kutulu

The way they introduced Julia Styles was shocking. This will certainly present a dilemma for him.

Lasereth

Oh yeah this character was great.

The last episode was off the charts great. When Dexter stuck him in the neck and he turned around and popped him with the dart I was like SHIT JUST GOT REAL.

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Lasereth

This is turning into the best season so far IMO.

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Tully Mars

I just watched episode 5, seemed kind of boring but I'm betting it's laying the ground work for a "killer" future episode.

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Strange Famous

I despise the concept and the actual show.

Making some kind of hero out of this revolting murderer who is supposed to be an "honourable" killer, yet has on multiple occasions butchered women

When they make a show where he is caught, tried, and then hanged by the neck until dead -I'll watch that episode.

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SecretMethod70

Did you have something new to contribute strange, or are you just restating your previous position for the troll factor?

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Strange Famous

I think I am entitled to my view. If you consider a critical view of a show you apparently like to "contribute nothing" thats for you to say, I consider it a contribution to state that it is unpleasant and disquieting to make a show which makes a serial killer into a hero. Its a shame that enough people dont agree with me that this kind of thing is taken off the air in my opinion.

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Slims

I don't see the problem...Dexter is by no means a 'good' person, but he has not killed anyone yet who didn't deserve it.

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Tully Mars

Strange, Dexter is an anti-hero. There have been many anti-heroes in literary, films and television. If you don't like the show don't watch it. Then you won't have to keep returning here to tell everyone you hate it.

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Strange Famous

I dont watch it. I'd like it to be banned also probably... or more accurately I would like no one to watch it so it gets cancelled on its own.

Dexter murdered his own wife, purely because she kissed another man, didnt he? When youre a serial killer I guess the standards of "who deserves it" equals anyone when the sick lust grabs hold of you

edit - oh, I see... I said a similar thing last year. I didnt remember that, but I am glad I am constant in my opinons

Dexter DOES deserve to be hanged. He is a murderer by any logic or reasoning, and I am sure he has committed murder in CA, which has the death penalty.

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Tully Mars

Dexter is set in Floria (Miami,) not California. I never seen a show where he even travels to California. Dexter did not kill his wife.

I hate rap and hip hop music I think it talks about killing and mistreating women all the time, let's censor it too?

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Strange Famous

Yes he did (kill his wife) and he set the other killer (the religious guy) to take the rap.

Florida has the death penalty anyway (according to wikipedia) so he can be hanged all the same.

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But when it comes down to it, the key argument is about whether he killed one victim or another - the whole point of the character is that he is a serial killer (although not a very realistic one). I really dont think that thats something which should be glamourised.

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Tully Mars

No he didn't or at least that's not been a plot twist yet nor would it fit his MO. The "Trinity Killer" (John Lithgow) killed Rita.

Why don't you go talk about something you actually have some knowledge of, please.

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Strange Famous

Like I said, he framed up the religious guy for it. That doesnt mean he didnt do it. He is a murderer, it isnt like he doesnt have the form is it? Its all well and good to say I dont know anything about it, but I have seen the show. I havent seen every episode, as perhaps you have, but it is quite clear to me that he committed this crime.

It doesnt take much to get underneath this perverts skin in terms of his motivation. He is a murderer, driven by some sick sexual impulse that ticks away inside of him to kill. He has been conditioned by his father to kill only people who truly deserve it.

But he is also a sociopath, a monster in a human skin - who knows how to pretend to be a man to a sufficient degree to get by, but cannot ever really feel what it is like. Do you think he is really a good judge of "who truly deserves it".

His hands are soaked in blood, his first crimes were other killers, sadists, people who he could easily justify killing. But the killing engine inside of him is never sated, and there is never enough blood to be shed. Sooner or later, he will start to see anyone as evil, anyone as deserving of murder.

He feels his wife portrayed him. We know he didnt love her, he is incapable of love (he does not deny he incapable of love, does he?)... but still his pride can be hurt, or he can start to worrt she knows too much...

And so bangs goes the gun, or swish goes the knife... the child set up in a sick parody of the tragedy which marred his own childhood and jolted him onto this path.

