SNL - Ashlee Simpson
 

Did anyone see this? She came out to sing her second song. The band starting playing, she started dancing, then a voice track came on for the first song she sang. She looked around, laughed and walked off stage. Did she just get busted lip syncing?

Yes, I do believe she just pulled her own Milli Vanilli.

I didn't see it, I'd LOVE to see this video of this though.

LOL..... SNL USED to advertise they didn't have lip-synching.... how the mighty have fallen

She said during the closing that the band started playing the wrong song, so she just walked off. however, the voice track was for the first song she sang that night. Was she planning on singing it again?

Somebody must have cued up the wrong vocal track, or the machine did, or however they do it. Most bands I know would just stop and start again if they started playing something wrong....but if your singer can't really sing, then I guess they would walk off stage, lol.

Damn, I had a link to the video, but it died.I'll post one, if I find another.

Hahahahhahaha, serves the whore right.

I can't believe she would just walk off stage, at least the band could play their instruments
and at least try to put the thing back together.

I just saw that on Tivo, that was hilarious.

Ooops - - cut to commercial, no second song

that's pretty funny, what kind of a goofy jig/skip/dance is going on there?

i don't remember this happening before on the show. i would think they could restart and re-edit for the western time zones. did they play the mistake in the later broadcasts?

kind of a cheap lip sync, you know...i don't think she dances as intensely as other pop artists. so singing *should* be easier.

that sucks for her! nice little dance she did there! to bad it will probably be edited here on the west coast...

Kudos to Jeff for getting the clip up first. :)

Here's a little clearer clip...;)
http://www.collegehumor.com/news/ashlee_snl.wmv

I saw it here in Seattle, the recorded vocals were definitely there because I was thinking to myself "Wasn't that the first song she played?."

Personally, I think it's pretty shady to blame your screw up on the band, they obviously were playing the right song.

That doesn't work for me, :eek:


And I really hate that fuckin Irish jig she does.

Oh man.... man, there's nothing else one can say at a time like this.... but... it's just one word....

OWNED!!!11

I'm in CA, and when I saw it, I didn't hear the vocal track kick in, but I saw the clip on the net and I couldn't stop laughing. As much as I hate manufactured pop music like hers, I can't help but feel bad for the girl. That's a huge screw up on a huge stage in front of the entire country...and then to come back with "my band played the wrong song"....how in the world do you live that down.

Why do I get the feeling she'll be the subject of a SNL skit in a few weeks.. if it takes that long.... :D

I didn't hear a vocal track when I watched it. It sounded like backup music, then they play the guitars and sing over it.

Meh. SNL's people messed up her song. :p

They must have edited it Zubon. Did you watch it on the west coast?

Here is the latest:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/goss...p-210457c.html

First off, I am not sure who this girl is, therefore, I am old, but besides that, she must be another Brittany clone.

Whatever.

The really really really sad part of all this......

SNL is inviting such dip shits to play on the show.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Used to be you could see REM, U2, the Stones, et al on SNL.

Now, you have some teeny bopper crapola.

She wasn't lip-synching. She was singing over a track of her own voice. It happens all the time on the TV show I work for. Whenever we have pop artists on performing, they always sing live over a track of their own voice.

Arghhh! Goddamn search not working!

Yeah I saw this, it was almost painful to watch

That's like claiming a person can actually draw when all they do is trace.

You sing the parts that are very easy to sing, but let the background take care of the parts where you have the possibility of slipping up... like high notes or drawn out breaths, etc.

Just as bad as lip synching!

I think the idea is to play it out loud to the audience, and directly into the artists ear. That way they can get a performance that is closer to the album/recorded version that the masses really want to hear.

Its not fun to go listen to a band/artist and have them do a song that comes out completely different than what you were expecting. Possibly due to missing their cues and just hitting the wrong notes

thanks for the video links...someone hijacked the content on the last two, though

edit: this guy has clips
clips of stewart on crossifre and triumph included as a bonus

sure, blame the band. like touring musicians don't get crapped on already.

