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BadNick · 03-11-2009, 10:45 AM

I'm glad you're awake, but I'm no where near Wake Island. Go back to Ostrov Beringa and head about 600 miles due east, almost to the IDL.

uncle phil · 03-11-2009, 12:06 PM

i got nothin'...sorry...

BadNick · 03-11-2009, 12:53 PM

you're forgiven unc.

But I hate to be the first one in this game to have caused the guessers to give up. But just say "uncle" and I'll know what you mean and spill the beans...and take another turn, I presume...or does that make me permanently banned from this game? please don't banish me to lands unknown

uncle phil · 03-11-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by uncle phil

the only other island east of there and west of the IDL is preobrazhenskoye...

this is the best i've got, based on your clues...

there ain't nothin else 600 miles east of ostrov beringa and still west of the IDL...

BadNick · 03-11-2009, 05:01 PM

Give it another shot, I know you'll find me.

How about finding what might be the easternmost part of the United States? If you search that question, you'll see a place that has the easternmost longitude of any U.S. territory and it's an island in the Aleutian Islands of Alaska and it is actually in the Eastern Hemisphere. It surprised me that part of Alaska is actually in the Eastern Hemisphere.

MacGuyver · 03-11-2009, 05:08 PM

Attu Island in the Aleutian Islands... but that's over the IDL.

EDIT: Aha. Didn't see your post there. So I guess that solidifies my answer.

BadNick · 03-11-2009, 05:15 PM

Attu Island is a very good guess, MacGuyver, and quite close to where I am.

But since Attu has longitude coordinates of 172°54′33.84″E it is not "the easternmost" since the island I am on in the Aleutians has longitude coordinates over 179° and is widely noted to be the easternmost longitude in the U.S. Keep in mind that as the longitude numbers get lower you are moving more westward. Go east, young man, go east.

MacGuyver · 03-11-2009, 05:19 PM

must be Amatignak then.

BadNick · 03-11-2009, 05:30 PM

hahaa...I hunted through all these same places that you're guessing so I'm reliving my own frustrations.

However, Amatignak is in the Western Hemisphere, not in the Eastern Hemisphere.

In fact: Amatignak Island is a member of the Delarof Islands (western Andreanof Islands), in Alaska's Aleutian archipelago. The south-most point of Alaska is on this island, as well as the highest western longitude of the United States and North America.

Keep looking in that immediate area but just over the IDL in the eastern hemisphere. If you're looking at a map, you'll notice this island has a little "lake" near the middle of it since it is basically a volcano like most islands around here and I suspect that's part of the caldera.

MacGuyver · 03-11-2009, 05:42 PM

Semisopochnoi?

BadNick · 03-11-2009, 07:00 PM

bingo Semisopochnoi! You found me so you're up next, MacGuyver.

I always thought I was pretty good with geography but I was very surprised to find that part of one of the fifty states of the U.S. could be in the eastern hemisphere.

It's the spot marked A on the map below. On this map that line between Russia and Alaska is the border, not the IDL. Although there are islands to the "left" of A on the map, those are more western since they are further from the IDL than Semisopochnoi Island. And islands to the "right" are in the western hemisphere.

Semisopochnoi Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
At 179°37' East, Semisopochnoi is arguably the easternmost location in the United States and North America, as it sits only 23 minutes west of the 180th meridian, and therefore in the Eastern Hemisphere.

MacGuyver · 03-11-2009, 08:08 PM

Sweet! Fire away. I guess I'll go ahead and tell you im in the EH because I know that's going to be the first question asked, so lets just get that out of the way.

uncle phil · 03-12-2009, 02:39 AM

nick, i was going by the IDL...isn't that the hemispherical dividing line?

NH?

BadNick · 03-12-2009, 03:50 AM

Asia?

unc, I was also going by the IDL...at least I think/hope I didn't make some geographic screw up.

The IDL is measured/called the 180° longitude and the closer you are to 180 with an "E" east designation, the more "east" you are. Semisopochnoi is 179°37' East so it is less than 1 degree longitude away from the IDL on the east side. No?

Tully Mars · 03-12-2009, 04:22 AM

I call Opps!

