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Old 05-26-2009, 01:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Buffy movie-- but not in a good way.

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Buffy fans can go take a long walk off a short pier, at least as far as Vertigo Entertainment is concerned. They’re bypassing Joss Whedon’s infinitely more popular television version of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer franchise to remake the long since forgotten 1992 movie version. Long suffering Whedonites who’ve hoped for a movie version based on the Sarah Michelle Gellar character are now officially screwed.

Of course, Joss Whedon isn’t involved at all. Like the show he made popular he’s been bypassed in favor of people more willing to regurgitate old material for whatever profit can be sucked from the neck of base name recognition. THR says Vertigo’s Roy Lee and Doug Davison are working in conjunction with the Kuzuis, who directed the original Buffy movie based on Joss Whedon’s script.

It’s hard not to think of the screw-job Battlestar Galactica is also on the verge getting, at the hands of its creator Glen Larson. Larson recently announced plans to reboot the BSG brand name as a new movie franchise, which would be based on the 80s version of the series instead of the infinitely more popular and successful modern television version brainstormed by Ron Moore.

Like that ill-conceived upcoming BSG movie, this new Buffy will have no connection to the TV series or any of its supporting characters in any way. As an excuse they’re citing the success of Star Trek. Of course this ignores that Abrams’ Star Trek actually fits into the Trek universe and in fact, uses existing Star Trek characters in a way that honors the long-running success of the franchise instead of sweeping it out of the way to make something else with the same name slapped on it.

Their plan for the reboot is to do what every reboot claims it's going to do. Turn the whole thing even darker and morph it into an event-movie which can be milked into a multi-movie franchise. They're playing with the idea that every generation has its own slayer, which has of course always been a part of the Buffy franchise. I'm pretty sure that every generation's slayer hasn't, however, always been named Buffy. Maybe they'll call it Muffy the Vampire Slayer.

If you’re a fan of the television show, you should be insulted. If you’re Joss Whedon, you should be insulted. If you’re a Twilight fan you should probably be insulted too because let’s face it, as soon as Twilight was a big hit whoever owns the rights to Buffy smelled money and almost certainly spent some time looking over Twilight’s box office numbers before kicking this travesty into motion. I’m expecting some sort of Twilight clone, ironic really when you consider that even Twilight is itself just a pale reflection of what Joss Whedon did with his Buffy. Why bring in Whedon to resurrect the original when you can probably do it cheaper and with more pandering by scraping off the existing franchise and sticking the name on something else?

There's some cause for hope here. It's not yet a done deal. Development on the project is still in early stages and it could easily fall part. Also, Whedon's involvement hasn't been entirely ruled out, they just haven't bothered to talk to him about it. Unless he's recently sold his soul to the devil, it's hard to imagine he'd want anything to do with this anyway.

Sigh. I was all excited when I heard "Buffy movie." But this just sounds lame. And being as big of a Buffy fan as I am, it hurts me a little to say that.
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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"Buffy" to me always was the original movie. I haven't seen a single episode of the television series.

I hope they cast Paul Rubens again.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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This *could* be interesting but I really doubt it. The Kuzui's made an OK 'B' film but Whedon gave it a soul.

I am shocked that Glen Larson (ancient one that he is) thinks rebooting BSG back to the 70s series is a good idea given the amazing success of the new series.

I can't believe either of these is going to get the funding needed to get off the ground.
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Old 05-26-2009, 07:27 PM   #4 (permalink)
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"Buffy" to me always was the original movie. I haven't seen a single episode of the television series.

I hope they cast Paul Rubens again.

Funny you should mention that... Paul Reubens was my favorite from the movie. Didn't he die, though? I remember his arm getting torn off...


I DID like the original movie. I like the TV series SO much better, though. And, while I liked Star Trek, I remember thinking, "hmmmm, how many other fandoms are they gonna try this on?"


Buffy without Joss, though? That's just wrong.
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Old 05-26-2009, 07:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
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"Buffy" to me always was the original movie. I haven't seen a single episode of the television series.
Same here, never watched the TV show, but liked the movie back in the day, I saw this thread and was hoping it was a movie remake and not a TV show turned movie.

