hits all 5 with it. I go in as Nunu and exhaust/ignite their Ashe, and start casting my ult. Well 1 guy was dead before my ult went off, but the other 4 died to it. Man now that is one satisfying ult.

Also I have 13,000 IP saved up. It's enough to buy the rest of the champs I don't have (Nidalee/Udyr/Poppy/Pantheon/Gragas) but it would use all of it. I don't know if I should save it for runes or what. Decisions decisions.

Well what sort of runes do you currently have and what sort of champs do you like to play? Nid is quite fun. The rest are meh.

Right now I have an entire page of attack speed tier 3 which gives me 40% attack speed if I want. I also have a ton of mana regen, armor penetration, and magic resist.

I guess I could buy some magic pen runes.

If you like casters mpen is quite nice (better than AP for offense so long as you're not going past their mresist). Aim for all marks (IIRC, or whatever the one that is most efficient...) and 1 quint to get 10 mpen. With boots you'd have 30. Bare min without wasting any. They're also fairly cheap, only 405 ip each, so getting 10 pen is only like 4 or 5k ip (maybe less). Means you'd still have a lot left over for either AP, or more champs.

I just spent like 10k IP on runes, so that's my vote. So long as you have HP quints, nothing else is absolutely required. MPen is nice for casters on marks though.

lmao I got like 3-4k IP in a day haha.

i play with regen/18 quints and yellows, crit dmg reds and cooldown reduction blues. My masteries are also split to focus on crit dmg and cd reduction (8-0-21).

I doubt i'll build more runes pages. I need to buy more champs, since i only own 5 or 6 cheapies at the moment.

Well keep in mind you can always unlock 20 at a pop! xD

Been playing Rammus here recently. I've did really good with him so far. He takes some getting used to since some of his abilities make the others not usable. I know this is mega noob, but stacking Heart of Gold on him is really, really working for me. Early game, if you have 2 or 3 of those, by mid game you have enough gold to buy anything you need, and any fights you get in before then, you do fine because of the armor and HP. One game I had 5 of them and boots ha ha ha ha ha. We won and I had like 5,000 gold that I hadn't spent yet.

Played 2 matches with my friend last night and got triple kills in both as Rammus. In one of them I aced the enemy team (got all 5 kills) but it was only a triple kill and then 2 kills 10 seconds apart after that. He's funner than Alistar IMO.

AFAIK, that is the best build for him. Never seen a good Rammus without it.

Played as Rammus with Joz a few nights ago for the first time. Did ok, but he's not my type of hero. My fav tank will always be Arnold Vosloo.

Rammus is king (bowser). Very fun Champ, I hope they do some tweaks on him to boost his power level a tiny bit (he needs it, just not on taunt lawl).

Tbh, and you already know this, HoG stacking is the 'newb' strategy on him. The cool part is it synergizes so well that it's really not a half-bad strategy, as you both have pointed out. HoG stacking is generally only cost effective in super long games (50-70 minutes+), which don't happen so much in the current meta.

Aegis, GA, FH, and some others are all better on him IMO, but I haven't really ever played him competitively, so I'm just monkeying others.



I just bought Amumu yesterday. For context, he was my main back in tryhard rS days. It feels sooo goood to play him again. Went 3-1 with him since then, with the 1 being a 4v5 that we almost won T_T. Jungle amumu is so leet :3.

Yeah you own super hard with him jungling. FYI me and Joz got put on the same team last night when I solo queued and we dominated. ROFL at the enemy team saying "Jungling Amumu? seriously??" and then dying ha ha ha ha ha

They also made fun of DPS Janna.

Both 'trash' builds are actually considered optimal (for that Champion) for competitive play atm. Council is pressuring Riot to buff Janna's support/AP utility so you aren't forced to DPS her to do well.

There is hella QQ about the queue dodge penalties :\.

Jungle Amumu sounds awesome. Any tips on that? Just throw on despair and spam tantrum? how early can you jungle with him? I've always like him I'm just not good with him.

Jungle X generally means from level 1.

Here's a MOBAFire guide I whipped up for you.

thanks! I'll try that out!

after a week ok lolling goodness, I just had a very frustrating experience. Teamed with a level 8,12 and 16 (who admitted to being premade, but playing on their actual accounts), we were matched against five level 30's, who were also premade. Worst of all, the best one of them had 500 wins under the belt. He was playing a very pro Gangplank, with crit dmg runes and masteries galore. Sure, my ELO is a bit inflated (cuz of you Joz) and I can get being matched with a full premade, , but the skill difference between my noob teamies and the opposition was vast. I was the most experienced on my team, and I've only played 270 games. I had less wins than every member of the opposition.


Needless to say, we were drawn, quartered, and raped up the ass.

That's a really rough situation to be in. The premade had to be out of newb island (as only one of them was even still in it; even one person out of newb island drags the entire premade out). The other team probbbably had most of the rest of the premade at pretty low Elo. Keep in mind that ridiculous amounts of wins can still mean low Elo, if he also has tons of losses. I'm not sure on the MM #s on this one, but there's some explanations.

TL;DR sorry for the bad game :(. If you feel that the difference were so vast it should be considered a MM error, submit it to Zileas and maybe he can find something in there to tweak (weight the higher player more heavily...but then that means his 4 friends will feed, etc. I'm not sure).

Yeah, i took it on the chin. Hasn't happened often enough to complain about. I've just never been matced against a team with more than 1000 win between them. Even when playing with you, which is prolly the highest ELO games I play in.

A plus though, is that I'm finally starting to get the hang of Kayle. After 20-ish games. D: I went 3-3-6 in that noobfest, which was kind-of a victory for me, since we lost 30-something -12. So I was there for most of the kills.

Hey Joz, I see Riot is hiring. I thought you were a shoe-in?

So, after my recent attempts at Kayle have proven more succesful, I thought I'd post the build and ask for tips. Constructive criticism welcome. I like this hero, and am not yet near the skill level with her I'd like to be.

League of Legends Strategy Builds :: LoL Strategy Building Tool by MOBAFire

I have a job if I can move to LA, which I can't afford atm lol. I'm still unfortunately a dependent atm.

Posted some comments in your guide :D

I've played a few games as Mordekaiser and man he's really fun. I got a triple kill in my first match I played as him which is always a morale booster.

I also had my longest LoL match ever last night. It was over 70 minutes. We lost!!!! We dominated the early to mid game, but had only Jax as a carry, and with the enemy team having 3 carries, it wasn't enough. We pushed all 3 inhibitors down, then got Nashor buff, and then pushed and got aced in 1 really bad team fight. Then after that the match lasted literally 40 more minutes because we couldn't fight them 5v5, and they couldn't leave their inhibs unprotected, so it was a huge stalemate.

One of the last team fights we had, I absolutely dominated the enemy (they had Nashor buff) as Mord. I got 3 of them down to 10% HP and died, but Zilean put his ult on me and I came back and killed the 3. Then the 4th one ran away and I chased down the 5th and killed him too. Mord has some pretty amazing survivability in team fights when you start spamming his Q and E to build his shield up. Very, very cool champion. I'm really proud of Riot creativity with him.

lasereth what's your IGN?

First post on this page, vault.

I agree Mord is really awesome. He's getting tweaked to tone down his early and buff up his late.

Great that they picked it up so quickly. Haven't played him yet, but against/with him, I thought that he is a bit OP early and UP late. Playing as Kayle I've gotten quite a few assists/kills laning with Mord. His shield+flash makes towerdiving earlygame for kills look too easy.

A couple matches ago me (as Mord) and Kayle 2v4ed the enemy at their turret. It was so epic.

Wow, I just played my first game of Bloodline Champions (BLC), a similar game to LoL. Mind is blown, even if it won't stop me from playing LoL xD. Looks AWESOME, now I just need to learn the bloodlines and get my visual search patterns adjusted.

Wow that game looks awesome.

Yar. I also had my first tastes of it colored because I joined AFTER the normal server uptime. They've only been putting them up for four hours at a time, and this time they were like "Meh, we'll leave it up til they crash horribly". They were already starting to show some symptoms by the time I first logged on haha. I'm eager to see what it's like playing at less than 300 latency (can you imagine 300 latency in an fps? *shudder* lmao).