I disagree

I find this is what makes live performances creative and interesting... Letting the artists just go out and jam, have some fun, improvise a little.

That's what live music is all about.

Quote of the Day !!!

um, Jeff's "simpsonfuckup" link in post #15 is NOT what I wanted to ever see, EVER. Ugh, vomit.

Many singers (like Beyonce, for example) have multiple vocal tracks on their albums, and the networks want a performance that is as close to that as possible. Thus, they sing one of the tracks live, and the others are on track.

It's just the way it is. Ashlee was just the one caught at it. It's not cheating and it's not lip-synching. Britney lip-synchs (ie her mic is off, it's all off the track, and her lips barely match what is being sung). It's easy to tell the difference.

You are missing the point. There is no reason a true musician should have to listen to their pre recorded crap to be able to sing it similarly to how it sounds on their CD. Ever heard Josh Groban sing? It's identical basically. You know why? Because he can SING. It is one thing if you are dancing, and cannot keep enough breath to dance at the rate you are and sing the whole song. But Ashlee Simpson does not dance. Well, unless you call doing a jig like a good dancing. She doesn't even move much, and she still needs to karaoke her own damn song. Pathetic. She has no business performing music, and can only make a career out of it because society is so obsessed with something we have little control over: looks. It drives me up the wall.

Blaming it on the band was the worst part. It's one thing to fuck up and apologize for it. It's another to fuck up and blame it on someone else (who were doing what they were supposed to do). The wrong song was cued up (vocal track or not) and they started playing along to it. As for the lip synching, I'm reminded of a Family Guy episode...

"Hey, you're not really playing that. You're just a big fat phony! PHONY! PHONY!"

Well she isn't a true musician, so there you go.

You also can't put the same rules of performance on all forms of music. Pop music has it's own set of rules.

On the TV show I work for, Shania Twain performed to a track, and her band basically, well, "band-synched". Amps off, drums muted, etc. She sang, but the band was just there for show. Of course, you can argue whether she is Country or just Nashville Pop.

Plus EVERYONE on our TV show has the lyrics in a teleprompter.

ALso reminds me of a White Zombie concert I went to about 6 or 7 years ago. They had a huge amount of prerecorded track going on. THere were times when the guitar and bass players stopped playing, but you still heard guitar and bass.

This was no different. Band was playing over a track of themselves.

The big key is that usually the vocal track is just fed into the ear monitors of the artist, not into the TV feed. Bad job by the sound guys at SNL.

Oh god, I'm sorry. The host changed the file. I'll edit my posts.

Who on MTV is a real musician? This isn't 1984. It's fake. Did you miss the fax?

i prefer to refer to this incident as ASHLEE SIMPSOWNED! thank you! i'm hear all night :p

Funny! Simpsowned!

Last I checked, SNL wasn't on MTV.

That's not what he was saying

He was saying that everyone on MTV right now is fake

Correct me if I'm wrong

I don't like how Simpson blamed her band...I mean her band picked up on the change rather quickly and started playing the correct song...Simpson just walked off...

So, Alicia Keys doesn't sing live and play the piano AND compose her own music? There are a few on there with some talent and originality. However, if you have to "sing" songs using a track in a live performance where you aren't dancing, and still don't have the presence to push on through a mistake, you have no business on any kind of stage, anywhere, of any kind, singing any kind of music. You say pop has it's own set of rules... do people like watching people fake sing poorly, cookie cutter songs? Seems odd to me.

"Her record company, Geffen Records, said there was a computer glitch. Instead of some pretaped electronic percussion, the recording of Pieces of Me started mistakenly performing, the record company said in a statement."

Yeah, sure.

Just watched it for the first time. At first I was just embarrased for her whoever she is. Not that funny. Then just watching the band smirking at each other made me piss myself!!

She looks like she's waiting for the director to say "cut!" but then she kind of remembers that its a show with 'LIVE' in the title. Oh... oops...

Camera operator trying to follow her off stage a little bit was also priceless.