Come on, do you really believe that "Trinity" did it? Does that really make sense to you? This might be what Dexter wants the police to think, maybe even what he himself wants to think so he can maintain his lie that he only kills "bad guys"... but the only thing that makes sense is that he did it.

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Tully Mars

There's really too much wrong with that post to even try to correct.

Stop trolling in this thread and get another hobby dude.

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Strange Famous

Im not trying to be funny about it - but dont you think youre being a bit defensive about this?

Like I said, I have seen the show, and I form my opinion on what I have seen. There is a different between being a troll and not agreeing with other people.

Furthermore, this is a discussion about a fictional television show... how could "being a troll" even be possible in terms of one or another interpretation of a fictional show?

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Saying:

"all rap should be banned as it is sexist"

is surely a far more "trollish" statement than me saying:

"the self admitted serial killer in this show is a revolting crook and should be hanged and I dont think shows where the heroes are serial killers are a good idea"

Saying rap should all be banned and all rap encourages abuse of women or glorifies killing is very easily proved to be untrue. (ie lots of rap doesnt mention killing of abuse of women) and seems to me to be a knowingly false or exagerated statement made obviously to excite dispute.

The things I have said about Dexter are not said to encourage dispute, they are said to persuade people to agree with my view, and they are not knowingly false, they are based on the occasions I have seen the show.

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Tully Mars

First you state you don't watch it, then you go on to make numerous inaccurate posts regarding the plot and it's location.

My point with the rap comment was basically trying to say "here's a ridiculous demand I'd like to make about something I don't follow or listen to."

Yes I think you're tolling in this thread and this will be my last response to you in it.

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SecretMethod70

Strange, the things you say are knowingly false when you insist they are true despite being told otherwise by people who actually have knowledge of the subject. The creative team behind "Dexter" have never given any indication that he murdered his wife and have done everything they can to make it clear that that is not the case.

That factual inaccuracy is only one of the many problems with your posts in this thread.

Whether you want to admit it or not, your posts so far in this thread are trolling - and if you continue in the same fashion, they will be treated as such from here on out. Otherwise, if you want to have a mature discussion about the merits of a television show like Dexter, and are willing to listen when people correct your misinformation, then you are welcome to continue discussion.

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Strange Famous

Right, so basically what you are saying, as a moderator of this site is:

1 - You know more than I do about a fictional television show, that in fact I have watched

2 - Since I wont agree with you and Tully Mars, and continue to state an interpretation of a television show that you have stated is wrong, I am being a troll and if I continue to dispute what you say I am being a troll.

3 - Keep being a troll, and "be treated as such"

I dont want to labour the point, but this is a fictional television show. The actual murder is not explictly shown, you dont SEE Trinity killing the wife. I even went on the Wikipedia and it also suggests that Dexter may have committed the murder. There is no factual truth, it is a made up television show.

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To be honest, I really dont think I will bother to take part in this conversation any further though.

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Jetée

It was in a few publications as old as six months I'm recalling, as well as the some live series interview with the cast and writers, on Showtime. This was some months back though (early,mid-summer). Finding them, though, might be a bit of a chore, as I only skim the main points each and every one of them sought to make. I'll look.

I don't discount the reality I could be wrong with my assertion, notion that this is the final go-'round for the series. Wait and see approach, I guess.

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Shauk

SF, you're so far off base here, you think the entire viewerbase of this show, readerbase of the book, and members of this forum who discuss both are so without a moral compass that you're the only one pointing in the right direction?

I think you need to take a step back and realize you don't actually know what you're talking about.

Do yourself a favor, do download the entirety of season 4 and watch it again. Lithgow's character wasn't only the "Trinity" killer, he was killing in 4's, not 3's It's just that it took Dexter's obsession with him to figure out that he'd been burying children alive in concrete. The thing is, he found out that Dexter Morgan wasn't Kyle Butler, found out where he lived, and we're left to assume that he managed to off his wife before Dexter could get to him and end his reign of murders.

Dexter was actually looking forward to the honeymoon and being with Rita, along with appreciating the fact that she was a good mother and could watch the kids which gave him the free time to be the vigilante that he feels he needs to be. Now he has to try and manage his bloodlust with an even bigger social barrier than before, the fact that he's a single father with a full time career seems a bit demotivational towards a reason why he'd even consider murdering his wife. If anything he would have murdered the neighbor, but he didn't.

