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What do you think of this? Could this be the final nail in the coffin for Sony or do you think GoW3 and MGS4 can still save it? I personally think the PS3 is doomed at this point.

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bookerV

This is fantastic news. Hopefully FFXIII comes to the 360, as that is the system I have. At this point I see no reason whatsoever to buy a PS3.

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YaWhateva

If FFXIII goes to the 360 this news is huge. Isn't Square using the new Unreal engine for FFXIII? That's not exclusive to the PS3 so maybe that would be a reason to jump ship. If this happens, Microsoft will definitely find a place in Japan like it has been trying to do with the Mistwalker studio. Sony was banking on the FF's, GoW3, MGS4 and the like to save the PS3. I really feel no reason to get a PS3 anymore which is sad because I have loved the Playstation since the PSX. If FF's head to the Wii, thats not that big news since Crystal Chronicles is headed to the Wii anyways, but I doubt FFXIII will be heading to the Wii, it cannot handle the graphics of the engine.

At any rate, this is a pretty exciting time in video games for all of us.

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Shauk

this is what happens when greedy corporations get greedy.

(referring to sony)

Square-Enix is obviously making a smart move here, they realize that the ps3 is beyond the average gaming market's income and would lost money on thier development of final fantasy titles if they put all thier chips in one boat.

the PS3 is overdeveloped and ahead of its time, its quite sad, gaming has come a long way in the last 20 years, and really it's development is at a snails pace because theres only so much money to devote to R&D in the technology market.

we're still putting around with our basic control pads, not quite the VR/internetcyberexistance/body suit immersive experiences we were hoping to see in our lifetime accessable to the average user.

I wonder what would develop if it became like the vehicular market, and people started developing technological constructs that cost you 10,000 dolloars to move into your home, just how fast would the industry evolve and develop at this point?

sadly thats a pipedream due to stuff like exclusive titles. Open archetecture gaming would be nice, some sort of standard would be nice. Then console gaming would begin to approach the plateau that PC gaming has. (theres really only 2 PC gaming markets, PC's and Mac's)



man, I derailed my own post. ah well,


TLDR version: PS3 is good, but too expensive, and square-enix knows this. No doubt some exec somewhere is licking his wounds over the loss of exclusivity because they can't leverage it as a selling point for thier system anymore.

<--28 next month, and gaming since pong. /hardcore
but not 600$ a system hardcore.

Jinn

How is there speculation about what system this will go to?

The Wii is cool and all, but it's not Unreal Engine, Final Fantasy XIII cool.

I'm so fuckin' pumped. I've been a FF fanboy since FF1 (still own the actual cartridges).. so I was kinda sad that I was going to miss this one. Alas, not all is lost!

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YaWhateva

The problem for me now is, I have a PS2 back home, and I am moving back in a few weeks, but the PS2 is broken. I was planning on getting a PS3 eventually and Final Fantasy XII/God of War 2 but now that I am losing faith in the PS3, I have no system to play said games.

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Prophecy

My first thought, "Oh shit... Sony lost another..."
My second thought, "Sweets, and way to go SE. Now I can get this without buying another console." Of course this still isn't a confirmed 360 version, but other current console could run FF13? Seems 3rd party exclusives really are dead.

Then again this could be a case of bad info and they mean the FF13 spin-offs aren't PS3 exclusive...

Still if this is to be believed it's one step closer to M$ being this gen's winner hands down.

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CyCo PL

Is this for real? I tend to not trust any gaming sites that aren't major networks, i.e. IGN, Gamespot, Gamespy, etc.



edit: I really don't think this is real. There would be news about it on all of the major gaming sites, not just some single hole in the wall site nobody's heard of.

YaWhateva

Ya I have been checking IGN all day and I havent seen anything.

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Esoteric

Looks like it might actually be regarding the exclusivity of the side games and not the main game. Regardless, this could actually mean that the main game could go multiplatform.

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ONETIME

wow pretty crazy, gotta do wut u gotta do to make some money

CyCo PL

The side games were already pretty much non-exclusive. Final Fantasy Tactics is coming to PSP, the next tactics advance is coming to DS. There's also a side-story to Final Fantasy XII coming to DS. Then there's Final Fantasy XI (online) on Xbox 360. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles is coming to Wii.

But I am 99% positive that article is a hoax: there have been NO announcements whatsoever on any of the legitimate video game sites, and something like this (the main Final Fantasy series being non-exclusive) would be extremely important to the survival of the PS3.