I thought that SNL wasnt really live. Isnt it taped on like a tuesday or somthing. I would of thought the record company would have paid them to not air it. O well, still really funny. when i saw it i wasnt really sure what was going on, i thought it was on purpose like when artist do a transition into the next song, but then she did some random dancing and walked off the stage, so i was confused.

No, it's completely live. They rehearse from Tuesday through Friday and go live on Saturday.

... do people like watching people fake sing poorly, cookie cutter songs? Seems odd to me.

Apparently hundreds of thousands do, as they buy the albums every time.

The real question is this: is SNL in the same demographic as pop music?

It's looked like that's what they've been going for since last season. Didn't Jessica Simpson and what's his face host last season?

One of my favorite pop-culture blogs, Stereogum, has this to say in its comment section (two different posts):

and...
I can't vouch for the veracity of these comments but they sound pretty spot-on to me.

Ashlee Simpson is yet another example of the current state of pop music- doesn't matter if you can sing, it matters what your image is. In this case, the sister of Jessica Simpson gets annoying songs hitting #1 on the charts.

As derwood (and others) have explained previously in this thread, Ashlee Simpson cannot sing. While I can aggree that there are times an artist/band can and should do a song completely unassisted by recordings, SNL just isn't the place to do it. What is expected is a near-single quality performance that registers with each of the #### people watching the show and hopefully having them go out and supporting that artist. Of course, this isn't the case with most bands, even on SNL. Since Ashlee just isn't capable of churning out a respectible, or even average performance (re: Mediocre) the decision was made to "help" her out. Thus the vocal recording playback.

Hmm, maybe it was down for a while.
It seems to work fine now. At least for me. :)

Works for me now, too!
:thumbsup:

I'm pretty sure Ashlee's mic was off too. That's probably why she figured the best thing to do was just walk off in embarrassment/disgust. I missed her first song of the show, but I've heard that it was pretty easy to tell she was lip-synching that one too.

Then don't try to pass yourself off as an artist. Simple as that. It makes a mockery of the profession and people who are creative and talented enough to not need these shenanigans.

I guess there's a reason I don't listen to any music recorded in the past 15 years :rolleyes:

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read: POP music in the past 15 years...

So I guess Ashlee Simpson didn't have a tv show on MTV where she made her national debut. I guess it wasn't that show that boosted her career from local and associated with her sister to internationally known and loved. I guess it wasn't MTV that got her on SNL. Comon. Be serious.

To defend my defendor...
Alecia Keys sings her own songs...usually. She plays the piano....at the same level as those who have had lessons for a few years. She writes her songs....with some help. I agree that Alecia Keys has a fantastic voice...so does Christina Agulera... so does Ashlee Simpson. People as a rule don't know what musical talent is anymore. At least on MTV. Deal with it and move on.

Who told you Alecia Keys composed her own music?

Ahahaha thats hilarious. I love how the band were smirking at each other. That ws hilarious. Thats why these fuckers shouldn't use stupid fucking dubbed voice tracks when they go live. I don't care if you have to dance or any of that bullshit. They never did that 30-40 years ago. Chuck Berry danced around the stage like a bastard with his guitar and still sung the shit out of his songs. Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis pounded the shit outta their pianos and sung their asses off at the same time. Whats the difference? They had talent. All these stupid dancers and pyrotechnics are there just to distract you from the fact that these performers really have nothing to offer. They can't sing and they can't dance unless someone makes up a dance for them and they have 10 to 30 guys backing them up. No TALENT! To say they have any is bullshit. Do you honestly think anyone over the age of MAYBE 13 would actually bother to go to a Britney Spears concert if she wasn't half naked through most of her songs or have 35 dancers on the stage at one time, or fireworks shooting everywhere and all that shit? No of course they wouldn't. If she just went up there and sung her stupid songs it would be the most boring show ever. Christina Aguilera has a band and she sits on a stool and sings her guts out and people eat the shit up. Cause for the most part...I have to give it to her...she actually has SOME talent if not a whole lot. Avril Lavigne e'll just have 2 stools, 2 mics, while she plays guitar and has someone accompany her on another one and people actually want to stay. I have to give credit where credits due even if I don't necessarily care for their music.

