Paul McCartney vs Ted Nugent - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

warrrreagl · 06-19-2007, 07:32 PM

I found this on Drudge this morning, and then it disappeared.

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Ted Nugent: 'Live and let live' foreign idea to left

Sunday, June 17, 2007

I like sizzling meat on the grill. Wild, huh? Anybody? Now, we all know ol' Nuge isn't by any stretch of the imagination a weirdo when it comes to an omnivorous diet.

Especially here in the great Republic of Texas, a smiling, drooling preference for succulent, protein-rich, nutritious backstrap over aromatic mesquite coals is as American and natural and right as Mom, apple pie and the flag. It's beautiful, really.

But a culture war rages against such universal, self-evident truths. It would be laughable if it were not so deranged. Some weirdos actually are on a crusade to outlaw the consumption of flesh.

I have musical touring associates who have been fired from their jobs with ex-Beatle Paul McCartney for sneaking a hamburger.

You heard that right. Fired for eating meat by an animal-rights maniac, hard-core vegan bass player.

The entire agenda of the gazillion-dollar-financed joke known as PETA literally is dedicated to outlawing meat.

Neither I, nor any hunter or meat eater on the planet, has any desire whatsoever to influence any vegetarian's choice of diet or to force them to eat meat. We are the friendly, tolerant Americans.

This is but one of many issues that represent the line drawn in the sand between liberals and conservatives.

Our own intrepid opinion editor at the Trib, my friend John Young, doesn't want to simply make the choice to be unarmed and helpless for himself. He has again recently insisted that you and I must also comply with his soulless condition of unarmed helplessness in "gun-free zones."

Nobody from our side wants to force anybody to have a gun or defend themselves. It is us, the conservatives, who are for individual choice.

Taxation, confiscation

As for the American left: One hears the words of Mao Tse-Tung come broiling out of the mouths of its heroes, when Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton et al unflinchingly push for "redistribution of wealth."

Central Texas' own Chet Edwards has the audacity to support taxing the after-tax life savings of American families following the death of a loved one.

The unfair, un-American, unconstitutional death tax literally destroys mom-and-pop businesses across the land. Think about it.

The wall that once symbolized communism is down, yet some still want to give it a shot. Dear God in heaven, help us.

Recently, Danny Glover, an otherwise fine actor, embarrassingly abused his uniquely American freedoms by siding with the communist Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez to finance what clearly appears to be an anti-American propaganda film. Nice.

Meanwhile, right there in that communist country, old Hugo is shutting down an entire media network for daring to challenge his heavy handed, corrupt, dictatorial policies.

This is a leader who has proudly sided with terrorist support groups, and Danny Glover gives him a big hug.

If a Venezuelan citizen were to do so with President Bush, I am confident that Chavez would not respect that individual's right to free expression.

Venezuela gives its citizens no right to free expression. Glover must be blinded by the trees in that forest.

Examine the agendas of the liberal "party of peace." Its members clearly don't believe you and I are smart enough or capable of making our own choices in life.

While conservatives "live and let live," the left arrogantly thinks it knows better than we do and will burden "we the people" with more government control until we are taxed to death.

Watch them. Listen, pay attention and blow whistles.

Educate your family, neighbors, friends, co-workers and hunting buddies on how dangerous such control is against the American Dream of individual pursuit of happiness.

Throw off the shackles of government-run slavery. Stand up for individual independence. Enough is enough.

Hey, Hugo and Hillary, leave me alone.

Ted Nugent is a Waco-based musician and television show host.

http://www.wacotrib.com/opin/content...ac_nugent.html

I pretty much ignored most of the piece except for the part about Sir Paul. My first reaction was agreement with Ted about Paul's arrogance. He's right in that vegans and vegetarians always feel obligated to get everyone eating like them, but meat-eaters never do the same. Plus, McCartney's a prick.

Then I brought it up with Grancey and she sided with Sir Paul. Her opinion is that if Paul is paying the salary, then he gets to make the terms. And if the roadies knew the terms, agreed to them, and still broke them, then they deserved to get fired. According to her, if you're not comfortable with the terms, then don't take the job.

EDIT: I thought I put this thing in Music, but I obviously goofed and put it here in Entertainment. So when I started constructing a PM to a mod asking it to be moved, I couldn't figure out where it belongs. Music? Politics? Living? Cooking? Or is it right at home in Entertainment?

Damnfinn · 06-22-2007, 12:13 PM

We the little people are the targets of the elite since we can't be trusted to think for ourselves in their opinion. The problem lies in part that too many people feel rather than think when making decisions about who leads us, speak for us, etc.

filtherton · 06-22-2007, 01:24 PM

I think the nuge is confused about conservatives. Apparently, hugo chavez, hillary clinton, and paul mccartney are the only threats to individual freedoms.

He presumably likes the current republican establishment, which means that when it comes to supporting "live and let live" he's full of shit.

FoolThemAll · 06-22-2007, 04:08 PM

Yeah, liberal/conservative generalizations almost always turn out to be crap. This op-ed's theme is no exception.

Paul's certainly in the right, legally, and should be. I liken this to the threads about smoking, prescribing contraceptives, espousing political views in the workplace, ect. - the employer should be the decider.

Morally, though, he's still a prick.

Anxst · 06-22-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll

Paul's certainly in the right, legally, and should be. I liken this to the threads about smoking, prescribing contraceptives, espousing political views in the workplace, ect. - the employer should be the decider.

I agree entirely. if the employer lays down some laws, and you don't abide, you knew it was coming.

On the other hand, I think it's a dumbass rule. How do what your employees eat affect you? Shouldn't you be tolerant while attempting to sway them to your way of thinking?

yournamehere · 06-23-2007, 11:37 AM

I don't know - I stopped reading at "great Republic of Texas."

I lived in Texas for over 5 years, which makes it even harder for me to understand why Texans are so full of themselves.

If you're going to begin your monologue by elevating yourself above the other 49 states, where's my motivation to listen?

06-22-2007, 12:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
Damnfinn Crazy Location: WI,U.S.A.	We the little people are the targets of the elite since we can't be trusted to think for ourselves in their opinion. The problem lies in part that too many people feel rather than think when making decisions about who leads us, speak for us, etc. __________________ I was told to get a life, but all the good ones were taken.

06-22-2007, 04:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
FoolThemAll Walking is Still Honest Location: Seattle, WA	Yeah, liberal/conservative generalizations almost always turn out to be crap. This op-ed's theme is no exception. Paul's certainly in the right, legally, and should be. I liken this to the threads about smoking, prescribing contraceptives, espousing political views in the workplace, ect. - the employer should be the decider. Morally, though, he's still a prick. __________________ I wonder if we're stuck in Rome.

06-23-2007, 11:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
yournamehere Invisible Location: tentative, at best	I don't know - I stopped reading at "great Republic of Texas." I lived in Texas for over 5 years, which makes it even harder for me to understand why Texans are so full of themselves. If you're going to begin your monologue by elevating yourself above the other 49 states, where's my motivation to listen? __________________ If you want to avoid 95% of internet spelling errors: "If your ridiculous pants are too loose, you're definitely going to lose them. Tell your two loser friends over there that they're going to lose theirs, too." It won't hurt your fashion sense, either. Last edited by yournamehere; 07-05-2007 at 03:23 PM..

06-22-2007, 01:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I think the nuge is confused about conservatives. Apparently, hugo chavez, hillary clinton, and paul mccartney are the only threats to individual freedoms. He presumably likes the current republican establishment, which means that when it comes to supporting "live and let live" he's full of shit.