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seretogis · 05-19-2004, 06:50 PM

Well, I just finished watching the series finale! Afterwards there is a little snippet with a collage of scenes of Angel, together with a "Thank you, from The WB" which made me laugh.

Spoiler: I wasn't incredible impressed with this episode. It was nice to see everyone come together one final time (but where was Buffy?!) and Lorne definitely showed a change of character, but the ending was awful. Throughout the last few episodes Aleria has become my favorite character, and it's good that she had a large role in the finale, particularly with Wesley's death. I just wish they had done a better job of tying up the loose ends in the last few minutes -- showing a thousand demons and the survivors of the Black Thorn-assassination squad right before going to black is intentionally lame and a cop-out. Shame on you Joss!

Kadath · 05-19-2004, 06:54 PM

Your love for Angel is a sign of your weakness as a human being!

:snuggles:

Coll Storm · 05-19-2004, 06:57 PM

I smell the potential for a jump to another netword. This was a cliffhanger if ever there was one.

Also his love for Angel isn't a sign of weakness as a human being... he never mentioned being human to begin with.

Vilkata · 05-19-2004, 08:47 PM

I was hoping that at the last minute all the slayers with Buffy and the Scoobies would jump out and help Angel and crew, but alas my Mutant Enemy Buffyverse fanboy fantasy has been defeated.

Cynthetiq · 05-19-2004, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by Coll Storm
I smell the potential for a jump to another netword. This was a cliffhanger if ever there was one.

Also his love for Angel isn't a sign of weakness as a human being... he never mentioned being human to begin with.

I've not watched it. It is sitting on Tivo waiting.

but IMHO I would think that it's good for a movie, with Buffy, since Buffy isn't interested in doing a movie on her own, I think that she's just ripe for a dual Angel/Buffy movie.

Charlatan · 05-20-2004, 08:00 AM

Personally I really liked the ending... why wrap it up neatly and put a bow on it... The fight continues...

It left me wanting more. It also leaves the door wide open for potential Angel TV Movies or Feature films.

Wesley's death was handled well. While I was sad to see him die, I did feel it was getting to the point where his character either needed to die or become evil... he was becoming just a little too morose and gloomy.

Lorne's final act was powerful. All I kept thinking was, poor Lorne, it just was so against who he is to do what he ultimately had to do. It made it clear why he said he'd not be returning so don't look for him... Watch for Lorne in the movies!

Linday's death was perfect and unexpected... and who better to deliver the blow...

Angel signing away his rights to the Shanshu... nice touch. Committment and sacrifice all added to the mix. Not that I'd want to be human if I was him... no more ass kicking. What would he do, become a 9-5er?

If they do make a movie, they are going to have to find a new boffin. With Wes, Fred and Cordy gone there is noone left to do magic, research, etc... That said, what they've got left - Angel, Spike, Gunn and Ilyria - can kick some major ass...

The only real complain I have is that the whole let's kill the circle story arc felt a little rushed. I am sure the season was planned to go this way (perhaps minus Wesley's death) all along but I just felt story's arc could have used one or two more episodes to let it breathe a little. As it stands it was a two episode arc.

Personally, I want the dragon...

kutulu · 05-20-2004, 08:57 AM

I had that feeling that it was too rushed also but they did about the best they could do with that.

The ending was great for Angel. All four of them are the "real" fighters of the group and that's how they knew they'd be going down someday. It leaves the TV movies a possibility, but it seemed like there would be no way they'd win that fight. You don't need to see them all die, you just need to know that they'll fight fearlessly till the end.

Supposedly, there are standalone TV movies that might happen next year:

http://forum.buffyworld.com/showthre...threadid=14706

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First ANGEL TV Movie May Hit in September

Also, will we finally see Faith the Vampire Slayer? Tru Calling has supposedly not been picked up for a second season.

Scooper 'Daybill' returned with some news from the ANGEL front:

The WB is working on a new stand-alone telemovie, ANGEL, to air tentatively in September. The first two-hour pic is going to essentially launch the series as a sequence of films - different villain, different storyline, each one.

The first is going to tie-in with the events of the series final episode. The season ender is going to go out with a huge cliffhanger, and we'll have to wait till September to find out how it all ends.

Eliza Dushku is in talks to appear in the telemovies, as Faith, the vampire slayer. Her series TRU CALLING isn't going to be picked up for a second season, so I assume she jumped at it.

There's no titles for these Angel films yet, but all six - bi-monthly over a period of a year - will be something like ANGEL: OUTLAWED, or ANGEL: DOMINION. You get the pic.