For part of its length, the International Date Line follows the meridian of 180° longitude, roughly down the middle of the Pacific Ocean. In order to keep from crossing nations internally, however, the line deviates to pass around the far east of Russia and various island groups in the Pacific.

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MacGuyver- Europe?

BadNick · 03-12-2009, 06:23 AM

MacGuyver - are you on an island?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tully Mars

...I call Opps!...

Tul,
How do you/we reconcile that with Semisopochnoi's longitude being shown as 179°37' East in every reference I can find. Can anybody show a source saying it has a WH longitude or even on the IDL?

MacGuyver · 03-12-2009, 08:02 AM

Asia, no islands

BadNick · 03-12-2009, 10:46 AM

are you west of 70 degrees longitude?

...and I assume NH as previously guessed?

Tully Mars · 03-12-2009, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNick

Tul,
How do you/we reconcile that with Semisopochnoi's longitude being shown as 179°37' East in every reference I can find. Can anybody show a source saying it has a WH longitude or even on the IDL?

The photo you posted shows the IDL-

The IDL doesn't always follow 180 it jogs around things like countries. It does this mainly up around Russia and down in the islands in the South Pacific. Keeps countries all on the same date. It, unlike Greenwich, isn't always a straight line.

uncle phil · 03-12-2009, 11:33 AM

landlocked country?

MacGuyver · 03-12-2009, 11:57 AM

Not west of long 70. Higher longitude number than 70.

Landlocked is a tough question. It depends on perspective and borders I suppose, but it is fairly close in proximity to the water. Technically it is part of a country that is not landlocked, but don't get too technical.

uncle phil · 03-12-2009, 12:18 PM

by landlocked, we mean a country that does NOT have any border on an ocean. e.g., pennsylvania borders on lake erie but not the atlantic ocean; ergo it is considered "landlocked..."

so, are we dealing with a province?

BadNick · 03-12-2009, 12:27 PM

Are you in Tadschikistan?

Tul,
you're just jealous 'cause you didn't find me

...from my POV anyway you slice it Semisopochnoi is shown with an EH longitude but it is part of Alaska...so go figure. Unless you have a source showing it in the WH in which case I'll grovel and drink too many beers as penance.

MacGuyver · 03-12-2009, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle phil

by landlocked, we mean a country that does NOT have any border on an ocean. e.g., pennsylvania borders on lake erie but not the atlantic ocean; ergo it is considered "landlocked..."

so, are we dealing with a province?

Yeah I knew what it meant, I just got a little too subjective in my answer. Sorry, I was kind of roundabout in that respect. TECHNICALLY, this place is part of a country that is not landlocked.

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Originally Posted by BadNick

Are you in Tadschikistan?

Nope. More Asia, less Eastern Europe.

uncle phil · 03-12-2009, 01:51 PM

are you in afghanistan?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNick

Are you in Tadschikistan?

Tul,
you're just jealous 'cause you didn't find me

...from my POV anyway you slice it Semisopochnoi is shown with an EH longitude but it is part of Alaska...so go figure. Unless you have a source showing it in the WH in which case I'll grovel and drink too many beers as penance.

tul, if we ever get together in fells point this summer, i'll help him drink so many beers he'll think he fell OFF the point...

MacGuyver · 03-12-2009, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle phil

are you in afghanistan?

Nope. More Asia, less Middle East. Remember guys, I am EAST of 70 long.

uncle phil · 03-12-2009, 02:32 PM

sorry, forgot...

nepal?

MacGuyver · 03-12-2009, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle phil

sorry, forgot...

nepal?

No but now you are in the immediate vicinity. Once you guys get the country then we can start to narrow it down.

uncle phil · 03-12-2009, 03:46 PM

bhutan?

MacGuyver · 03-12-2009, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle phil

bhutan?

You're getting warmer! This is a sort of famous spiritual place. or it could be considered infamous I guess depending on how you look at it.

uncle phil · 03-12-2009, 04:08 PM

sikkim?

MacGuyver · 03-12-2009, 04:16 PM

nope, you're going back the wrong direction.

Tully Mars · 03-12-2009, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNick

Are you in Tadschikistan?

