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alpha66 · 04-24-2006, 04:40 PM

what does it mean to you?

spindles · 04-25-2006, 09:43 PM

hardly a lot of info on your opinion - which might help to start a discussion

Anyway, this is a very Aussie day. It is quite ironic that we "celebrate" a battle in which we were soundly defeated - which in itself is quite an Aussie thing to do - "we didn't win but we gave it a bloody good go".

I think for me it is a reminder that people many years ago fought so that we can enjoy the freedom that we have today.

It is special to me as my father is a Vietnam Vet.

It's also good cause you get a day off work

alpha66 · 04-26-2006, 01:08 AM

hey i thought i would see what bites i would get first!
well i would say, to me, without analizing the shit out of it. i feel it is when australia really became a nation. it is a deep part of our national charictor. the fact that the main thing it commemorates is a battle that australia should never have fought (galipoli) just enforces that ..... our young men were sent to the wrong place by incompetent british officers and against almost impossible odds they stuck to it and stayed there. our soldiers were even able to make friends with the turks one minuite then hours later go back to bombing the shit out of each other! .... war is crazy!
my great grandfather was a medic at galipolli! so it hold a special reverence in my heart! soooooo next year, i will be standing on the battle field as the sun is rising ! i'm sure that it is something i will never forget!

that's my 2 cents!

Nimetic · 04-27-2006, 04:06 AM

It never meant much to me, until I saw some old veterans marching.

I think now - it means an appreciation of the sorrow and loss that others have experienced doing what they saw as their duty (if not their legal obligation).

I'm not entirely sure that everyone sees it in quite the same way.

One thing that bothers me now is that there are less of the old guys. I worry that those generations (men and women) probably had a greater appreciation of the negative aspects of war and nationalism than some of those that have grown up since.

dlish · 04-27-2006, 04:22 AM

i'd have to disagree with spindles on this one..

"I think for me it is a reminder that people many years ago fought so that we can enjoy the freedom that we have today."

sorry to be a cynic here, but remind me how going to gallipoli gave "us" 'freedom' that we have today.

with all due respect, our soldiers fulfilled a duty that we had to do, but other than have our own innocent young men walk into a wall of bullets for some one elses ego, it did little else than kill our soldiers.

Kostya · 04-27-2006, 05:00 AM

I do not see anything but negative aspects to nationalism and war, I don't like the kind of patronising jingoistic rhetoric that has become the sine non qua of the media coverage and I don't like the way that historical truths take second place to mythology.

This is not to say that I do not think that we ought not reflect on those who served in wars however, merely that the way ANZAC Day is handled is not at all satisfactory.

dlish · 04-28-2006, 06:01 AM

ok kostya..... care to explain what this means exactly cos to me its just gibberish...

[QUOTE=Kostya]that has become the sine non qua of the media coverage QUOTE]

wtf?!?!!?!? anyone else make sense of this?.. you can at least spell it out for us p-h-o-n-e-t-i-c-a-l-l-y.

now that you have showed your prowess and command over the english lanuguage..can you please talk Ostraelien.

maleficent · 04-28-2006, 06:25 AM

sine qua non - it's a latin term - that means "without which not" -loosely translated it's an essential action or ingredient without which something would be impossible.

/me paid attention in economics

Kostya · 04-28-2006, 08:37 PM

My apologies Dlish, I believe Maleficient's translation is quite adequate. I'm simply saying that the ridiculous nationalistic crap is inextricable from the media coverage of ANZAC Day.

I tend to throw Latin in here and there, it's a very convenient language! For instance etc. is shorthand for the Latin et cetera, which translates roughly to "and so on."

Stick · 04-29-2006, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostya

...I don't like the kind of patronising jingoistic rhetoric that has become the sine non qua of the media coverage and I don't like the way that historical truths take second place to mythology.

Me too.

The Govt. and media seem to be working together to create a mystical 'ANZAC Spirit'.
You know how the fantasy 'ANZAC Spirit' goes - The sun bronzed everyday Oz superman overcoming evil against overwhelming odds.