What's interesting is, Joss Whedon's not going to have much to do with the first couple. He's apparently doing a movie for Universal. Wonder how that's going to go down with fans?

I guess that big truck - which i again saw last week driving around - did something to save this show.

How valid is this report? Well, Daybill hasn't failed us before, but September seems like too quick a turnaround for a tv movie, although not altogether impossible. It's possible that the first could be filmed after a short break, but I would think that the principal cast would want to get away from these characters for a while.

The finale Daybill speaks of also lines up with an April 17 report from our friends over at Spoiler Slayer, where they said that the series will likely end on a cliffhanger.

Joss Whedon's lack of involvement - I wouldn't be surprised. The movie Daybill speaks of is, of course, the film version of FIREFLY, which is being fasttracked at Universal. However, if these movies go forward, I have no doubt that some of the ANGEL/Mutant Enemy regulars will return.

Mr. Mojo · 05-20-2004, 02:25 PM

Figues, i just got into the this show and "bye bye"

I liked how they left it open-ended, who knows maybe it might come back in some form.

*back to Charisma Carpenter in Playboy

kutulu · 05-20-2004, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Mojo
*back to Charisma Carpenter in Playboy

She looked pretty damn good in that shoot. Too bad she didn't show the bush

Rodney · 05-20-2004, 04:52 PM

I liked the ending; it was true to the series. Could have been more upbeat, but on the other hand, the message was "Keep fighting." And Angel and crew, if they do survive, will do exactly that.

Apparently the season might have ended a little less grimly if the show had been picked up. And there were plans for new developments next season, like Allyria being Fred more and more of the time. I won't spoil, but her emotional development in the last episode was very affecting without being in the least bit maudlin.

Some great lines, too. My personal favorite: "Can you think of the _one_ word in that sentence you shouldn't have said?"

Charlatan · 05-21-2004, 06:41 AM

I've been following the press releases on the new network seasons (ocupational hazard) and the WB hasn't confirmed these telemovies yet. That said they aren't regular running series so they might wait to announce them...

kutulu · 05-21-2004, 08:23 AM

I doubt anything will happen but it sure would be nice.

MexicanOnABike · 05-21-2004, 11:31 AM

wow! wasn't that cool how it ended? 2 episodes to show it all... interesting. i like the fact that they didnt end it completely. it woulda sucked if you saw them all die. this way you know that they will kickass for a few more min before diying or being rescued/helped by the slayers or some backup demons of some sorts like lornes, family... etc...

too bad they had to kill it so soon. that was one of the last show i was still watching on tv. oh well.

Gjefflin · 05-22-2004, 08:49 AM

I kept checking the time on my TIVO while watching the show and trying to picture how they were going to end it. The killing of Lindsay was startling and coldblooded. While thinking about it afterwards, I realized that he was just too evil to let live and therefore had to die. But it was still coldblooded. And to have Lorne do it just really through me for a loop. Because it was the last person you would think would do an assassination. But that's why he was such a good choice. I didn't want Wesley to die but C'est la vie. His character WAS at the breaking point after losing his love so I think it was necessary. Although, it would've been nice for him to have possibly lost his life in the major fight at the end. Ah well...who knows what will happen. True...the ending of that show was a HUGE cliffhanger but they may just leave it alone. IT turns out that "Tru Calling" IS scheduled for next year so there won't be any "Faith" shows coming up. SOOO...it appears that the "Angel Telemovie" stuff is crap as well unfortunately.

Too bad......this and Buffy was two of my favorite shows and now they're both gone. Now we're stuck with crap like Tru Calling and Charmed. :P

CinnamonGirl · 05-25-2004, 05:21 PM

Wow...I got put through the wringer on that one. Laughter (many many times--but a few that stand out: the effulgent poem; "try not to die, you are not unpleasant to my eyes"; "I want you! ...that sounds wrong, let me rephrase that." "Yeah, please do.")

...shock when Lorne shot Lindsey...holy crap!

And yes, I'll admit I had tears rolling down my face during the whole Wes and "Fred" scene. "Do you want me to lie to you now?" "Yes. Thank you, yes."

Sigh.

And what was the WB "thank you" thing at the end? I had to download the ep, and it wasn't included, but everyone seems to be rather insulted by it.

Vilkata · 05-25-2004, 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by CinnamonGirl
Wow...I got put through the ringer on that one. Laughter (many many times--but a few that stand out: the effulgent poem; "try not to die, you are not unpleasant to my eyes"; "I want you! ...that sounds wrong, let me rephrase that." "Yeah, please do.")

...shock when Lorne shot Lindsey...holy crap!

And yes, I'll admit I had tears rolling down my face during the whole Wes and "Fred" scene. "Do you want me to lie to you now?" "Yes. Thank you, yes."

