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the_marq · 05-20-2005, 09:52 AM

I was shocked to see there was no Spiderman 3 thread... what kind of nerds are you people?

I just read that Topher Grace has been cast in the movie. This brings the cast to Tobey McGuire. Kirsten Dunst, James Franco, Tom Church and now 'Foreman.'

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Affable actor Topher Grace is the newest catch for the upcoming Spider-Man movie.

Grace, who made his onscreen exit from his hit sitcom That '70s Show this week, joins the cast along with Thomas Hayden Church, last seen in the award-winning film Sideways.

Topher Grace in a scene from 'In Good Company.' (Photo: Glen Wilson. Courtesy Universal Studios)

"I couldn't be more excited about the direction we are taking the continuing adventures of Peter Parker," director Sam Raimi said in a statement Thursday. "Topher Grace is an extraordinarily talented actor and will be perfect for the complexities of the role we are developing."

As far as casting, that's about as much as the film's makers have to say, having vowed to keep secret which of the comic book franchise's many characters Grace and Church will portray.

"Just before I came here, we were all on the phone with [other Marvel executives] and I said to them, 'Are you nuts? We can't tell anybody who he is. This is all the fun. The fun is figuring out,'" Marvel Studios chair and CEO Avi Arad told MTV Thursday.

Hinting that Grace was being cast contrary to his usual nice-guy image, Arad said the choice continues a tradition of atypical casting when taking Marvel characters to the screen.

"That's the fun in this universe. We have a good rule about this: there is no against type. You find someone who brings the role of the individual, not the costumed individual, to life," he said. "Before we put Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man ... if you just did a [survey], I don't think you would have heard too many Tobey Maguires."

Spiderman 3, set for release in May 2007, sees the return of stars Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst and James Franco. Production is scheduled to begin in early 2006.

According to Columbia Pictures, the first two films have grossed more than $1.5 billion so far in worldwide ticket sales.

Though he had little acting experience when he won the starring role in That '70s Show seven years ago, Grace has built up a small, but respectable film résumé, most recently including In Good Company and P.S. as well as smaller roles in Steven Soderbergh's films Traffic, Ocean's Eleven and Ocean's Twelve.

My guess is we're going to see bad guys: The Sandman, Venom and/or Electro.

Anyone else care to take a guess?

BalloonKnots · 05-20-2005, 12:27 PM

I wouldn't mind it if Spidey3 had a sexy villain in it.

http://www.themovieblog.com/archives..._revealed.html

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We've all been pondering on who and what the villain of Spiderman 3 could be, well Coming Soon seem to be all over this one with news from New York Daily News:

The New York Daily News spoke to Chloë Sevigny (Melinda and Melinda, American Psycho) who says she's trying to land a role in Spider-Man 3.
"I'd love to be in 'Spider-Man 3!'" Sevigny says. "There's a villain in it who's a blond, buxom girl, and I'm trying to get it!

She adds, "That [may] surprise people, since actors are always thought of as their last film or who they were. I think I'll always be drawn to films more difficult to watch, but I don't want to be a snobby cinephile."

I've never read any of the Spiderman comics or seen anything with this villain. However it's a bit of a surprise with everyone guessing much more widely known characters such as Venom. I hope there's not going to be multiple villains again.

FngKestrel · 05-20-2005, 01:59 PM

From the way the second one ended, I would guess that Venom won't be around until the 4th in the series. Ideally, I would think that they'd build up Eddie Brock's character a bit more while Spidey fights Green Goblin 2 and possibly the Lizard. They can set up Spidey's black costume and hand it over to Brock at the end of the third.

Chloe Sevigny is probably going to be Black Cat, not quite a villain, but probably a counter love-interest to Mary Jane.

flamingdog · 05-20-2005, 02:10 PM

I never saw Spider Man 2. Is it worth it?

FngKestrel · 05-20-2005, 02:20 PM

Yes. Absolutely.

Fremen · 05-20-2005, 10:16 PM

Never much cared for Chloë Sevigny.

I'd like to see someone play The Vulture. Maybe Ben Kingsley.

guthmund · 05-21-2005, 12:31 PM

I can't possibly speculate as to who's going to play what villian as I don't know nearly enough of the Spider-verse to make any sort guess.

However, Raimi (and his crew, for that matter) has done a spectacular job with the last two Spiderman movies, I expect this one to be no different.

Just like the Lord of the Rings trilogy before, and now, the Harry Potter movies, I'm definately excited about the upcoming installments.

It's in good hands.

crossova · 05-23-2005, 07:14 AM

Topher Grace = Carnage
*they did say he would play somebody completely opposite from his good-guy image

But definitely Green Goblin and/or Lizard should be in SM3. They need to dedicate a whole movie to the black suit and Venom.

Willravel · 05-23-2005, 12:52 PM

I woulnd't expect them to introduce villans or heros in order considering they started with the Green Goblin. I would have gone with the Lizard for SM1, Doc Oc for SM2 (with different casting for Doc Oc), Hobgoblin for SM3, Alien suit/Venom for SM4, Mysterio and Green Goblin for SM5, Venom Seperation anxiety for SM6, and Jackel/Maximum Clonage/Scarlet Spider for SM7. SM8 would be the end of the series featuring Peter the Clone retiring, and Ben going on as Spiderman. Wait 10 or 15 years, then start again.

Of course, I am not in charge. I would very much like to see Dylan Baker come in as the Lizard for SM3 (not jump right back into the Green Goblin storyline). It might be interesting to start getting into the biological aspects of Spiderman, as opposed to the lite hero philosophy we've been getting (i.e. what is a hero? why should I be a hero? etc). We could even have Spiderman begin to undergo his transformations.

0energy0 · 05-23-2005, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fremen

I'd like to see someone play The Vulture. Maybe Ben Kingsley.

vulture? why? i think he was one of petey's worst villains in history. try chameleon or carnage.

guthmund · 05-24-2005, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 0energy0

vulture? why? i think he was one of petey's worst villains in history. try chameleon or carnage.

He was a bad villian, but that is pretty good casting. /shrugs

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Originally Posted by willravel

Doc Oc for SM2 (with different casting for Doc Oc),

I really liked Molina as Doc Oc.... Who would you have picked?

And your right, they do need to do something to shake the new movie up a bit and exploring the other avenues (other than blandly following the villian-o-matic storyline) would certainly do that.

LoganSnake · 05-24-2005, 07:44 AM

Venom will not be in the third Spiderman. I'd rather see Carnage myself.

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AICN reports that multiple spies at Sony have confirmed that Thomas Hayden Church will indeed be playing the villain The Sandman. There's apparently a ton of Sandman conceptual art all over the Spidey-offices. The character was a prison escapee hiding out at an atomic testing facility when a explosion goes off. His molecules fuse with sand, giving him essentially shape shifting ability along with various other skills."

Willravel · 05-25-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by guthmund

I really liked Molina as Doc Oc.... Who would you have picked?

Molina was okay...but I would have killed to see someone with more edge in the role. If I saw Alfred Molina walking in a dark alley, I would not be afraid. I might even be glad. I'm not sure off the top of my head who I would have chosen, but Alfred Molina would not have been at the top of my list.

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Originally Posted by guthmund

And your right, they do need to do something to shake the new movie up a bit and exploring the other avenues (other than blandly following the villian-o-matic storyline) would certainly do that.

I would kill to see Maximum Clonage made into a movie or two. Of course then we have to deal with a multitude of things lightly skipped over in SM1 and 2.

djflish · 06-05-2005, 03:59 AM

The Film magazine I read says that TH Church is going to play Sandman. *FACT*
I'm happy with that casting and Sandman has always been one of my favourite villians

Gilda · 06-05-2005, 06:54 AM

They may cast actors against type, but they do tend to cast them to physically resemble, at least in some way, the character from the comics. Topher Grace is tall and thin. He's not going to be the Man-Wolf or Lizard, as those parts are already taken by actors in the first two movies, and he's not right for either. Carnage doesn't work unless you have Venom first; Carnage is kinda like venom upgraded and nastier.

Of the major villains, they've hit the big two; Goblin and Doctor Octopus. Of the biggies, I'm thinking Electro would be the best fit for Grace. He hasn't been used yet, and he'd make for a good secondary villain along with Sandman and Green Goblin 2.

I though Molina was perfect as Doc Ock. He had the look, and he's able to pull of the nice guy genius scientist part and deliver lines like "I'll peel the flesh from her bones" with equal aplomb. Remember, this is a different Doc Ock than the comics, where he was an egomaniac that everyone hated before the accident with the arms slowly drove him insane.

sadistikdreams · 06-05-2005, 12:03 PM

I bet Topher Grace is gonna be Quentin Beck (Mysterio).

Halx · 06-05-2005, 12:36 PM

I dont think they'll ever touch Carnage... you cant do Carnage without an R rating.

archer2371 · 06-10-2005, 04:14 PM

^Too true, he's a sick fuck.

Anyways, I'll wait on some more developments before offering any conjecture.

pan6467 · 06-10-2005, 04:25 PM

Could be they'll bring in a totally new villian. Highly doubt it tho. Personally, I would like to see a creative new villian that hasn't appeared in the comic yet.