Okay, it's not a hoax.

http://www.square-haven.com/news/?id=1275

"In fact, the Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy XIII project isn't just limited to three projects - there are many different aspects. In terms of the formats we're reaching, as well, it's not simply exclusive to the PS3 and mobile phones. In Latin Fabula Nova Crystallis means "New Crystal Story" and we're using that as a basis for the project, but there are many characters and legends that are branching off from the main story and universe. It's a huge project."

So, it seems that there are many games planned for release around the FFXIII world. Squenix definitely seems to have big plans for this iteration of the series, but I would still be willing to bet that the actual "Final Fantasy XIII" and "Final Fantasy XIII Versus" games will remain PS3 exclusive... but even that is kind of iffy, after reading this:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167864.html

Sony Computer Entertainment France president Georges Fornay dropped the bombshell in an interview with French-language newspaper Les Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace (subscription required). He said, "The development costs of games have exploded, and it has become more difficult to have exclusives, outside of our own games. But we have for launch day [in France] 30 games, including MotorStorm, Resistance: Fall of Man, and Virtua Fighter 5. Moreover, we are expecting 200 games [for the PS3] by the end of 2007...As far as Final Fantasy XIII goes, I can tell you that the exclusivity is in discussion."

Sony is definitely going to be kind of screwed if they lose exclusivity on the main Final Fantasy series... I'm really curious to see how this will develop now.

Fallenleaf

well i haven't read the whole thread and i probably will sometime soon though, as of all of you saying you've been losing faith in the ps3 rethink the specs, 1: it has cell processors, cell......... you cant even buy those in a computer store yet 2: i get weekly newsletters from some websites and one of them said my ps3 blew my 360 away, now im not saying the 360 is bad it is a good gaming console but for a professional newsletter author to say something like that its gotta be great, 3: yea its expesive but that will change the only reason the damned thing is so expesive is the blu-ray disc technology once that gets all done being hyped up and becomes more common you can expect a price drop of at least 200 big ones if not more, 4: the graphics....... right now you cant say anything about the graphics because it has 9 count them 9 processors one is the cell processor the other 8 are for other various things, now not counting the cell, there are 8 other processors, as of right now the games for it only utilize 2 of the other 8 imagine what your ps3 will be capable of when it uses all 8 of the other processors.

to the one guys post up there about sony being greedy, not true the blue ray in the system costs at least 200-300 dollars thats at the least if not more.

sony hasnt lost anything yet, hardly anybody right now owns high def tvs but give it twelve months and you will for sure see that at least 50 pervent of the us population will own a high def tv. I'm a big fan of the socom series, i own them all except socom 2, my friends bought a high def tv and a ps3 in the same day, i helped him hook it all together and first thing we did was get on socom combined assault, on the socom 3 maps in combined there are some where you cant see beyond because of a haze, generally 200 feet on a hig def tv and with a ps3 you can see almost all the way across the screen.

Online: you can buy old ps1 games you havent played in years and download them to the system sure you have emulators and such nowadays but why play on a computer which tends to freeze scenes for a moment before playing them.

Online: It's free, not like xbox where you have to pay to play online more people play ps2's/ps3's online then they do xbox or xbox 360.

Online: I have it from an inside source who works at the sony near where I live that multi-player games on ps3 will no longer be limited to 32, whats the most for xbox and the 360 16? now for socom 4 when it comes out it will be on the ps3, sony's talking maps bigger than any youve ever seen in a multiplayer game before. AT LEAST 60 people in one game room and with the biggest maps ever makes it easier to hide and more lifelike. You can be effing garenteed (cant speel tonight sorry)when this system uses all of its processors your characters are going to look act and feel lifelike as you control them and im not talking 3d real im talking actually person real and the 3d they do use with it will blow everything away.

as of right now ffxiii is scheduled for three releases FFXIII, FFXIII versus and the dell phone version which we might not even see in the US or anywhere outside of Japan because Japans cell phones are the most advanced out of anywhere elses.

Now for those of you who wonder why there are two ps3 versions the answer is fairly simple i read it in game informer or something, FFXIII takes place where the world is balanced and there are no crystals(i think thats what it said) the balance thing i know for sure. FFXIII Versus is completely the opposite of FFXIII so its speculation for me here in FFXIII the main character is female, in FFXIII Versus the main character could be male, what i do know is that Versus takes place in a chaotic world and has crystals(im actually pretty sure of this crystals part) now those of you who haven't taken a look at the screenshot need to do so, take the graphics from the screenshot and multiply it by two thats what the reall game is going to look like two times better than the screenshots.

Final fantasy has always been one of my favorite series's so pm me if you want to talk about the games.