How did you get to play it? I want a key. :( I watched the videos on their website and it looks really really cool. Like WoW Arena except without the gear limitations.

Bloodlines looks cool. Just signed up for their beta.

@Lasereth: If a FPS, DotA, Warlocks (a wc3 map) and WoW Arena all had an unholy foursome, BLC would be the result. It's pretty cool.

I got in cuz Larias had a spare key to give out: beta keys are really rare at this stage, and the game is pretty rough. As it cleans up over the next few months, and they start focusing on their infrastructure to ramp up beta, they'll send out more waves. With LoL the process between early beta and mid beta took like 3-4 months, I'd expect it to be about the same here.

If I happen upon a cache of keys I'll totally let you guys know; if I find myself unable to play the beta during its (very) limited uptimes I'll share my account details with TFP so any of you guys can hop on and try it.

yes please!

Well, as soon as I can get the pw changed I'ma make my acct TFP-public. Right now I can't change it and I'm a bad, bad person and re-use some passwords, so gotta wait til then :p

Mordekaiser is pretty darn fun. Kudos to riot for that. Although I'm surprised they made another mana-less hero, I thought that those 3 were meant to be abnormal?

I wonder if they'll make a rage mechanic champ? (one that can't use his abilities until he takes dmg/deals dmg but are very strong abilities once he can use them.)

There's a lot of fun resource systems coming. Right now we have health, mana, cooldowns, and corki's ult uses ammo as well. Ammo and energy (much faster regen, much smaller pool) are also being developed for more widespread use.

Just got my third quadra kill. I got it as Mordekaiser. I also got a triple kill that match also. Jesus H that was a rape match. They had 4 physical DPSers so I stacked armor. One fight was me and Warwick vs Ashe, Yi, Teemo, and Warwick. They immediately took Warwick out but then I triple killed all of them but Teemo and had Teemo running for his life ha ha ha ha ha. I sent the minion after him and it almost got him.

Mordekaiser FTW

Mord scares the crap out of me, tbh. I'm very cautious of him when he's on the other team.

:( poor vault. We had two inhibs down and were holding off on finishing the game cuz we hoped you would reconnect. They surrendered instantly at 25 :(. Sorry bro.

Uber Mordekaiser build from Lasereth®:

3x Heart of Gold
Spirit Visage
Force of Nature
Mercury's Treads

Sell HoG for Sunfire Cape, if you don't have enough gold, then buy Thornmail or Warden's Mail instead.

I've tried every Mord build under the sun including the top rated guides and even the Riot intern guide and none are as good as my build.

Attack damage seems like a good idea on him but it's really not.

BTW this build is the best even if you have a pure tank on your team already.

Imo he just doesn't pose enough of a threat lategame to tank him out. Just kill everyone besides him, then focus him down.

End game is where he shines for me. He's decent early to mid game but once you start building some decent items the fun starts. I know this is the opposite of what everyone on the forums says but that's my experience after around 15-20 games as him.

Okiez.

PM me to get the details!

Please do not share with people outside of TFP.

There is a new installer out today, the game is ONLY up on mondays and thursdays (I think?) right now for limited hours.

Thanks! You should take that down though, and PM people who ask for it. This is a public part of TFP and comes up on google.

They've said it might take til sometime tomorrow for the new pw to propagate to the game server. If it's not up by the time servers are up, I will get it changed again, effective immediately. You will need this torrent for the client.

I got in, thanks. But couldn't play any games. I take it it must be down? I didn't see anything that said so, nor on their website. Is there a way to know when I can play?

18:00-22:00 GMT+1, Sunday and Monday.

So noon to 4 eastern time, 9am to 1pm pacific. They sometimes keep the servers are for many hours past the specified closing time. I'm not sure if this upcoming week is a stresstest (i.e. they leave the servers up til they crash, but performance degrades after like 8 hours up).

lol sigh, so I finally get in to play a bloodline game and of course the first game I enter someone recognizes your name. They're like "Why do you suck?! You were pro at LoL." I just said I hadn't played bloodlines much, gimme a break. Rather than telling them I wasn't you. I figured it was better they think you stink than to let them know about the account shenanigans. Am I right? Or would you like me to tell them the truth?