Siege · 06-10-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

Could be they'll bring in a totally new villian. Highly doubt it tho. Personally, I would like to see a creative new villian that hasn't appeared in the comic yet.

And risk having all the comic book nerds complaining that they didn't stay anywhere near to the story line?

Personally, I really REALLY want to see Venom and Carnage. But as Halx pointed out, you can't do a true Carnage without a R rating. How unfortunate..

Lockjaw · 06-10-2005, 06:21 PM

I think they should stay far far away from the symbiotes.

Not to say I wouldn't geek out if I saw a movie Spidey Venom fight BUT...I don't think the character would translate well to the big screen.

I mean the cartoon arleady alterted Brock/Venom enough changing it from the costume Spidey picked up during the Secret Wars to some thing that Jameson's son brought back from the moon on accident. And even that would be too ridiculous for the movies. Much less with Carnage...Spidey's old costume had a baby? Nobody would watch that.
Classic Spider-man has plenty of interesting villains to play off of without needing to go into Venom.
Mysterio,Kraven,Hobogoblin,Electro,Lizard,Green Goblin 2(which they HAVE to do in my opinion).

And that leaves out guys like Shocker,Rhino,Hydroman,Tombstone...etc...
Personally I just want to see two more movies after number three.
A Sinister Six story with six of any of the above villains. With Black Cat there to add some stress to Newlywed Spider-man and to help out in the final fight.

Then the last one with the big final confrontation between Harry and Peter.

the_marq · 06-14-2005, 07:26 AM

One thing to consider about who the next Spider-Man villian is going to be; is how that character is going to translate to live-action. In the comics you really can do anything, and a skillful artist can make it look good and if not belivable, at least plausible. However in a movie it has too look realistic and should not be overly original.

I think it's that issue that ultimately lead to the Hulk being a failure at the box office, even tho I thought it was good. The movie going public just wasn't able to get past the big green monster in purple pants... c'mon, it's fucking ridiculous. I fear the same issue will befall a character like Venom or Carnage... they're bad guy psychos who are covered in a living goo? Uhh... no thanks. Even Sandman and Hydro-Man seem to fall in to that same trap...

Give me a guy who:
**has robotic arms and smashes stuff
**can shoot lightining from his hands

...those are your money bad guys. Powers the great unwashed movie-going public can get behind.

I'm curious to see how they pull off Sandman (if the rumours are true) I hope it goes well.

05-20-2005, 10:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	Never much cared for Chloë Sevigny. I'd like to see someone play The Vulture. Maybe Ben Kingsley. __________________ Google

05-21-2005, 12:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	I can't possibly speculate as to who's going to play what villian as I don't know nearly enough of the Spider-verse to make any sort guess. However, Raimi (and his crew, for that matter) has done a spectacular job with the last two Spiderman movies, I expect this one to be no different. Just like the Lord of the Rings trilogy before, and now, the Harry Potter movies, I'm definately excited about the upcoming installments. It's in good hands. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

06-05-2005, 03:59 AM	#14 (permalink)
djflish The Mighty Boosh Location: I mostly come out at night, mostly...	The Film magazine I read says that TH Church is going to play Sandman. FACT I'm happy with that casting and Sandman has always been one of my favourite villians __________________ Europes two great narcotics, Alcohol and Christianity. I know which one I prefer.

06-05-2005, 06:54 AM	#15 (permalink)
Gilda 32 flavors and then some Location: Out on a wire.	They may cast actors against type, but they do tend to cast them to physically resemble, at least in some way, the character from the comics. Topher Grace is tall and thin. He's not going to be the Man-Wolf or Lizard, as those parts are already taken by actors in the first two movies, and he's not right for either. Carnage doesn't work unless you have Venom first; Carnage is kinda like venom upgraded and nastier. Of the major villains, they've hit the big two; Goblin and Doctor Octopus. Of the biggies, I'm thinking Electro would be the best fit for Grace. He hasn't been used yet, and he'd make for a good secondary villain along with Sandman and Green Goblin 2. I though Molina was perfect as Doc Ock. He had the look, and he's able to pull of the nice guy genius scientist part and deliver lines like "I'll peel the flesh from her bones" with equal aplomb. Remember, this is a different Doc Ock than the comics, where he was an egomaniac that everyone hated before the accident with the arms slowly drove him insane. __________________ I'm against ending blackness. I believe that everyone has a right to be black, it's a choice, and I support that. ~Steven Colbert

06-05-2005, 12:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
sadistikdreams lonely rolling star Location: Seattle.	I bet Topher Grace is gonna be Quentin Beck (Mysterio). __________________ "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." -Lin Yutang hearts, by d.a.