Tul,
you're just jealous 'cause you didn't find me

...from my POV anyway you slice it Semisopochnoi is shown with an EH longitude but it is part of Alaska...so go figure. Unless you have a source showing it in the WH in which case I'll grovel and drink too many beers as penance.

I've been pretty busy and happy not to have the "flag." But I think you should begin the grovel now...

You said-

Quote:

unc, I was also going by the IDL.

The IDL clearly goes west of your location. All of Alaska, going by the IDL, is in the WH.

Go drink your beer. I'll do the same, it's been along day.

BadNick · 03-12-2009, 05:38 PM

Mac, are you in Kashmir? <<< I have a feeling you are!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tully Mars

....All of Alaska, going by the IDL, is in the WH.

Go drink your beer. I'll do the same, it's been along day.

I had a couple tall mugs of Victory Brewery's new beer today...I think it's called Victory Devil although I don't see it listed on their website...I think it just came out and good old Tony's had it featured today so I had some. Knowing that I'm such a beer-o-phile they came over to ask me what I thought of it. My initial impression, actually suspicion since I thought this before even tasting it, was that it would hit me/you over the head with HOPS!!! like too many beers seem to be doing now adays. So my first few sips were quite hoppy but then the taste mellowed out, which they told me was from the combination of Belgian wheat beer style with the hops. All in all, I liked it and would have it again...maybe tomorrow

So Tul...other than your bombastic claims, do you have any references you can point me to, to support your claim of "all of Alaska in the WH"?

Here's another one to support my claim, this is from
Alaska History and Cultural Studies - The Geography of Alaska - Alaska's Location

Alaska has the distinction of being in both the eastern and the western hemisphere. The Rat Islands and Near Islands lie in the Eastern Hemisphere. Thus, Alaska is sometimes the subject of trivia game questions: “What is the northernmost, westernmost, and easternmost state of the United States?”

MacGuyver · 03-12-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BadNick

Mac, are you in Kashmir? <<< I have a feeling you are!

Being the Led Zeppelin fan that I am, you got it... wrong. Sorry. I do really love zep though.

You guys keep going in the wrong direction! Bhutan was so much closer.

BadNick · 03-12-2009, 06:46 PM

are you in Tibet?

YouTube - Led Zeppelin - Kashmir - Earls Court 1975

uncle phil · 03-13-2009, 02:25 AM

arunachal pradesh?

Tully Mars · 03-13-2009, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNick

Mac, are you in Kashmir? <<< I have a feeling you are!

I had a couple tall mugs of Victory Brewery's new beer today...I think it's called Victory Devil although I don't see it listed on their website...I think it just came out and good old Tony's had it featured today so I had some. Knowing that I'm such a beer-o-phile they came over to ask me what I thought of it. My initial impression, actually suspicion since I thought this before even tasting it, was that it would hit me/you over the head with HOPS!!! like too many beers seem to be doing now adays. So my first few sips were quite hoppy but then the taste mellowed out, which they told me was from the combination of Belgian wheat beer style with the hops. All in all, I liked it and would have it again...maybe tomorrow

So Tul...other than your bombastic claims, do you have any references you can point me to, to support your claim of "all of Alaska in the WH"?

Here's another one to support my claim, this is from
Alaska History and Cultural Studies - The Geography of Alaska - Alaska's Location

Alaska has the distinction of being in both the eastern and the western hemisphere. The Rat Islands and Near Islands lie in the Eastern Hemisphere. Thus, Alaska is sometimes the subject of trivia game questions: “What is the northernmost, westernmost, and easternmost state of the United States?”

You left off "According to this system" and I don't see any claims in the article that show the IDL always on 180 or that the IDL is in a different location then any other source. The IDL swings west around Alaska, leaving it's outer islands on a the same date as the then rest of the state.

When you said-

Quote:

unc, I was also going by the IDL...at least I think/hope I didn't make some geographic screw up.

The IDL is measured/called the 180° longitude and the closer you are to 180 with an "E" east designation, the more "east" you are. Semisopochnoi is 179°37' East so it is less than 1 degree longitude away from the IDL on the east side. No?

