http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...mg/nav_629.gif

Heres a pic from BBC with times of the blasts.


Edit: We brits are used to terrorism, it's happened many many times before here. We'll stop our complaining, pick up our briefcases, help the wounded then bitch slap the people who did it.

I'd give you a giant fucking kiss on the cheek right now if I could.

WELL SAID!!! :thumbsup:

Today, my heart goes out to my brethren and sisters in the U.K and around the world that may have lost loved ones or had loved ones maimed.

There is no excuse for this nor is there reason beside someone wanting to cause great harm to innocents.

Today and tomorrow is a day for all to share the tears, the heartfelt sadnesses and the laughter from the memories of the lost loved ones.

After the mourning, we can come out with resolve and find ways to strike back and take out those responsible.

In the coming days, there will be much political grandstanding and sides accusing each other, but we cannot allow our focus to be taken off the cruelty and evilness of those truly responsible. We cannot fight ourselves and divide our houses anymore, the terrorists, the cowards, the evil feasts on that, relies on that and wants that.

It's like the Star Trek episode where the little lighty thing watched as the Federation and Klingons fought on the Enterprise, to where noone truly died they would get back up and fight more. The lighty thing fed on it until Kirk and the Klingon commander realized they had to make peace with each other and fight the true enemy.

Perhaps, that is a bad, or sophomoric analogy, but it is one desperately needed to help remind us who and what we truly want to strike back at....... not ourselves, not divide our house....... instead unite, find compromise and then show the only weakness we have is that of compassion for days like today.

Let us show the resolve of understanding the other side, let us be like the Kirk and the Klingons, and show these people that the more we are attacked the closer we become and the stronger our resolve becomes to find those responsible and bring them to justice......

Without division, without fear the terrorists can never win. With division, inner turmoil and bitterness in our house.... the terrorists feast and thrive.

Which do you choose?

WELL PUT! :thumbsup:

I felt bummed this whole morning when I found out about all this. Kings Cross was my station when I stayed in London last Summer.

I've never been to New York, or Madrid, so those never felt real to me, but London hurts a bit more, knowing that I've seen it, know that it is in fact a real place, where real people were killed because some nutcase decided that they should.

I sleep more soundly knowing that hell or torment or at least another sixty or so lives exist for the bastards who do these things.

OK, so I have to apologize before saying this because, the twisted part of my sense of humor finds it funny, and I know if it were me, I would be laughing...

Heard on the news tonite, that the bus that was bombed, actually had a bunch of passengers that were evacuated from the subway station that was bombed...

How much has that got to suc... you are on your way to work, and theres an explosion... you're a trooper and you carry on and hop on the bus so you can go to work, now the bus that you are on gets bombed.. Umm... Imagine those poor people who got bombed twice.. If it were me, I'd swear it was fate and never go to work again...

Ya. That's the kind of BS that would happen to me. Then I'd get run over by an ambulance.

Whilst I agree with the sentiments supporting the English people, and Londoners in particular, I think the above comment is a bit unfair to the Spanish.

The Socialist Party, led by José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, had already publicly stated that if elected they would withdraw from Iraq. Opinion polls put them in front before the election. Majority opinion in Spain was against the war.

Of course, the SP gained a greater majority that they would otherwise have enjoyed, primarily due to the mishandling of the case by Aznar, and his lame attempts to blame ETA, but that's not the same as accusing the entire Spanish people of "running away."

If that's the case, I could accuse the Americans of running away from peasant "terrorists" in Vietnam.

I won't, because it's stupid and untrue. Draw your own conclusions and parallels.


Mr Mephisto

It's nice to talk about how quickly they responded, perhaps as a comparison to how NYC responded to the terrorist attack on 9/11, but there are two important things to note: 50 tops people dead in london vs several thousand in NYC... three trains and a bus vs 4 planes, two 100-story skyscrapers... I think it's more than fair to say the scale isn't quite the same at all.

...but the biggest note I'd make is just that England is just really used to terrorist attacks, and has been around for a VERY long time. London itself has been destroyed and rebuilt several times. The people have great determination and character because it's been forged over time, because they've had to.

PMSL. :lol:

Poor sod. :icare:

Statement from Ken Livingston, Mayor of London.

Well said Ken. Well said.


Mr Mephisto

I really think this was really really well said

http://www.werenotafraid.com/images/London.jpg

http://www.werenotafraid.com/

here's a nice gesture

http://gallery.wildfalcon.com/albums...10002/0068.jpg

http://gallery.wildfalcon.com/displa....php?&pos=-415

Finally heard from my mother in law who lives in Greenwich, and she's fine....

Aren't you guys interested in knowing the details of the whole ordeal? I specifically want to know what kind of explosives were used, and exactly where the blasts occured in the underground and some of the reasons as to why those locations where chosen.

But I reiterate, I want to know what kind of explosives were used. (anfo, rdx, c4.. etc)
And I want to know exactly what happened with the stocks or whatever- because I'm in complete ignorance of how that works.

The reason I say that by the way is to try and piece together what kind of organization al qaeda is when it comes to tactics, resourcefulness, etc. - I mean you know that's obviously not my job it's the people investigating the incidents, but it would be good to know.