05-20-2005, 01:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
FngKestrel Junkie	From the way the second one ended, I would guess that Venom won't be around until the 4th in the series. Ideally, I would think that they'd build up Eddie Brock's character a bit more while Spidey fights Green Goblin 2 and possibly the Lizard. They can set up Spidey's black costume and hand it over to Brock at the end of the third. Chloe Sevigny is probably going to be Black Cat, not quite a villain, but probably a counter love-interest to Mary Jane.

05-20-2005, 02:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
flamingdog Still fighting it.	I never saw Spider Man 2. Is it worth it?

05-20-2005, 02:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
FngKestrel Junkie	Yes. Absolutely.

05-23-2005, 07:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
crossova Psycho Location: new york	Topher Grace = Carnage *they did say he would play somebody completely opposite from his good-guy image But definitely Green Goblin and/or Lizard should be in SM3. They need to dedicate a whole movie to the black suit and Venom.

05-23-2005, 12:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I woulnd't expect them to introduce villans or heros in order considering they started with the Green Goblin. I would have gone with the Lizard for SM1, Doc Oc for SM2 (with different casting for Doc Oc), Hobgoblin for SM3, Alien suit/Venom for SM4, Mysterio and Green Goblin for SM5, Venom Seperation anxiety for SM6, and Jackel/Maximum Clonage/Scarlet Spider for SM7. SM8 would be the end of the series featuring Peter the Clone retiring, and Ben going on as Spiderman. Wait 10 or 15 years, then start again. Of course, I am not in charge. I would very much like to see Dylan Baker come in as the Lizard for SM3 (not jump right back into the Green Goblin storyline). It might be interesting to start getting into the biological aspects of Spiderman, as opposed to the lite hero philosophy we've been getting (i.e. what is a hero? why should I be a hero? etc). We could even have Spiderman begin to undergo his transformations.

06-05-2005, 12:36 PM	#17 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	I dont think they'll ever touch Carnage... you cant do Carnage without an R rating. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

06-10-2005, 04:14 PM	#18 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	^Too true, he's a sick fuck. Anyways, I'll wait on some more developments before offering any conjecture. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

06-10-2005, 04:25 PM	#19 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Could be they'll bring in a totally new villian. Highly doubt it tho. Personally, I would like to see a creative new villian that hasn't appeared in the comic yet. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

06-10-2005, 06:21 PM	#21 (permalink)
Lockjaw Junkie	I think they should stay far far away from the symbiotes. Not to say I wouldn't geek out if I saw a movie Spidey Venom fight BUT...I don't think the character would translate well to the big screen. I mean the cartoon arleady alterted Brock/Venom enough changing it from the costume Spidey picked up during the Secret Wars to some thing that Jameson's son brought back from the moon on accident. And even that would be too ridiculous for the movies. Much less with Carnage...Spidey's old costume had a baby? Nobody would watch that. Classic Spider-man has plenty of interesting villains to play off of without needing to go into Venom. Mysterio,Kraven,Hobogoblin,Electro,Lizard,Green Goblin 2(which they HAVE to do in my opinion). And that leaves out guys like Shocker,Rhino,Hydroman,Tombstone...etc... Personally I just want to see two more movies after number three. A Sinister Six story with six of any of the above villains. With Black Cat there to add some stress to Newlywed Spider-man and to help out in the final fight. Then the last one with the big final confrontation between Harry and Peter.

06-14-2005, 07:26 AM	#22 (permalink)
the_marq All hail the Mountain King Location: Black Mesa	One thing to consider about who the next Spider-Man villian is going to be; is how that character is going to translate to live-action. In the comics you really can do anything, and a skillful artist can make it look good and if not belivable, at least plausible. However in a movie it has too look realistic and should not be overly original. I think it's that issue that ultimately lead to the Hulk being a failure at the box office, even tho I thought it was good. The movie going public just wasn't able to get past the big green monster in purple pants... c'mon, it's fucking ridiculous. I fear the same issue will befall a character like Venom or Carnage... they're bad guy psychos who are covered in a living goo? Uhh... no thanks. Even Sandman and Hydro-Man seem to fall in to that same trap... Give me a guy who: has robotic arms and smashes stuff can shoot lightining from his hands ...those are your money bad guys. Powers the great unwashed movie-going public can get behind. I'm curious to see how they pull off Sandman (if the rumours are true) I hope it goes well. __________________ The Truth: Johnny Cash could have kicked Bruce Lee's ass if he wanted to. #3 in a series