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Old 11-29-2007, 11:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Gamespot reviewer possibly fired for negative review

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50134
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Rumors have been swirling today that Jeff Gerstmann, executive editor at CNET-owned major video game site GameSpot, was fired after giving a generally unimpressed review of Io Interactive's Kane & Lynch: Dead Men. Gerstmann awarded the game a 6.0. (Though Shacknews does not score its reviews, our own Kane & Lynch review was similar in its verdict.)

According to the reports, the layoff came after Kane & Lynch publisher Eidos took issue with the review and threatened to pull its considerable ad contract. GameSpot's front page is currently almost entirely re-skinned with Kane & Lynch imagery.

The rumor began bouncing around various industry circles over the past day, and this evening was reported by Kotaku. Popular webcomic Penny Arcade posted a strip about the alleged incident tonight, outside of its normal publishing schedule.

Shacknews can confidently confirm via its own sources that Gerstmann was indeed fired yesterday from his position at GameSpot. The source declined to comment as to whether the firing was directly related to the reported Eidos situation, but the circumstances are suspicious at the least.

Gerstmann had been an employee at GameSpot for about a decade, and took the place of former executive editor Greg Kasavin when Kasavin left the company to work for Electronic Arts as a producer.
It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. While I had always considered Gamespot to be one of the better reviewing sites, it's obvious that many other sites are heavily influenced by companies that pay for advertising *coughPCGAMERcough*. I can recall a two week long promotion for Black and White on IGN which had a new blurb about the game every day, switching from the black to the white side halfway through. Do you think after that they would give the game a bad review? Hell no, it got a 9.7 Anyone that played the game can tell you that's completely ridiculous, even people that thought it was a great, which I personally did not, didn't think it deserved an almost perfect score. Anyway, it's a real shame how these sites are becoming shills, you can't trust any of the big names out there anymore. Now I get all my reviews from word of mouth and perhaps metacritic.
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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but.. Kane & Lynch DOES suck.. a lot.. its just.. bad. I saw the review in question before this came up and he didn't hold back with pointing out just how much it sucks hehe. It certainly was one of the harsher reviews. But if the game didn't suck so much ass he wouldn't have said it sucked so much ass. It's not his fault for pointing it out, its Eidos' fault for putting out such a very terrible game.

I've had people come up to me where i work, hand me the game, and literally say "worst game of the year". You can't fire a guy for saying the worst game of the year is the worst game of the year if its his job to tell you those things. I mean.. c'mon!
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Hahaha, wow. I like reviews that are just product placement plugs. Pfft.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:31 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I like how the article says he was fired for the review and then says it's unknown as to why he hired but it sure looks like it was the review. More info plz!!!!!!!!!

That is bullshit if it is real though. I still use metacritic and EGM though...friends word of mouth is almost never right. Cognitive Dissonance is too prevalent in word of mouth reviews. People buy a game and won't admit it sucks because they spent $50 on it.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:10 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
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yeah, fuck those money grubbing assholes. Another corrupt media outlet.

Seriously, the only mag I trust anymore is "Play" and on top of that, they have beautiful art on each cover.

http://www.playmagazine.com/
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:58 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Uh, Stephen King used to write for "Swank" but I don't trust their content.

The mission of any magazines is to make money... and they have "lobbyists" just like politicians.
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Old 11-30-2007, 09:23 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I'm sure this happens with things far more important than video games. That's what bothers me.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:25 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Of course everything is just speculation at this point. Is there an actual 'smoking gun' that undeniably proves he was fired for giving a bad review? Has Jeff Gertsmann himself confirmed this?

So far I've seen nothing but rumor and speculation with plenty of places claiming to have an inside source but no real proof. If Eidos pressured GS then why is the review still up for everyone to see? Why was the review even posted in the first place? Doesn't GS have an editorial staff that approves what gets posted or do the reviewers get to post whtever they want?

Too many questions and accusations flying around at this point. I'm no fan of GS (too console centric for my taste) but neither do I think it's fair for them to be blamed for something that may not be true.
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Old 11-30-2007, 05:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I always used gamespot as one of my review sites, sometimes I wouldn't agree with what they posted but for the most part it was pretty accurate.

This is terrible news if that is indeed the reason he was fired.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Treat them like the real press.

Know there is bias, get as many sources as you can, and try to figure it out.

I find IGN very good except now and then they seem to be a bit more 'asskissy' on a big title than warranted, but I never buy a game based on one sites review and NEVER on a review that was put up in less than a day after release.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Of course everything is just speculation at this point. Is there an actual 'smoking gun' that undeniably proves he was fired for giving a bad review? Has Jeff Gertsmann himself confirmed this?

So far I've seen nothing but rumor and speculation with plenty of places claiming to have an inside source but no real proof. If Eidos pressured GS then why is the review still up for everyone to see? Why was the review even posted in the first place? Doesn't GS have an editorial staff that approves what gets posted or do the reviewers get to post whtever they want?

Too many questions and accusations flying around at this point. I'm no fan of GS (too console centric for my taste) but neither do I think it's fair for them to be blamed for something that may not be true.
The review was removed from their site, but it can be found on youtube.

There is no doubt in my mind that this review was a major factor in his termination, even though it seemed to have been building up for a while.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:05 PM   #13 (permalink)
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www.penny-arcade.com is good for reviews too, because it's not the role of thier site, and they cover so little in thier writings, it's just an honest opinion. I would have never touched guitar hero if not for their raving about it
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:24 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Of course everything is just speculation at this point. Is there an actual 'smoking gun' that undeniably proves he was fired for giving a bad review? Has Jeff Gertsmann himself confirmed this?

I'd take the following statement with a grain of salt, but I read he wasn't fired for the content of the review, but the tone of it. Either way something doesn't seem right.


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Why was the review even posted in the first place? Doesn't GS have an editorial staff that approves what gets posted or do the reviewers get to post whtever they want?
That's the one real issue that keeps bugging me about this whole thing. There certainly has to be more to the story, and perhaps biznatch is 100% correct. He wasn't fired just for this review, but it was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:45 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Look at it like this...

A reviewer gives an honest, but painful review of a moderately poor product.

The editor shows it to the producer of the product, and they agree to post it, and then fire the reviewer as a method of getting a shitload of publicity.

Not saying it happened, but loads of people are now talking about a game that otherwise would have passed them by.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:52 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Whichever it was. He was right the game is rubbish.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:25 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Look at it like this...

A reviewer gives an honest, but painful review of a moderately poor product.

The editor shows it to the producer of the product, and they agree to post it, and then fire the reviewer as a method of getting a shitload of publicity.

Not saying it happened, but loads of people are now talking about a game that otherwise would have passed them by.

Any publicity is good publicity, eh?
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Seriously, the only mag I trust anymore is "Play" and on top of that, they have beautiful art on each cover.
Play DOES have beautiful art, but I see to much of a Japanesque bias on their pages. While they didn't give it a perfect score, they liked Vampire Rain far more than any human really has any business doing so. I enjoy their pages because they give info about games, movies and products you would not normally see in most US gaming mags, but they still have a bias.

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www.penny-arcade.com is good for reviews too, because it's not the role of thier site, and they cover so little in thier writings, it's just an honest opinion. I would have never touched guitar hero if not for their raving about it
I'm a PA whore to begin with (and also contribute to Child's Play almost every year). But I agree wholeheartedly. They say what they say in passing, and it's driven me to check out a few games I may have missed out on.
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