Lasereth

SF no one thinks Dexter is honorable or applauds him for his actions. Fans of the show watch it because it's entertaining seeing how a serial killer deals with his life. I think you're misunderstanding how fans of the show view the character of Dexter.

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Lasereth

Last night's episode was really good. When Dexter Spoiler: broke the guy's neck I got goosebumps.

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kutulu

I loved that part also, the look he had on his face and the look he exchanged with Lumen were amazing.

Tully Mars

I was expecting good last night. Last week felt like a lot of work laying a frame work. I certainly wasn't disappointed by the episode.


So how long before Dexter and Lumen "hook-up?" He doesn't seem to need or have a normal sex drive, she's a rape survivor. Their relationship would by no means be normal but I bet she moves in with him and the relationship they reveal to the outside world would look as normal as everything else about Dexter.

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Jetée

I have just caught up on the past 3 weeks' episodes in the last 3 days (going to watch tonight's episode tomorrow afternoon).

I don't have much to say, other than to let it be known that "Everything is Illuminated" might be the most fist-pumpingly-good episode of Dexter I've seen since last Thanksgiving. The first half had me just trailing along, but by the time all the mian characters' were leaving their posts and meeting up together, I was ready to shadow-roundhouse-kick to express my exhiliration with how the story came together in the end.

I also intensely dislike Lumen's character, and her excuses and bloodlust for vengeance. I don't rightly know where her story is going to lead, but I have a real strong urge to state that Dex might have to nix her in about a month or so, if only because I can't see her value (sure, she has a dark passenger, but what else? Is she going to become Dex's newest foil, or his unexpected apprentice).

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RogueGypsy

I'm leaning toward apprentice and look forward to the ongoing twist this implies.

It's an awesome show.

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kutulu

She was tortured and raped repeatedly by these guys. I think that is plenty of an excuse for bloodlust and vengeance on those guys. The real question is what will she become after they take out the whole group?

Lasereth

I loved last night's episode. I got a little misty eyed when Dexter brought his son to meet Lumen. I like her character and this season keeps getting better and better.

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Tully Mars

Ok, someone please post last nights episode on Vureel or Megavideo... I'm starting the have withdrawals.

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Tully Mars

Ok, yes I agree last night episode was very good. I thought last season couldn't be topped, think I might have been wrong.

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Eddie38

Big Dexter fan. Was disappointed with season 2 and 3, season 1 and 4 were amazing. Season 5 is shaping up to be excellent. That said, I can't hardly stomach Julia Stiles acting. They could have cast someone so much better, and prettier.

Lasereth

I agree with your assessment about the seasons but I like Julia Stiles. I think she's beautiful and I like how different her acting is than other typical blonde women on TV.

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SecretMethod70

I'm also fond of Julia Stiles. I wouldn't go so far as to say this season is shaping up to be as good as season 4, but it is pretty damn good.

Side note: Does anyone know the name of the actor that plays Cole?

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Jetée

Who is Cole? Chase's bodyguard? He is portrayed by the actor Chris Vance (if we are on the same page here).

(it took a bit of run-around to find this info out - 8+ min. worth)

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SecretMethod70

That's him. Thanks!

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kutulu

Fuck last night's episode was so awesome. Through the whole thing it seemed like nothing was going to work.

One question I have:

Spoiler: What about the smashed door?

Also:
Spoiler: Robocop seeing them on the docks is bad fucking news

jewels

Right!?!?!?

I wondered about that, too.

Also:
Hell to the yeahhhhh!


Also, I about had a heart attack for the first time EVER watching a TV show. I think it's a good thing, though!

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Tully Mars

A day later and I finally get to see it.

Concur, freaking great episode.

Wellers got to go at sometime. He's a bad cop, busted by IA (plus he's only contracted for 8 episodes.) Wonder how his end will come? I doubt it will be on Dexter's table and I hope he doesn't get blown up in a cabin.

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That's one of the things I'm most curious about. Quinn is certainly getting uncomfortable with where things are going, but what is he going to do about it?

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