Star Trek? Never seen an episode or a movie in 32 years of my life, don't plan on it either, now Star Wars, that was the shit back in the day..
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Old 05-26-2009, 08:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I liked the original film, probably better than I liked the series; the only Whedon I really liked was the Firefly/Serenity stuff.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:43 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I dont care what anyone else says, its not Buffy if there is no James Marsters playing Spike hmph

I liked the movie, didnt love it....and I still lament that the tv show is over
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:34 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I dont care what anyone else says, its not Buffy if there is no James Marsters playing Spike hmph
What if the new Spike wears a kilt?
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Old 05-27-2009, 04:18 AM   #9 (permalink)
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What if the new Spike wears a kilt?
Touche.


The article I just read confirms that the funding is not in place for this yet. It also suggests that they are not looking to replicate Buffy but rather look at other Slayers in the Buffyverse.

In other words, either do a reboot or just tell other stories.

Regardless, it has some interesting possibilities, I just don't think the current creative team is up to it. They'd better hire a better director than Kaz Kuzui and a hell of a great writer.
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:39 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Soooo...no Alyson?




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Old 05-27-2009, 08:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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IF if if...and I stress if...they do stories about other slayers in the Buffyverse, and stick to the paradigm established in the series; and if they get a veteran of the series, like Marti Noxon, David Greenwalt, David Fury, Jane Espenson, or Douglas Petrie to write and direct the film; and if they don't hack and slash that person's screenplay and director's cut from here to hell and back....



...then maybe, maybe...just maybe it MIGHT not suck.



Other than that, no way. It'll blow. And the idea of doing a BSG movie based on the original '80s series is arguably the stupidest idea I have ever heard.
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:02 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Wow. This is the most horrible idea since I don't even know what. I still can't believe that anyone would intentionally do a Buffy reboot.

Everyone has pretty much already expressed my feelings towards this, but there's one more thing: reboots have to be for moribund or terrible franchises. BSG worked because, lets face it, the original wasn't very good. And it was essentially dead. The new Star Trek reboot worked because that franchise hadn't done anything right in like 15 years. Buffy, on the other hand, is basically perfect (more or less) and is still running in comics. And the show was a reboot of - a terrible, moribund movie!

Besides, hasn't anyone seen Twilight? That's basically Buffy for 11-year old girls. And then Alan Ball made True Blood, which is like a southerner who loved but didn't quite get Buffy trying to remake it for HBO. (True Blood features a young heroine with superpowers who's surrounded by helpful friends, included a were-thing, and falls in love with a centuries old mysterious brooding vampire who is good in contrast to all of the evil vampires. She even reads minds, but can't read her lover vampire's mind. This is also known as the episode "Ear Shot" from Buffy Season 3.) So crappy versions of Buffy are already littering the media landscape.

By the way, my avatar is taken from a Buffy comic cover. It's of Buffy strangling her own image. Somehow I think it is appropriate here.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:06 PM   #13 (permalink)
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By the way, my avatar is taken from a Buffy comic cover. It's of Buffy strangling her own image. Somehow I think it is appropriate here.
Actually that's Faith strangling and drowning Buffy (if I remember correctly, it wasn't really Buffy but a look-a-like, doppleganger or or some sort of dream).

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Old 05-28-2009, 06:20 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Actually that's Faith strangling and drowning Buffy (if I remember correctly, it wasn't really Buffy but a look-a-like, doppleganger or or some sort of dream).

Whoops, you're right. I forgot - I had mistakenly thought it was an alt. cover from the one-off with the Buffy look-alike who dies in an underground battle. Still a great painting though.
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Old 05-29-2009, 12:52 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The Kuzuis fucked the movie up so bad that Joss didn't want to be associated with it. It sucks that because those two a-holes butchered Joss's vision that they got the rights to the franchise. Throughout the series, they have been credited as "Executive Producers" but the only work they did was to cash paychecks.

I don't think I'll be seeing this.
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Old 05-29-2009, 12:58 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Wait....

Is the series really that good?
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Old 05-29-2009, 04:31 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Wait....

Is the series really that good?
Oh, yeah. It really is.
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Wait....

Is the series really that good?
My friend, I am sorry that you never got the chance to watch it. I think you would have liked it.
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Is the series really that good?
Yes, yes it was.
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Is the series really that good?
YES!

It improves every season till the end. 7 season of greatness. And if you can, try to watch Angel (tv serie) in sync with the Buffy series if you can as they match up for a ton of characters!
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Old 05-30-2009, 08:54 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Wait....

Is the series really that good?
Yes. Yesyesyesyes.


I disagree with Mexican, though...I wasn't overly fond of season 7. Even so, it DOES have a couple of my favorite episodes. Maybe I just need to go back and rewatch it; I didn't like season 4 until I watched the whole thing all the way through, marathon-style.
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:04 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I also say that it really was that good. I think, however, that it peaked in Season 3, and that Season 6 was almost unwatchable.
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I also say that it really was that good. I think, however, that it peaked in Season 3, and that Season 6 was almost unwatchable.
Season 6 had "Once More, with Feeling". My favorite episode of them all and still one of the best episodes of any TV show I have seen. I can still watch that one and be moved.
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Old 06-01-2009, 01:00 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Not everyone likes Season 6 but I thought much of it was one of the best seasons in the whole series. Season 5 was my least favourite.
And of all the shows Joss Whedon has done, Buffy is still my favourite. Firefly might have become that had it been allowed to continue.
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Old 06-01-2009, 01:56 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I have very mixed feelings on Season 6. it has some spectacularly cool stuff (I love dark Willow, Once More with Feeling, Spike and Buffy, among others) but I desperately hate Warren, Andrew and Jonathan as the bad guys. Everything about them and their episodes just ends up making me angry, which ends up being much of that season. I have zero love for how the Anya and Xander storyline plays out, too, and even having watched it a bunch of times still can't come up with a good reason for how things play out other than "because Joss decided it would be."

That said, our purchase of the Buffy and Angel box sets was without question one of our best decisions in terms of rewatchable, enjoyable TV. I think the only thing I play more often is Arrested Development, and that only because it's much more quick and digestable.

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The Triad was really just a distraction for them. The villans of Season 6 are themselves. They were all self-destructive at various parts of the season but in the end they were able to pull it back together to fight. The likely reason why people didn't like S6 as much is that crazy things happen all season and most of them show the characters' weak sides.
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Wait....

Is the series really that good?
I loved it, not sure if you watched Firefly but it had same type of tongue-in-cheek/smart humor that made the show great to watch.

Buffy: 1-3 Seasons
Hulu has the first three seasons in good quality for everyone to watch for free. Check it out, it's worth watching.

I agree 100% with Bill O'Rights, no Allison, no watchy. I'll be standing behind him with a torch of my own.
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Season 6 had "Once More, with Feeling". My favorite episode of them all and still one of the best episodes of any TV show I have seen. I can still watch that one and be moved.
Most definitely. I always, ALWAYS get chills during "Walk Through the Fire," and I've seen it at least thirty times.
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One of the best shows ever....nothing on TV, throw in the Buffy DVD's I love every single season.....Jonathon without the other two was hilarious lol Of course...my heart did/does/will always belong to Spike

Xander has ruined me lol Now he is on Criminal Minds and I keep waiting for the Xanderism's lol
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The Triad was really just a distraction for them. The villans of Season 6 are themselves. They were all self-destructive at various parts of the season but in the end they were able to pull it back together to fight. The likely reason why people didn't like S6 as much is that crazy things happen all season and most of them show the characters' weak sides.
That being fairly true, the Triad still acts as the catalyst for all that badness and makes up a significant part of the plot line of the season. So they might not truly be "the big bad" but as far as I'm concerned they're still a horribly obnoxious (and more than slightly nonsensical) part of the season.
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Why in Hell would you want to go see a movie, paying a god-awful amount of money, just to see the same damn story you could see for free on TV? It's idiotic. I'm lookin at you Star Trek and Simpson's fans......

The original movie was a better story, IMO. I kinda like the show at first, but towards the end it was just a damned soap opera with witches and vampires.

Firefly = greatness
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Why in Hell would you want to go see a movie, paying a god-awful amount of money, just to see the same damn story you could see for free on TV? It's idiotic. I'm lookin at you Star Trek and Simpson's fans......

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Firefly = greatness
So... I'm guessing that you skipped Serenity?
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