It is in fact "No." Least at some locations. Like Alaska where it jogs around the states outer islands. Leaving all of the state in the WH by your own words that you were going by by the IDL.

Or do you have a source showing the IDL running through the Aleutian Islands... or did you simply misspeak when you told Unc you were going by to the IDL? You simply can't have it both ways.

It's old news and too early here to drink beer (not to mention this entire issue is nothing to get excited about.)

Now where's my morning coffee.

MacGuyver- You're not sitting on top of Everest are you?

BadNick · 03-13-2009, 05:28 AM

Mac,
are you at Mt. Kailash, Tibet?

OK, Tul, I think I get your point now. So I was in fact wrong by saying the "IDL" when I should have talked about the 180° longitude line that separates the EH and WH. While all of Alaska is on one side of the IDL, the EH/WH dividing line does put Semisopochnoi Island just to the EH side of that line so it is the easternmost part of the U.S.

MacGuyver · 03-13-2009, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle phil

arunachal pradesh?

I am! Now just narrow down to where I am in here. I already gave a clue as to where.

03-11-2009, 12:06 PM	#4842 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	i got nothin'...sorry... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

03-11-2009, 05:08 PM	#4846 (permalink)
MacGuyver You're going to have to trust me! Location: Massachusetts	Attu Island in the Aleutian Islands... but that's over the IDL. EDIT: Aha. Didn't see your post there. So I guess that solidifies my answer. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. ---Aristotle Deeds, not words, shall speak [for] me. ---John Fletcher

03-11-2009, 05:19 PM	#4848 (permalink)
MacGuyver You're going to have to trust me! Location: Massachusetts	must be Amatignak then. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. ---Aristotle Deeds, not words, shall speak [for] me. ---John Fletcher

03-11-2009, 05:42 PM	#4850 (permalink)
MacGuyver You're going to have to trust me! Location: Massachusetts	Semisopochnoi? __________________ We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. ---Aristotle Deeds, not words, shall speak [for] me. ---John Fletcher

03-11-2009, 08:08 PM	#4852 (permalink)
MacGuyver You're going to have to trust me! Location: Massachusetts	Sweet! Fire away. I guess I'll go ahead and tell you im in the EH because I know that's going to be the first question asked, so lets just get that out of the way. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. ---Aristotle Deeds, not words, shall speak [for] me. ---John Fletcher

03-11-2009, 10:45 AM	#4841 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	I'm glad you're awake, but I'm no where near Wake Island. Go back to Ostrov Beringa and head about 600 miles due east, almost to the IDL.

03-11-2009, 12:53 PM	#4843 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	you're forgiven unc. But I hate to be the first one in this game to have caused the guessers to give up. But just say "uncle" and I'll know what you mean and spill the beans...and take another turn, I presume...or does that make me permanently banned from this game? please don't banish me to lands unknown

03-11-2009, 05:01 PM	#4845 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	Give it another shot, I know you'll find me. How about finding what might be the easternmost part of the United States? If you search that question, you'll see a place that has the easternmost longitude of any U.S. territory and it's an island in the Aleutian Islands of Alaska and it is actually in the Eastern Hemisphere. It surprised me that part of Alaska is actually in the Eastern Hemisphere.

03-11-2009, 05:15 PM	#4847 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	Attu Island is a very good guess, MacGuyver, and quite close to where I am. But since Attu has longitude coordinates of 172°54′33.84″E it is not "the easternmost" since the island I am on in the Aleutians has longitude coordinates over 179° and is widely noted to be the easternmost longitude in the U.S. Keep in mind that as the longitude numbers get lower you are moving more westward. Go east, young man, go east.

03-11-2009, 05:30 PM	#4849 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	hahaa...I hunted through all these same places that you're guessing so I'm reliving my own frustrations. However, Amatignak is in the Western Hemisphere, not in the Eastern Hemisphere. In fact: Amatignak Island is a member of the Delarof Islands (western Andreanof Islands), in Alaska's Aleutian archipelago. The south-most point of Alaska is on this island, as well as the highest western longitude of the United States and North America. Keep looking in that immediate area but just over the IDL in the eastern hemisphere. If you're looking at a map, you'll notice this island has a little "lake" near the middle of it since it is basically a volcano like most islands around here and I suspect that's part of the caldera.