Just say you're my brother playing ;o.

been playing less LoL lately, and i must say that it definitely has increased my concentration, and made me savour the wins more.

Nice vault!

I haven't been on LoL lately since my laptop is out of commission, has been for a few days, it should be up and running within the week. I'll come back to dabble (and share time with BLC and SoE @_@) asap!

Oh. My. Word. Last night we got RAPED by Soraka and Taric (buffing Blitz, Shaco and Ezrael). Too much friggin heal and mana spamming.

Exesssssss.

But yea, Taric is considered the 2nd most OP champ atm by Phreak, right after Alistar. Heals are godly atm :s.

Ahhhhhhhhh.

It's nice to be back.

Well, the MM still needs work - being Level 8 (i.e. out of Noob Island) is not enough. Yesterday I had a Level 18 Shaco on my team that went 0-14-0!!!

I didn't think it was possible to go 0-14 with Shaco, but he was never even in the same game as us. Kept dying solo in jungle, pushing too far, or trying to 1v3.

Either MM does not appropriately bracket ELO, or his ELO is carried by the team, although I don't see many teams being able to win with a teamie who feeds to such an extent.

I've been playing LoL with a premade group lately. Usually 4-5 of us queue at once and I find that it's waaay funner that way. When we lose it doesn't bother me, and when we win it feels even better. Solo queuing is just unbearable now after playing on vent with a premade for 15 or 20 games in a row. Hell even queuing with 1 friend and 3 pubs still sucks.

BTW when Twisted Treeline goes into MM it's gonna turn this game on its head. I can't wait. :)

Yup I agree - I normally premade as well, but all my peeps have been away for a while, so I solo queued (or premade with 1 or 2 others). My W/L streak for the last ten games was 9-1 before I started to solo queue, now its 2-8 :(

And Sky hates to use vent for "pubs". I think teamspeak just makes such a massive difference for any online multiplayer, i don't understand the hate towards using it - even for pub games.

@Vault: a level 8 is not out of newb island normally; you were detected as a smurf if you're out of it at that point without a premade. Sorry you had a feeder, he was probably premade with much better people to even out his group's Elo.

@Lasereth: Fantastic news! I can't wait for TT as well :3.

@Vault: Tbh it's not that I don't like vent (with or without pubs), it's that it's often a bad idea based on what's going on IRL around me. However that's ameliorated itself heavily as of late, so I'm much more likely to vent now ^_^ (and have been doing so :D)

Joz what do you think about stacking Doran's on TT? People make fun of me when I do it but having 2000 HP at level 10 is great. The games are so short that you don't usually have time to build stage 3 items so the Doran's are great IMO. They give you gigantic stat boosts early game for cheap.

Teemo is so fun on TT. 3x Doran's Shields + 3x Doran's Blades = whatjusthappened in the team fights. Then once you get to 6 it becomes a mushroom forest of doom.

I also think Nunu has a chance of being top tier on TT. My friend Groove has 120ish wins as Nunu and when he plays him on TT it's freaking sick.

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On a completely different note, I feel totally ineffective unless I play a carry. If I play the tank, nobody brings the damage. If I play a mage, then I feel like I need soulstealer, and half the time I buy that, I don't get stacks. If I play a healer then there's no DPS.

I hate being cornered into a DPSer!!!!

Doran's are amazingly cost effective; if you find the game is ending BEFORE you have 6 doran's items and a bit of cash to spare, you've definitely made the right choice. However, they only sell for 50%, so after that point your effectiveness will diminish. I generally go for 1-2 Doran's items and some mid tier stuff (stuff in the 1-2.5k range).

Nunu has always been staggeringly awesome on TT: the best champion type on their is hybrid. Because of lesser Champions to fill roles in the team, you need to cover more of them. Everyones gotta be able to take a bit of damage, everyones gotta be able to deal it, and ideally everyones gotta have a bit of CC to bring to the table.

Of course movement abilities are much more important on it as well, for running or chasing.