Laters

oh sony never had exclusivity for the FF games Squaresoft, now square-enix has always gone with who they felt had the best potential it may seem that sony had exclusive right to them but think about it FFXII has another story coming out and its for the DS also FF chocobo tales(i think) is on the DS and look now FFIII is on the DS and all the old FF's are on the gameboy advance, yea sony had exclusivity for some of the games but not on the FF series and i think that we should get a petition started to send to square to remake FFVII for the ps3(they might have plans to do that though not sure) as they remade the opening cinema to show the ps3's power in the Early stages and it was beautiful.

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Prophecy

I couldn't careless if the specs said it was the best console 50 years from now. Right now it's to expensive for what you get. 90% of the PS3 library is offered on the 360 and/or the Wii. As for the other 10%? Nothing I want to play. In the end it's about the games not the power under the hood.


Moot point, 360 offers hi def too. Good games are not about eye candy. Eye candy is merely a bonus. I'm happy with Wii level graphics and solid game play.


I have a PSX if I wanted to play PSX games I'd dust it off and pop in some games. I will not spend $600 plus tax, plus an additional fee to download said PSX games to play on my PS3.

As for the cost of Live, it's $50 a year. A year... That is less than one game, Playstation, Xbox or PC once you include tax. For that $50 you get a very stable framework for any and all Live games plus lots of other stuff.


Sorry but I'm calling B.S. on this one. Who wants 60 players when all you can manage is a lag fest? If I wanted lag out the ass I'd play a MMO and sit in the main city all day. I'd rather have smaller rooms with a solid connection.

Several companies making games for both systems and the PC have stressed this as the reason for not having 60 player death matches in certain games.

I've seen the games released by first party Sony studios and no B.S. shots of some up coming games. Nothing is mind-blowingly better than PC or 360 graphics. Sorry, but PS3(same for any current console) is not going to produce photo realistic games. Pretty games, yes. Photo realistic and life like, no.



There will be numerous FF 13 games because Square has invested a lot of money into the universe is trying to milk the cash cow as long as they can. They mentioned in a press release they plan on making FF 13 based games for ten years.

At the end of the day if the PS3 doesn't have a large enough installed base for Square Enix's taste the game will be ported to some other market. Of course the game is not due out any time soon. When FF13 is finally ready to go gold, PS3 could be the #1 console on the market or all but dead like the N-Gage.

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Willravel

Sony overreached. It's a damn shame, too, because the system is gorgeous. I'll be keeping my PS2.

Good for Square. Loyalty in the video game business is rare, and can often be overly costly. They want to make sure they make it to FF30, and it's in their best interest.

Lasereth

Yep. This is a direct result of one figure: $600. $600. $600. $600 ruined the PS3. Sony will lower the price eventually, I'd say probably before the end of this year. Blu-Ray prices are going down faster than I thought they would and that's the main wallet-buster in the PS3.

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Pogue Mahone

So that's three games I'd get the PS-3 for that are no longer exclusives (the other two are Assasin's Creed and Devil May Cry 4).

If Metal Gear Solid 4 jumps ship (which it probably won't), I may have to consider getting a (used or re-furbished) 360.

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Prophecy

No word on MGS 4 jumping ship, however, some rumors from video game sites about it being pushed back to 2008 are floating around.

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Pogue Mahone

That's actually great. Means I have more of a chance of getting it the day it's released.

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CyCo PL

The Fabula Nova Crystallis project won't be exclusive... that doesn't mean that FFXIII itself won't be. I'm sure Sony will fight tooth and nail to keep the main FF franchise Sony exclusive, unless Square recognizes PS3 as a failing console. And really, the PS3 is selling just as well now as the X360 was six months after release.

Fallenleaf

Well lag fest or not my buddy works at sony as a game tester and well by the time socom 4 does come out internet speeds will be higher then ever right now on a really good cable or dsl(notice the really good) you can get 100mbps now granted not everybody has a connection like that but it should be mainstream soon. as the guy said up there blu-ray is the big wallet killer once blu-ray shoots down hello your looking at at least a 200 dollar drop. the only for sure exclusives on ffxiii is the original ffxiii and ffxiii versus but who knows that could change. as for me i will be purchasing a ps3 if i can find one in stores out here and the main reason for that RE5 and i wasnt talking about now with the life-like graphics im talking about 2-3 years from now you'll always be able to tell that the characters are animated but not by much.