03-11-2009, 07:00 PM	#4851 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	bingo Semisopochnoi! You found me so you're up next, MacGuyver. I always thought I was pretty good with geography but I was very surprised to find that part of one of the fifty states of the U.S. could be in the eastern hemisphere. It's the spot marked A on the map below. On this map that line between Russia and Alaska is the border, not the IDL. Although there are islands to the "left" of A on the map, those are more western since they are further from the IDL than Semisopochnoi Island. And islands to the "right" are in the western hemisphere. Semisopochnoi Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia At 179°37' East, Semisopochnoi is arguably the easternmost location in the United States and North America, as it sits only 23 minutes west of the 180th meridian, and therefore in the Eastern Hemisphere.

03-12-2009, 02:39 AM	#4853 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nick, i was going by the IDL...isn't that the hemispherical dividing line? NH? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

03-12-2009, 03:50 AM	#4854 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	Asia? unc, I was also going by the IDL...at least I think/hope I didn't make some geographic screw up. The IDL is measured/called the 180° longitude and the closer you are to 180 with an "E" east designation, the more "east" you are. Semisopochnoi is 179°37' East so it is less than 1 degree longitude away from the IDL on the east side. No?

03-12-2009, 04:22 AM	#4855 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	I call Opps! For part of its length, the International Date Line follows the meridian of 180° longitude, roughly down the middle of the Pacific Ocean. In order to keep from crossing nations internally, however, the line deviates to pass around the far east of Russia and various island groups in the Pacific. ---------- Post added at 06:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:21 AM ---------- MacGuyver- Europe? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

03-12-2009, 08:02 AM	#4857 (permalink)
MacGuyver You're going to have to trust me! Location: Massachusetts	Asia, no islands __________________ We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. ---Aristotle Deeds, not words, shall speak [for] me. ---John Fletcher

03-12-2009, 10:46 AM	#4858 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	are you west of 70 degrees longitude? ...and I assume NH as previously guessed?

03-12-2009, 11:33 AM	#4860 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	landlocked country? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

03-12-2009, 11:57 AM	#4861 (permalink)
MacGuyver You're going to have to trust me! Location: Massachusetts	Not west of long 70. Higher longitude number than 70. Landlocked is a tough question. It depends on perspective and borders I suppose, but it is fairly close in proximity to the water. Technically it is part of a country that is not landlocked, but don't get too technical. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. ---Aristotle Deeds, not words, shall speak [for] me. ---John Fletcher

03-12-2009, 12:18 PM	#4862 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	by landlocked, we mean a country that does NOT have any border on an ocean. e.g., pennsylvania borders on lake erie but not the atlantic ocean; ergo it is considered "landlocked..." so, are we dealing with a province? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

03-12-2009, 12:27 PM	#4863 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	Are you in Tadschikistan? Tul, you're just jealous 'cause you didn't find me ...from my POV anyway you slice it Semisopochnoi is shown with an EH longitude but it is part of Alaska...so go figure. Unless you have a source showing it in the WH in which case I'll grovel and drink too many beers as penance.

03-12-2009, 02:32 PM	#4867 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	sorry, forgot... nepal? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

03-12-2009, 03:46 PM	#4869 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	bhutan? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

03-12-2009, 04:08 PM	#4871 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	sikkim? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

03-12-2009, 04:16 PM	#4872 (permalink)
MacGuyver You're going to have to trust me! Location: Massachusetts	nope, you're going back the wrong direction. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. ---Aristotle Deeds, not words, shall speak [for] me. ---John Fletcher

03-13-2009, 02:25 AM	#4877 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	arunachal pradesh? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

03-13-2009, 05:28 AM	#4879 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	Mac, are you at Mt. Kailash, Tibet? OK, Tul, I think I get your point now. So I was in fact wrong by saying the "IDL" when I should have talked about the 180° longitude line that separates the EH and WH. While all of Alaska is on one side of the IDL, the EH/WH dividing line does put Semisopochnoi Island just to the EH side of that line so it is the easternmost part of the U.S. Last edited by BadNick; 03-13-2009 at 05:31 AM..