Asta!!

band seemed to know that the show must go on...guess her 3 month crash course in music stardom didn't teach that to her

that stereogum site was interesting. also posted:
next performance: radio music awards on NBC 10/25/04 at 9 pm
if she goes through with it, who will we hear?

http://www.ashleesimpsonmusic.com/

Follow the link to the News section, then october, next 5, scroll down to SNL reference, then click comments. Haven't read it all yet. should be pretty interesting.

Ha!! You gotta read this, bless her...

While I think she has no talent whatsoever... also keep in mind that all these pop stars arent dancing around in the studio while they are recording their CD's. If you saw Britney live without the syncing you would just hear her gulping for breath in between lyrics. Its a Performance, its entertainment, its not about musical abilities in these cases. And really, I never see Britney or any others in the pop genre trying to play it off as Musical talent(except for ashley =P ). Shes there to make all the teenage girls happy, spending their parents money, on a waste of a CD.

And Look good doing it... :

Dammit! I changed channels just after Jude Law introduced her second number, so I missed it. What a time to channel surf.
Saw the clip, though. How pathetic was that?

I like the looks on the band members faces after she left the stage... the just kept playing with this silly little smirk on their faces like "Ha! We finally got rid of the bitch... nows our time to shine..."

I wonder when everyone else will realize what kind of crap these poop artists put out? I keep waiting for the whole shit pile to come falling down... when oh when will it happen?

Not nearly as pathetic as going to sleep at 9:30 on a Saturday night :thumbsup:

I win!

And well.. is anyone really shocked that this happened? (not me going to sleep that early, but the Asslee thing)

so funny. What a joke. Just shows how manufactured and fake the pop world is. Good for a laugh

If this means less Ashlee from now on, and more Jessica, then all is right in the world once again.

less of both would make the world a little better, if you ask me.

its pretty pathetic...she could have just had them cut the track and then have her go ahead and play the correct song...oh well, its not like she was going to be a superstar or popular like her sister.

maybe in their reality it was on MTV or in their mind it still is 1984...

Throughout modern music there have been hundreds of musicians that run/dance/headbang their asses off and they don't gulp for breath in between lyrics. That's a copout.

Same thing. She can "sing" all she wants but if she sounds like shit, they crank up the tape track and turn down the real vocals. It's a ripoff for the fans.


A band with real talent can fix their mistakes. My friend had a Metallica cd single that included a live version of "Harvester of Sorrow." After the solo, the band totally fucked up, half playing one song and the other half playing the right song. They didn't stop or do anything. They continued playing and got in sync at the start of the next bar of music. Within a couple seconds they were all in sync playing the right parts.

Instead of walking off the stage and blaming everyone else like some spoiled little bitch, they owned up to their mistake and released it as a B-Side to a single cause they thought it was funny.

I have no sympathy for her. My initial thought was that maybe, just maybe, SNL has a culture jammer working for them who deliberately started the wrong tape, just to expose her for the fraud she is.

Wow, that was uncomfortable just to watch!

I wonder when people who hate pop music (as I do), will just move on and stop giving a fuck about whether these people become rich and famous or not. It's rather petty to wish failure upon someone when it has zero effect on you.

Pop music in the past 15 years includes pure-pop, rap, r&b, rock (all forms) and others. To say that only Pure-Pop is failing to produce talented artists is a lie. Tell all the manufactered bands that are warped by their record labels and release half-ass albums that are marketed and sold solely to make money. Its not uncommon for a band/artist to give up thier individuality and own talent just to conform to whatever their a&r rep wants them to be.

Anyone and everyone in the music business gives up a piece of themselves as soon as they sign to a label (indie and major). Its just a matter of how much they give up.

And, for additional funniness...

LM: What are your takes on lip-synching?
AS: I'm totally against it and offended by it. I'm going out to let my real talent show, not to just stand there and dance around. Personally, I'd never lip-synch. It's just not me.