Sigh.

And what was the WB "thank you" thing at the end? I had to download the ep, and it wasn't included, but everyone seems to be rather insulted by it.

It was a clip that aired after the end with a bunch of scenes from different episodes. Some announcer thanks all the fans for spending the last 5 years watching Angel and how the WB thanks us too. It's corporate bullshit to make them look like they arn't the bad guys.

Charlatan · 05-26-2004, 05:26 AM

Being in Canada we didn't get the WB thank you stuff... But Space (our Sci-Fi channel) had an Angel marathon on Monday that ran from 9am and ended at 10pm with the series finale...

The episodes were chosen by viewers voting on their favourite episodes... I finally got to see the episode where Doyle dies... cool episode.

JohnnyRock · 05-26-2004, 05:52 AM

It kinda sucks that we are left with just about nothing but reality on TV. There are so many creative people [like Joss and company] that can make intelligent, entertaining TV that will soon have no place on the small screen because it is much cheaper to throw a bunch of people on an island with no food than produce a traditional series...so all I have to say is Thank you WB for taking away one of the last shows on TV worth watching!

Date the Banana · 05-26-2004, 05:17 PM

Yeah, that little bit from the WB was included on the Bit Torrent file I downloaded. FUCKING BASTARDS!!!
They cancel one of the only shows on TV worth watching, and have the brass testes to thank us for watching? Talk about rubbing salt into the wound!

Charlatan · 05-27-2004, 07:01 AM

I thought it was Angel who had the "big, brass testes.."

05-19-2004, 06:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Angel - Series Finale spoilers inevitible Well, I just finished watching the series finale! Afterwards there is a little snippet with a collage of scenes of Angel, together with a "Thank you, from The WB" which made me laugh. Spoiler: I wasn't incredible impressed with this episode. It was nice to see everyone come together one final time (but where was Buffy?!) and Lorne definitely showed a change of character, but the ending was awful. Throughout the last few episodes Aleria has become my favorite character, and it's good that she had a large role in the finale, particularly with Wesley's death. I just wish they had done a better job of tying up the loose ends in the last few minutes -- showing a thousand demons and the survivors of the Black Thorn-assassination squad right before going to black is intentionally lame and a cop-out. Shame on you Joss! __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

05-19-2004, 06:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	Your love for Angel is a sign of your weakness as a human being! :snuggles: __________________ it's quiet in here

05-19-2004, 08:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
Vilkata Crazy	I was hoping that at the last minute all the slayers with Buffy and the Scoobies would jump out and help Angel and crew, but alas my Mutant Enemy Buffyverse fanboy fantasy has been defeated. __________________ LOL KEEKLES

05-20-2004, 08:00 AM	#6 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Personally I really liked the ending... why wrap it up neatly and put a bow on it... The fight continues... It left me wanting more. It also leaves the door wide open for potential Angel TV Movies or Feature films. Wesley's death was handled well. While I was sad to see him die, I did feel it was getting to the point where his character either needed to die or become evil... he was becoming just a little too morose and gloomy. Lorne's final act was powerful. All I kept thinking was, poor Lorne, it just was so against who he is to do what he ultimately had to do. It made it clear why he said he'd not be returning so don't look for him... Watch for Lorne in the movies! Linday's death was perfect and unexpected... and who better to deliver the blow... Angel signing away his rights to the Shanshu... nice touch. Committment and sacrifice all added to the mix. Not that I'd want to be human if I was him... no more ass kicking. What would he do, become a 9-5er? If they do make a movie, they are going to have to find a new boffin. With Wes, Fred and Cordy gone there is noone left to do magic, research, etc... That said, what they've got left - Angel, Spike, Gunn and Ilyria - can kick some major ass... The only real complain I have is that the whole let's kill the circle story arc felt a little rushed. I am sure the season was planned to go this way (perhaps minus Wesley's death) all along but I just felt story's arc could have used one or two more episodes to let it breathe a little. As it stands it was a two episode arc. Personally, I want the dragon... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke Last edited by Charlatan; 05-20-2004 at 08:45 AM..

05-20-2004, 02:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mr. Mojo Addict Location: NYC	Figues, i just got into the this show and "bye bye" I liked how they left it open-ended, who knows maybe it might come back in some form. *back to Charisma Carpenter in Playboy __________________ When I jerk off I feel good for about twenty seconds and then WHAM it's right back into suicidal depression

05-19-2004, 06:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
Coll Storm Crazy Location: Boston	I smell the potential for a jump to another netword. This was a cliffhanger if ever there was one. Also his love for Angel isn't a sign of weakness as a human being... he never mentioned being human to begin with.