Regardless of whether ffxiii is sony exclusive or not i will be buying it for the ps3 simply because sony's system really is better than xbox 360. I play the 360 with my friends and i must say i am not impressed with it, its ps2 graphics with more fluidity thats all. but im not going to spend my time arguing lol i dont want anyone to hate me.

the real question is who is actually looking forward to the release of FFXIII? I know i am for sure and prophecy you are completely right on the point it could go and die like then n-gage but i think its a low chance honestly all i can say though is that im totally pissed at nintendo at the moment. they totally could have blown the ps2 and xbox out of the water with the gamecube if they hadnt been so kid oriented, I own both versions of RE4 the gamecube and the ps2 and i must say the gamecube one is a whole lot nicer graphics wise. the graphics for it on the ps2 are kinda blocky and slower then the gamecube.

so im totally pissed, because i've been a nintendo fan for years and that they can make something that can make games look that good and be half the size of the other consoles, well i think the guy who decided the gamecube should be kid oriented needs to be shot. just my opinion

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Prophecy

Square Enix's FF Party recently wrapped up in Japan. Seems photos were not allowed in most of the display areas, so sorry no pics. Notable info:

-Parasite Eve 3 is a go, but only for Japanese cell phones.

-Final Fantasy XI is getting another expansion.

-Dragon Quest IX is in the works, unknown system.

-Kingdom Hearts game in the works, unknown system.

-SE asked guests to post sticky notes on a giant board. The most popular request: Remake Final Fantasy VII.

-SE is making a fighter for the PSP called Dissidia.

-The rest was new trailers of already mentioned games. Like Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy Versus XIII. Still no word on the game being ported.

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CyCo PL

Dragon Quest IX is going to be Nintendo DS exclusive.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163073.html

Lasereth

This whole topic was recently proven false by the way. FFXIII isn't going to the 360.

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Prophecy

Actually, that's not 100% truthful. SE just recently stoked the fanboy flames again by stating they're not completely ruling out porting it to the 360 at some later date.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25624

I'm betting if Sony doesn't throw enough Yen at Square Enix and The Last Remnant does well on the 360 we could be looking at either a timed exclusive (I'd wager a year) or a dual release.

Of course this could just be another misunderstanding.


Edit: Forget PS3 vs 360 for a second. At this point, does anyone on this board really care enough actually buy/pre-order FF13? Personally, I could careless. Other RPG companies are working on games that holding my interest a lot more than FF13.

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bookerV

I am going to buy FFXIII the day (or shortley thereafter) it comes out. I am looking forward to it. I haven't played a FF game since X, and I have always loved the FF series. I'm looking forward to seeing how it is going to play out.

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CyCo PL

Well, it's pretty much confirmed now. Final Fantasy XIII is coming to Xbox 360. It was a good run, Sony.

http://www.destructoid.com/e3-08-liv...ce-95146.phtml

Esoteric

http://kotaku.com/5025018/final-fant...ng-to-xbox-360

Wow, just...hahahaha. Sony is fucked I think. This is huge news for fanboys and FF fans alike.

I can hear the crying from here.....

Edit: Maybe now Sony will drop the price on the 40GB PS3 so I can buy one and enjoy MGS4.

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LoganSnake

Well this blows...

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CyCo PL

I have a PS3, so fortunately I'll still be able to play FF13, but I imagine the Sony fanboys are crying because they don't get to hold this all to themselves.

I'm personally looking forward to Fallout 3 more than anything.

QuasiMondo

Damnit, this doesn't make it any easier for me to decide whether I want a PS3 or a 360.

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Prophecy

Happy days are here, I'm changing my above comment to not caring about FF13 to caring now that's it's headed to the 360 (in the USA & Europe) officially. FF13 Versus is still being billed as PS3 exclusive.


It's about the games, right now 360 is ahead of PS3.

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Baraka_Guru

As a Wii owner, this makes me happy.

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CyCo PL

lol, that's funny... First thing I said when I heard FF13 was coming to Xbox was "Awesome, now Xbox fanboys can stop pretending to hate Final Fantasy."

:P

Honestly, the news doesn't surprise me at all. Microsoft have deep, deep pockets, and Square has constantly made it a point to explain the portability of the White Engine (or Crystal Tools, or whatever it's called now). They were even talking about compatibility with the Wii, although I doubt FF13 will come to it.

Prophecy

What a difference a year can make right?

Seriously though, don't misunderstand me. I don't hate FF. Just don't love it enough to buy a second console just for it. Same goes for any singular console game.

Edit: Honestly, if FF 13 wasn't ported I'd eventually follow the same path I did for FFX. I bought a PS2 in 2004 (three years after FFX was released) and got the console and the game on the cheap. Three years after FF 13 releases the PS3 outta be dirt cheap too.

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