Then the next day the the harsh reality of the real 'ANZAC Spirit' presents itself - the media is full of stories about our politicians talking tough,
but in the next instant changing our laws to placate the Indonesians or bowing to pressure from the Seppo's and signing an alleged 'Free Trade Agreement'.

Kissing the Seppo's arses and sucking the cock of any Indonesian Govt. official that happens to drop his pants seems to be a full time occupation for our politicians.

04-24-2006, 04:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
alpha66 Upright	ANZAC day what does it mean to you?

04-25-2006, 09:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
spindles Mine is an evil laugh Location: Sydney, Australia	hardly a lot of info on your opinion - which might help to start a discussion Anyway, this is a very Aussie day. It is quite ironic that we "celebrate" a battle in which we were soundly defeated - which in itself is quite an Aussie thing to do - "we didn't win but we gave it a bloody good go". I think for me it is a reminder that people many years ago fought so that we can enjoy the freedom that we have today. It is special to me as my father is a Vietnam Vet. It's also good cause you get a day off work __________________ who hid my keyboard's PANIC button?

04-27-2006, 04:22 AM	#5 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	i'd have to disagree with spindles on this one.. "I think for me it is a reminder that people many years ago fought so that we can enjoy the freedom that we have today." sorry to be a cynic here, but remind me how going to gallipoli gave "us" 'freedom' that we have today. with all due respect, our soldiers fulfilled a duty that we had to do, but other than have our own innocent young men walk into a wall of bullets for some one elses ego, it did little else than kill our soldiers. __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

04-28-2006, 06:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	ok kostya..... care to explain what this means exactly cos to me its just gibberish... [QUOTE=Kostya]that has become the sine non qua of the media coverage QUOTE] wtf?!?!!?!? anyone else make sense of this?.. you can at least spell it out for us p-h-o-n-e-t-i-c-a-l-l-y. now that you have showed your prowess and command over the english lanuguage..can you please talk Ostraelien. __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

04-28-2006, 06:25 AM	#8 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	sine qua non - it's a latin term - that means "without which not" -loosely translated it's an essential action or ingredient without which something would be impossible. /me paid attention in economics __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

04-26-2006, 01:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
alpha66 Upright	hey i thought i would see what bites i would get first! well i would say, to me, without analizing the shit out of it. i feel it is when australia really became a nation. it is a deep part of our national charictor. the fact that the main thing it commemorates is a battle that australia should never have fought (galipoli) just enforces that ..... our young men were sent to the wrong place by incompetent british officers and against almost impossible odds they stuck to it and stayed there. our soldiers were even able to make friends with the turks one minuite then hours later go back to bombing the shit out of each other! .... war is crazy! my great grandfather was a medic at galipolli! so it hold a special reverence in my heart! soooooo next year, i will be standing on the battle field as the sun is rising ! i'm sure that it is something i will never forget! that's my 2 cents!

04-27-2006, 04:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
Nimetic Junkie Location: Melbourne, Australia	It never meant much to me, until I saw some old veterans marching. I think now - it means an appreciation of the sorrow and loss that others have experienced doing what they saw as their duty (if not their legal obligation). I'm not entirely sure that everyone sees it in quite the same way. One thing that bothers me now is that there are less of the old guys. I worry that those generations (men and women) probably had a greater appreciation of the negative aspects of war and nationalism than some of those that have grown up since.

04-27-2006, 05:00 AM	#6 (permalink)
Kostya Little known... Location: Brisbane, Australia	I do not see anything but negative aspects to nationalism and war, I don't like the kind of patronising jingoistic rhetoric that has become the sine non qua of the media coverage and I don't like the way that historical truths take second place to mythology. This is not to say that I do not think that we ought not reflect on those who served in wars however, merely that the way ANZAC Day is handled is not at all satisfactory.

04-28-2006, 08:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
Kostya Little known... Location: Brisbane, Australia	My apologies Dlish, I believe Maleficient's translation is quite adequate. I'm simply saying that the ridiculous nationalistic crap is inextricable from the media coverage of ANZAC Day. I tend to throw Latin in here and there, it's a very convenient language! For instance etc. is shorthand for the Latin et cetera, which translates roughly to "and so on."