05-20-2004, 04:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
Rodney Observant Ruminant Location: Rich Wannabe Hippie Town	I liked the ending; it was true to the series. Could have been more upbeat, but on the other hand, the message was "Keep fighting." And Angel and crew, if they do survive, will do exactly that. Apparently the season might have ended a little less grimly if the show had been picked up. And there were plans for new developments next season, like Allyria being Fred more and more of the time. I won't spoil, but her emotional development in the last episode was very affecting without being in the least bit maudlin. Some great lines, too. My personal favorite: "Can you think of the _one_ word in that sentence you shouldn't have said?"

05-21-2004, 06:41 AM	#11 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I've been following the press releases on the new network seasons (ocupational hazard) and the WB hasn't confirmed these telemovies yet. That said they aren't regular running series so they might wait to announce them... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-21-2004, 08:23 AM	#12 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	I doubt anything will happen but it sure would be nice.

05-21-2004, 11:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
MexicanOnABike Location: up north	wow! wasn't that cool how it ended? 2 episodes to show it all... interesting. i like the fact that they didnt end it completely. it woulda sucked if you saw them all die. this way you know that they will kickass for a few more min before diying or being rescued/helped by the slayers or some backup demons of some sorts like lornes, family... etc... too bad they had to kill it so soon. that was one of the last show i was still watching on tv. oh well. __________________ - Movie Reviews - Ratings-

05-22-2004, 08:49 AM	#14 (permalink)
Gjefflin Insane Location: New York	I kept checking the time on my TIVO while watching the show and trying to picture how they were going to end it. The killing of Lindsay was startling and coldblooded. While thinking about it afterwards, I realized that he was just too evil to let live and therefore had to die. But it was still coldblooded. And to have Lorne do it just really through me for a loop. Because it was the last person you would think would do an assassination. But that's why he was such a good choice. I didn't want Wesley to die but C'est la vie. His character WAS at the breaking point after losing his love so I think it was necessary. Although, it would've been nice for him to have possibly lost his life in the major fight at the end. Ah well...who knows what will happen. True...the ending of that show was a HUGE cliffhanger but they may just leave it alone. IT turns out that "Tru Calling" IS scheduled for next year so there won't be any "Faith" shows coming up. SOOO...it appears that the "Angel Telemovie" stuff is crap as well unfortunately. Too bad......this and Buffy was two of my favorite shows and now they're both gone. Now we're stuck with crap like Tru Calling and Charmed. :P

05-25-2004, 05:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
CinnamonGirl She's Actual Size Location: Central Republic of Where-in-the-Hell	Wow...I got put through the wringer on that one. Laughter (many many times--but a few that stand out: the effulgent poem; "try not to die, you are not unpleasant to my eyes"; "I want you! ...that sounds wrong, let me rephrase that." "Yeah, please do.") ...shock when Lorne shot Lindsey...holy crap! And yes, I'll admit I had tears rolling down my face during the whole Wes and "Fred" scene. "Do you want me to lie to you now?" "Yes. Thank you, yes." Sigh. And what was the WB "thank you" thing at the end? I had to download the ep, and it wasn't included, but everyone seems to be rather insulted by it. Last edited by CinnamonGirl; 05-26-2004 at 05:24 AM..

05-26-2004, 05:26 AM	#17 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Being in Canada we didn't get the WB thank you stuff... But Space (our Sci-Fi channel) had an Angel marathon on Monday that ran from 9am and ended at 10pm with the series finale... The episodes were chosen by viewers voting on their favourite episodes... I finally got to see the episode where Doyle dies... cool episode. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-26-2004, 05:52 AM	#18 (permalink)
JohnnyRock Addict Location: Taxachussetts	It kinda sucks that we are left with just about nothing but reality on TV. There are so many creative people [like Joss and company] that can make intelligent, entertaining TV that will soon have no place on the small screen because it is much cheaper to throw a bunch of people on an island with no food than produce a traditional series...so all I have to say is Thank you WB for taking away one of the last shows on TV worth watching! __________________ Not only do I not know the answer...I don't even know what the question is!!!

05-26-2004, 05:17 PM	#19 (permalink)
Date the Banana Insane Location: Japan	Yeah, that little bit from the WB was included on the Bit Torrent file I downloaded. FUCKING BASTARDS!!! They cancel one of the only shows on TV worth watching, and have the brass testes to thank us for watching? Talk about rubbing salt into the wound! __________________ all work and no play make Date something something

05-27-2004, 07:01 AM	#20 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I thought it was Angel who had the "big, brass testes.." __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke