Fremen

Somebody hold me. I think my brain exploded/imploded...

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ngdawg

OK, I'm insulted.
They made Locke born in 1956 and he looks like that??? All the writers must be under 40 and think anyone born in the 50's is older than dirt.
So, Richard bounces around in time, explaining his lack of aging.
I'm right there with ya, Fremen....thank goodness I don't watch this on commercial tv- it goes faster online.

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Willravel

It's possible Locke looks a bit more aged because of the incredible stress in his life. Foster homes, being alone, dealing with a scamming father, falling 4 stories and being paralyzed... not to mention all the crap that happened after he got on the island.

Rekna

Well the actor was born in 52 so he isn't to far off...

ratbastid

Plus, they really "younged" him up in his flash-backs, right up until the box company. Remember that wig he wore while dating Peg Bundy? If you were to put his scenes in chronological order, I think you'd see a significant jump in his apparent age right before coming to the Island.

fresnelly

I think the Neutron Bomb is still buried and unexploded somewhere. It was leaking radiation and wasn't there some kind of sickness on the island?

Besides, it's too handy a plot device to let go. Perhaps it will, you know... help the series end with a bang.

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YAAAAHOOOOO!!!
Spoiler: The triumphant return of Jin!!!

ratbastid

Oh, I was SO damn happy about that. I guess he's been bobbing out there since the explosion, shifting through time on his makeshift raft?

Fremen

Yup, and ran smack dab into a young Danielle Rousseau and her party.

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Grancey

This time thing is really making my head spin. Bobbing to shore shortly after the explosion, running into Rousseau who is younger (16 yrs younger?) than when she met the original Lost ones, and all of this happening three years after they left? I think I need to draw a chart to keep up.

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fresnelly

Now I'm racking my brain as to her interactions with Jin over the past couple of seasons.

I have to say though, I think Jin and Sun are fated to be pulled apart in the end, just like Romeo and Juliet; or perhaps more appropriately, like Bruce Willis and Madeline Stowe in 12 Monkeys. I think their end will ultimately be one of the stronger metaphors for Fate on the show and again and again we'll see circumstances pull them apart.

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Frosstbyte

I felt a little cheated that they actually thought they were making a big reveal at the end when she said her name was Rousseau. I mean, seriously, is there anyone who watches the show that didn't instantly know it was her party as soon as they started speaking French? I kind of doubt it.

I think Jin and Sun's fate will depend largely on how Sun acts. Right now she's firmly opposed to the Island's wishes. I don't think Ben is a good guy, though he's by far my favorite character, but I do think that his primary goal is keeping the island safe. Sun's current quest to kill him and her tentative alliance with Whitmore puts her against that, which might not end up well. I will say that I'd much rather Jin and Sun have the "happy couple ending" than any of Sawyer, Kate and Jack.

Another interesting episode, to be sure. I wish I had the time and energy to filter through all the previous Rousseau episodes to see if they've been consistent with her having met Jin previously. I guess another question is just how long Jin is going to remain in that timeline. I guess he could poof pretty quickly.

ratbastid

+1. That was annoying.

Well that's the thing--when Des met Daniel, he didn't remember him when he met him again later... He didn't remember it until the time was in sync (from Daniel's perspective) with when Daniel forced himself into Des's time continuum. So presumably somewhere Rousseau just sat up and said, "Hey! That Korean 815 survivor guy! He was the dude we rescued when we were coming ashore!"

fresnelly

Okay, I'll admit it. I'm that guy.

Their clothes looked contemporary to me so I thought they were yet another group of interlopers, perhaps a French team looking for Rousseau. Weren't they the ones involved in the Canoe-by shooting of Sawyer's crew who's gear was on the beach at the Lost Camp in modern time?

When she mentioned her name, I actually confused her with the daughter and thought "OMG! The dead girl wasn't the real daughter!!"

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Fremen

I confess I was one that didn't catch it at first, either. I was semi-watching Lost while playing Lego Star Wars.
I paid attention when they zoomed in on Jin, then Rousseau started talking to him and mentioned her name.
It was another cool little Lost moment that keeps me interested in Lost, but they're few and far between, that's why my attention wanders to other things.

Aren't they supposed to be resolving things? How many episodes are there left?

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Frosstbyte

That was...episode 4 of this season, so there are 12 left here and another 16 next season. 28 total. There's PLENTY more conflict and questions to come before you start seeing a lot of resolution. And, to add to that, they've certainly given us a lot of juicy answers. I think if you expect to understand everything at the end of Lost, you will be disappointed. I wouldn't count on all being clear.

ratbastid

They've said right out loud that they WON'T be resolving every single mystery. What would be the fun in that, really?

But this time bouncing business has already answered a lot of things!

Fremen

Ok, thanks you two. I'm calm now, and I resolve not to let it get to me too much.


/stops gnashing

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I don't think there are any spoilers here for a Season 5 thread, but if there are, please someone tell me how to insert spoiler tags if needed or insert them for me (I don't know how).

I haven't posted in this or any other Lost thread until now, but I am getting so fed up with the writers that I have to vent a little. This is really just a rant about my favorite show.

Like ngdawg, I got hung up on every little detail and picked the show to death for the first half dozen episodes or so. Then I realized (after reading online supposition's galore) mystery (pfft, not details) was going to be par-for-the-course and settled in for the ride.

I've been on that ride from episode one and I want off but I can't get off!

I loved the mystery and loose-ends for the first couple of season's, expecting that MOST would be tied up in the near future and then more would take their place. Now, here we are in the 5th season and there are STILL questions not answered from the first season.

The last season, without those answer's, they decided to throw flash-back/time-forward to the current island inhabitant's into the equation. It was entertaining and a good season nontheless, but just threw MORE questions into the mix.

Then we had the writer's strike which led to a huge lapse without Lost and they come back with the new season, having jumps in time from not only the "present" for those who left (future for those on the island), but we are also subject to select people who are on the "past" island jumping through time with the "flashes".

I still am enjoying the show but I find myself getting increasingly frustrated with the (ongoing) lack of answers to the ever growing questions, especially with the finite life of the show now known. If there still aren't answer's now in season five to season one question's (although they hinted at Smokies hidey hole and purpose tonight), then how the hell are they going to handle the last two years? Not forwarding the story, just explaining the past?

Grrr. Yes this is an adult tantrum. Please don't hate me, this has been building for five seasons.

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Danielle doesn't know who Jin is in the future because she had not yet met him in her past. By the time she meets him in her past, she is dead in the future.

The time paradox thing works both forwards and backwards.

Desmond wakes up suddenly three years after he is off the island and remembers something Faraday told him months before he left. The meeting hadn't happened yet when Faraday first meets Desmond when Faraday gets to the island.

It is like even though all the backwards and forwards is presently going on, in the big picture, time, or whatever you want to call it, (the collective consciousness?) is still moving forward.

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Another great episode last night. BTW anyone notice how the lack of Hurley in the episodes makes the show better? I really hate his character. He adds nothing to the show.

BTW I didn't get that it was Rousseau on the raft either until she said her name.

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fresnelly

I wonder, given their shared first names, if there's a connection between Daniel Faraday and Danielle Rousseau.

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Zeraph

Eh, he doesn't look that old to me. He's got that ageless maturity that JL Pecard has in Star Trek TNG.

I love this show. My new favorite. I just started watching it a few months ago. And it's a lot better watching ~6 episodes or so a week rather than at best, 1 per week when its new. It's a lot easier to catch a lot more, plus its easier to sit back and enjoy the mystery when you know you can watch the next episode right away. I almost wish I could wait till the season was over before I watched it, alas my cohorts won't let me.

Reese

I admit that I didn't know it was Danielle Rousseau until the reveal. I wasn't really paying attention to the language they were speaking. I wonder if going down into the smoke monster cave had anything to do with Danielle's friends getting "sick?" To me it sounded like the guy yelling was awfully conscious when he was yelling he was OK and that the smoke monster was gone considering he just had his arm ripped off.

Terry O'quinn doesn't look that old.. I mean he's not even 4 years older than his character and as others have said, he's had a stressful life. Not to mention every on the island looks like crap. I'm sure he'll look better when he gets a shower and a healthy meal in him when he gets off the island.

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Grancey

Halfway through last night's episode, our power blew. I blame my idiot neighbor doing who know's what in his back yard, but I have no proof. Just finished watching the complete episode online. It keeps getting better.....

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Fremen

Weren't those hieroglyphs written outside the structure the smoke monster pulled the Frenchman into?
Were Egyptians the only peoples to use hieroglyphs?

And, boo to Las! Hurley brings much comic relief to a show that takes itself too seriously.
They need him.

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ngdawg

I had a feeling he was never really dead anyway since the explosion was behind him. Plus Sun's intent on destroying Widmore and her own father because she blamed them. Soon as she took Hurley to the grave marker, the light went on.....
Now to find out what Sawyer whispered before he jumped into the water...
Yea, I'm still picking it apart as I watch it, but I do watch it, dammit...

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FoolThemAll

I know this post was from a while ago... but my favorite part of the hatch's purpose was discovering that it was Desmond's procrastination that released the electromagnetic energy in dangerous - but not yet irreversible - levels and caused flight 815 to tear apart in midair. A much more satisfying explanation than the 'fate' answer they often give.

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ratbastid

I'm not sure I'd say that following your so-called "partner" to catch him red-handed planning to ditch you with the button then accidentally killing him constitutes "procrastination".

FoolThemAll

Tomayto, tomahto. He was looking for something to distract him from button-pushing and found it. It's really an allegory for the damage that excessive Halo tournaments can do to your future - you might skip over that paragraph snippet in your physics book that tells you how an electromagnetic force of sufficient size can tear apart a plane in mid-flight if pilot/agent Eric Weiss changes course and BAM! Nose bleeds.

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Frosstbyte

This season just keeps getting better. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what got Hurley, Kate and Sayid there (and the fate of Aaron, of course), but that was quite the enjoyable episode and I'm glad we're back on the island instead of still in LA. Because, let's be honest, the island is way cooler.

Though I will lament the probable lack of Desmond. Oh well.

Troublebot

I'm still not sure Desmond isn't on the plane. If he's not, he'll be on his boat. Something tells me Ben's current physical state has to do with the promise he made to Charles Widmore.

I don't think there's a guitar in Hurley's case. And I loved the shout out to Y:The Last Man. Nice going BKV!

Looking forward to next week and the story of Jeremy Benthem!

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ngdawg

Eh, I think the fate of Aaron is easy-he's with Claire's mother.

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ratbastid

Certainly. Penny's dead. Des is coming for Ben. The island's not done with him.

That case re-enacts Charlie's guitar case on the original flight, I guess. Maybe its presence compensated for the missing baby? And... YES! Y: Il Ultimo Hombre!!! I recognized the cover art before I really read the title, but when I saw it, I paused the DVR and screamed right out loud.

The next question is, what time is it? Jinn came up in Dharma kit, truck, uniform, and weapon. So we're presumably pre-"hostile coup". Have we been so long since a flash that Jinn has integrated himself with Dharma? Will the flashing stop, now that the Six are back? (Well, five of them plus a guitar case and presumably the other passengers we met--"Sorry about your friend" guy and Sayid's federal marshal among those we'll see again, obviously)

ngdawg

I think the flashing stopped when John "fixed" the wheel-it being off its axis was causing the time flashes. The question is, at what point in time did it stop? Jinn smiles so he knows them.
I agree, something is going to involve those other two on the plane, but what about Frank Lapidus?

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Frosstbyte

I wouldn't be totally shocked if Kate were pregnant, either, but we'll just have to see. I'm not at all convinced that Penny is dead at this point, though it's certainly a strong possibility for why Ben got all busted.

fresnelly

Here's a new photo of Ben and Whidmore together:

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Troublebot

Wow.

Could that episode have been any better? I love how they're setting up their final season. I'd go into spoilers, but I have no idea how to hide it, so I'll just say... I'm sure Ben had a reason for doing what he did and I want to know what that reason is right now... dammit.

John Locke is the awesome. It'll be interesting to see how all this plays out.

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Me too. My first thought on the book was, "Hey, isn't that 'One Small Step'?"

I think we are back pre-hostile coup. When Charles Widmore says theres a war coming and John needs to make sure the right side wins I'm sure he means, Locke kicks Bens ass, Dharma stays on the island, Widmore is never exiled. The question is... is he telling the truth? Who has the islands best interests at heart, Ben or Charles?

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Frosstbyte

I'm putting my money on Ben. While Ben has been shown to be, without question, ruthless, cruel and manipulative, there has never been a shred of doubt in my mind that he's doing what he honestly believes is in the best interests of the island and, whatever else, I'm pretty sure we're supposed to be on the side of the island. Until this episode, the show has repeatedly and deliberately shown Charles to be in it for himself. The commandos, his treatment of Desmond and his daughter, etc. I don't have any faith in his pitch to Locke, because he's not comported himself in a way that makes him in any way reliable. And, if nothing else, I think Jacob-whoever or whatever he is-and Richard are the best clues we have as to what the island wants. Both of them seem to approve of Ben and his leadership. Richard didn't seem at all pleased with young Widmore, and we've never seen Charles with Jacob. Guess we'll have to see.

My only guess about Ben's killing of Locke is that he knew enough to know that for the six to get back, the plane needed to have conditions as close as possible to the original crash-which included a dead body and that a suicide wouldn't be close enough circumstances for the island. On the note of killing Locke, assuming he ever meant for him to stay dead, Ben is not doing so well. Island/Locke 2; Ben 0.

Fremen

Ben only killed Locke when he told him Jinn's wishes. So Ben wants all of them to go back.

Btw, a portal from a tropical island to a fucking desert in Tunisia? Epic!

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