And her apology:
http://www.askross.com/Ashlee.avi

ahah the ashlee dance
http://mtpdist.com/ashleydance/

In past interviews, she has stated that she's <i>"totally against"</i> lip-syncing and is <i>"offended by it."</i> Here's her exact quote from an article in Lucky magazine: <i>"I'm going to let my real talent show. Personally, I'd never lip-sync. It's just not me."</i> So the question is, is lip-syncing the same as singing over a vocal backtrack? Here's the definition of lip-syncing from Dictionary.com: To move the lips in synchronization with recorded speech or song. You make the call :D

James T has got it right. This show used to be groundbreaking, now it is mainstream. Sad.

Uh.. That quote has been posted in this thread like 3 times allready. Thank you, we've seen it.

now her dad is blaming it all on acid reflux. Yeah, I'd have an upset stomach too if I knew that my older sister was hotter, richer and more talented than me and always would be. Sorry Ashlee, guess you're going to have to settle for being smarter. See where that gets you.

I think Ashlee is hotter than Jessica but I hate them both and I am very glad she got caught lip synching. What a bitch. Too many excuses. This remind anyone of "oh it was a wardrobe malfunction"?

A professional musician would never have just walked off the stage. The show must go on.......

:lol: :lol: :thumbsup:

She doesn't quite strike me as smarter....than anything. Maybe a rock. Maybe.

I don't know how many of you watch any "reality tv" but there was this show on MTV called the Ashlee Simpson show. I saw a commercial for it once and she really cannot sing. The SNL mishap came as no suprise to me. serves her right. she thinks she's entitled to a music career since her sister can sing. but she forgot one thing. you have to know how to sing to be a singer.

lol she said it was acid reflux that made her lose her voice earlier in the day. what crap

Yes, I realized that after I posted it. I had read all the posts on the first page and did not see that there was a second page of posts. But thanks for pointing it out. :rolleyes: By the way, you misspelled "allready".

The funniest thing about the whole situation was her dance. We all know Britney can't sing, but at least she can dance. Ashlee can't even do that.

Who cares?

A LOT of the big "singers" lipsync concerts, includng Janet Jackson, Shania Twain, even Britney Spears. Maybe it was acid reflux, maybe somthing wrong did happen. Jesus, you don't even know her, you don't have to watch her, and here you are tearing her apart for somthing maybe she coulden't control? Hell, the only guy NOT lipsyncing the superbowl last year was Kid Rock.

It's not that big of a deal, lots of these stars do it. Watch some of those shows about Britney and other up and coming stars, you learn alot about what these stars go through during performing, it's not that big of a surprise she was lipsyncing..

On the other hand, it was damn funny.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Brilliant.

I cannot see how people don’t expect this out of many artists. They are seen delivery countless perfect performances every night in perfect tune. When I attend a concert it isn’t to hear what I can listen to at home, it is to hear the raw power of a performance going on in front of me. The possibility of mistakes additions and the emotion of the members on stage coming through at that moment. Recorded performances are formulated some times of hundreds of takes to get the right tune. Watching too media as I do, I caught the Ashlee Simpson show which I am sure many of these “angry” fans storming her website I’m sure have seen. It was made evident on the show that the consistency and strength of her voice was a major issue. Even after a growth was found in her throat she was able to deliver a great performance a few nights after. I can think of countless artists that have had to cancel months of touring because of vocal problem.

Yet in the fast paced candle length longevity of pop artists it is the fans of such and record labels who are at fault for performances packaged with sparklers, snakes, and explosions with no real content from what you are there to see. The fan artist relationship is that of any other, you are going to have good times and bad. The lee-way to cancel a leg of a tour has not show itself prevalent in the bubble-gum music industry. But out of sight out of mind? As long as these fans are given the illusion that their artist is before them singing their heart out its fine. Its all simply denial, just as magic with sexy assistance, flashy machinery, and brilliant wordplay all draw you away from the deception at hand allow you to feel a moment of wonder. Yet that is the job of a magician. That is why people support a magician’s performances. People know that artists are lip syncing, you know which ones.