I haven't played TT in a looong while - think it was with you Joz. But I've seen a Mundo pwn on Summoner's rift with 5 Doran's blades and a pair of boots. Was weird, and a little bit scary. So I can dig that Doran's would itemise well on TT.

Can anyone comment directly on Kennen? I've been waiting for a DPS energy based guy, as well as a new caster. So I have high hopes. But he's 6300ip ><

I'm mostly curious about how he plays, item builds, etc. The forums are strewn with conflicting info and I trust you guys more (especially if Joz could comment, but I'd love to hear everyone's opinion.)

It sounds a lot like ezrael. Except more AP oriented and you have to go in close to do your damage rather than ezrael's kiting strategy. Seems kind of bad design for a caster. So I'm wondering how that works.

So far I've played with a few, but they've ranged from doing OK, to doing horribly. So I'm really not sure what to make of it.

This is obv the caster ninja, dps one comes next (Galren or w.e name was I forget). Tbh I don't have much experience on him right now, I've been busy IRL and playing other games, especially since the patch with the item crash bug. I'm not touching LoL until that's fixed.

I think he's built decently tank/ap, kinda like annie as a stun generator.

Is the next one, the DPS ninja, going to be melee or ranged?

I bit the bullet and spent 6300 ip for kennen. He is quite fun. Slightly underpowered though. He needs slightly better AP ratios on 2 of his skills (ult and W I think it was.) I sure hope I continue to enjoy him...so much ip...lol, couldn't wait though.

I bought him with the left over RP I had, I kinda regret it. I should have boughten Shen instead. Maybe I just need to play him more.

Ya, I think its basically because he's a caster without true burst. He does have decent stunning ability though. Problem is you usually have to put yourself in quite a bit of danger though to do it. Power wise there's no way he's worth his price. But he might be fun enough for it to be worth it. If anyone is on the fence, wait till he's free.

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LOL holy shit the server is down AGAIN! How many times is that? Its been down more than its been up lately. I've never seen such bad performance in any online game.

Yea, the server is terribad right now. Riot is eating a lot of flak over its maintenance atm, I can't really give any soothing platitudes. Sorry ;(

And keep in mind: price != power. Shen is not supposed to be a powerhouse because hes 6k, although I do agree he is a tad UP. I think his stuns are the best part of him. He's a stun MACHINE in mid-lategame teamfights.

Hey Joz (or anyone) do you know anything about long Q times for TT specifically? Its very strange, first time its happened to me. It takes me like 20-40 minutes to get a TT game queued (and then some jack ass Q dodges) but SR queues as normal within a minute or so.

I've talked to several other people, and a few have a similar problem. No word on the official forums though.

It does that to me too. I have to start a TT queue, then cancel after 30 seconds or so, then queue again, and it usually goes in within 10 seconds. Weird.

Its working fine now. But it was broken for me for 3 or 4 days straight. And even if I cancel, then rejoin that didn't help. I meant it literally took me ~12-40 minutes to get a game.

My ISP is upgrading its network atm, so I've been plagued with terrible latency and spikes in the last few weeks.

So I decided to make a smurf account. MatchMaker is definately screwed: Me and my cousin (also playing on a smurf), were premade yesterday (Levels 4 &5 respectively), and we got teamed with a Level 15, 21, and 22, and played against a team of Levels 30,30, 28, 25, 21!!!

How the fuck can that be fair? I "owned" their solo mid, mind you, ending up with stats of 3-4-2, but we lost 6-33. The lack of masteries and runes do not compensate for being a level 4 & 5 premade. against level 30.

The other team were probably a 5-man premade with low ELOs. On my smurf account I get put with level 30s fairly frequently at level 10. I think MM is pretty good at detecting smurf accounts honestly.

I disagree. My smurf account win ratio was at 0.2 when I got this match.

My normal account hovers at 1.0.

The premade may have been THAT BAD though. :lol:

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I agree though, the level difference is enough to make masteries and runes alone be the determining factor, especially early game.

Tryndamere buffs next patch. I can't wait. He's one of the funnest champs in the game but he sucks right now.

If you went balls to the wall with runes you could get to your lane at level 1 with 33% crit chance as Trynd. FB much??????