I'm sure once they figure it out, that information will be made available to the public.

Keep an eye on DEBKAfile. They are presently saying that the explosives are from Serbia, but didn't say specifically what they were. They have also concluded, based on the timing and size of the explosions, that they were suicide bombers.

Isn't it about time we woke up and stopped building a safe haven for these extremists to develop and thrive ? Time to get serious. Execute Abu Hamza. Deport all radical "muslim clerics". Stop the building of immigrant ghettos: Integrate or Emigrate. We should not have people walking around with black sacks over their heads or other middle eastern dress, we should not have road signs in middle-eastern script.

Stop all this political correctness bollocks and get back to basics. If you're in, you're English. If you don't like that then fuck off home. They say do as the Romans do when in Rome. Well, When in England....

If we don't give them the facilities to hide behind it will make it harder for them. Sure it won't stop everything but it will help to wipe out blatant extremetism.

Sorry for the soap box rant but I was living in NY in 2001 and now I'm home I don't want to see it going to the dogs.

unfortunate for the innocent muslims that will likely be attacked and treated as animals in the same fashion americans treated and continue to treat muslims after 9/11. this is an event that will bring together those who wish to exterminate the 'enemy' and wreak racism and hatred rather than unity and justice as they like to call it. attack innocent countries, murder innocent people, expect retaliation, it's not shocking nor is it surprising. those who wish to exterminate islam are no different than those they condemn. it's awful what happened to the innocent lives lost and injured in these attacks, by innocent i mean those who don't support their corrupt govt. and the backing of the us in iraq. expect more attacks, expect more death, thank the coalition forces. denmark is likely next, would probably make a rather simple target.

Why stop at Muslims? Deport all radical people of any form. We can't have non-conformists upsetting the balance. Especially not those Muslims, with their black sacks and all. Living in their poor quality housing, they must secretly be living on high incomes and are able to afford something decent. I'm sure they're all secretly part of a terrorist group, heaven forbid someone from another country that wears strange clothing is an honest-hardworking individual, and proud of their adopted country. Oh, and make matyrs of the ringleaders that are caught. Not enough dead people who's ideals to follow in this world.

Before making broad, knee-jerk reactions, it's good to think about what you say.

yeah, i guess we should just let them continue to push us around..........


the point is, you can't let things like this stop us from saying "this is not acceptable and if you fuck with us you will pay." terrorists fucked with the US and now they have to pay with the on going war in their back yard. to let these people, or beasts rather, go without punishment for their actions is wrong and unjust to the people who died.

when the dust settles, they will want revenge..but against whom? saddams gone..the talibans gone....just woindering who the next target or scapegoat is.

now that al kayda has been broken up (assuming that it actually exists)..just wondering which country or group or fictional character is high on the hitlist.

arroe... to use the word 'unjust' and not think of the death of iraqi children would be a betrayal of the innocents that have died in iraq. justice belongs to both sides. but to wontonly go out looking for bloodthirsty revenge for the sake of quenching that thirst is in itself unjust.

one problem i do have though is that bombings in iraq and afghanistan seem to be a daily occurance and manage to make a small mention in the papers, even though 20, 30 or 40 odd..even 100 odd ppl could lose their lives. but i find one terrorist attack in a wstern country or directed at western tragets and the whole world tunes in. the question i ask is, are people immune to bombings in iraq? or is an iraqi civilians life worth less than that of an american or brit?

I without reservation disagree with the spirit and most of the words of this rant. Thank God views like yours didn't prevail in World War II.

what you seem to forget is that they are the ones who fucked with what you like to call "terrorists" and they are the ones who did the paying, not the other way around. and the US never went to war in the "terrorists" backyard, they went to war in the wrong backyard that had nothing to do with the "terrorists" that attacked on 9/11. i wouldn't call them the beasts, but i would call the coalition the beast for attacking an innocent country killing thousands...the true terrorists. and you're correct, to go without punishment for their actions is wrong and unjust to those that have died, that's why bush, blair and the rest of the war criminals and killers must be brought to justice and punished severely.

that's exactly what seems to be the case, sadly. clearly the iraqi life was of little value to begin with to many americans considering the support of the war, now that the occupation has been over there for several years, it seems to have become a 'norm' in peoples lives. the iraqi civilian life is certainly worth no less than any other life, and those who think otherwise are delusional racist scum. it is disgusting that when a western life is taken, the whole world is in shock and mourning, yet we have dozens of innocent iraqis dying basically on a daily basis, and we don’t see much shock or sadness over that. yet, if 1 american or brit gets beheaded, you will hear nothing else on the news for several weeks. it's simply a way of dehumanizing the so called "enemy" and making the westerners into saints. we had an attack that killed estimated 40 the other day, that seems to be the average in iraq, and i believe the number of dead in traffic accidents in my state alone daily. it's all fine and dandy to mourn the lives of those lost, but when some get more consideration then others, it's sickening.

yes, you're correct cynthetiq, i apologize. would it be possible to move it to the london politics thread?