So why are these artists allowed to continue on this rampage of falsehood. Because fans continue to support it, like voters support bad politicians. There are great artists out there, yet you have to look for them, the good things in life aren’t going to be packaged pretty and given to you. You have to search for them, the voices you don’t hear on the radio are built on live performances and rigorous touring, of many different genres. Riding the roller coaster I guess you could say that all the work is done for you. Just coast along an get up on the next big high. If you want to be close to an artist and see the drive of day after day of performing not for money or fame but for the passion of doing so search the internet, check out mp3 sites, and support those who are in it for the music and not the package. Tell your friends, family, and kids, go to a local venue, you’ll hear sounds and sights you’ve never seen before in the bubblegum world.

With the diversity of music out there you can find something geared towards you and not the masses, not a culture, not a dollar sign, but you. Sure some may legitimately like pop music, and yet they may miss an entire musical world, there are underground pop, hip-hop, rap, rock, and more artists that offer the same only with substance and not a package. Just with any movement, you want to end lip syncing and other crap currently spouted by the record industry, its going to start with you, your kids, your neighbors, your friends, and strangers.

Nice picture that rocks. After the performance she put in on Monday night I wish she was lip-synching again, my god she has no talent at all, she can't even scream with a hint of talent. Watching SNL was great because well I like to see stars (she isn't a star) get busted for doing stupid shit, and too see if they take responsibility for their fuck upo and low and behold she and her dad blame it on the drummer.

I can't believe I typed something in an Ashlee Simpson thread now I must go and re-contemplate my life.

What show was that?

Shania doesn't lipsync in concert. I saw her on her last tour, front row, and she definitely sings live.

Shania does lipsync on shows like Top of the Pops, however, but so does every other artist.

But then they arent artists. I have never ever seen a band live who lip synched and if they did I would throw someones shoe at them.

I'll give you a hint: It's a daytime talk show watched by 20 million people daily.

THE ROSIE O DONELL SHOW!! :D

Asta!!

Actually, she made her national debut on 7th heaven, and shoved her singing down everyone's throat by getting her show on MTV since she was on 7th heaven. But my point was that SNL does not have to have someone just because they were on MTV, and that show has 0 affiliation with MTV.




Wait wait wait... you think Ashlee has a "fantasic voice"? Are you serious? You have to be just trolling to try and make me upset, there is no way you can believe that screaming into a microphone for cookie cutter teeniebop songs can be considered "fantastic". If you seriously think her voice is as good as the other people you mentioned, you... no, you're just wrong. It's not even an opinion, you are flat out wrong. I'm a vocal performance major in college, trust me, I know what constitues talented singing and a fantastic voice. She screams. Notice how she ALWAYS has a sore throat and a messed up voice? That isn't a coincidence. Did you even watch her show? Perhaps the episode where she was recording her album, and she couldn't even sing her song in the studio? You've gotta be joking. And no, i'm not going to "deal with it and move on". It's my life passion, maybe something you don't understand. I can make more musical tones come out of my ass, where's my contract and millions of dollars?

As far as Alicia Keys goes, where do you get YOUR information? As far as I can tell, from her website/other websites, she writes all her own stuff. You do not realize how hard it is to sing and play the piano as well as she does.

http://launch.yahoo.com/artist/artis...tistID=1034214

She started piano at age 7. She was classically trained, including the study of Bach, Mozart, Chopin (her favorite composer). She has sung most of her life, and played the piano most of her life. She writes all her own music. So, I gave a source that told about her life, where are the support of these "facts" you stated, or did you just assume to try to defend yourself? Come on.

I really want to know if you think Ashlee Simpson has the same musical talent of someone that attended the Performing Arts School of Manhattan, and has dedicated her life to music. Ashlee was probably singing (read: screaming) in the shower one day after 7th heaven and heard Britney on her stupid radio and was like HEY! I sing like crap and am hot too! Surely I can get a contract!

That entire side of the industry makes me sick. So do the people who support the crap. I don't care who you blame it on, it isn't right.

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Did she perform on the music awards on monday or tuesday? What was her performance like then?