Explosions In London
 

Several trains blown up in the eastern end of central London, and a bus blown up at Russel Square.

Some fatalities.

Not good. :|

Looks like terrorism to me, but no-body's come forward to admit anything yet.

Bastards.

Wonder if they'd have blown up the Paris Metro if the vote had gone the other way?

Heard about this as soon as it happened. Very tragic.

I too suspect terrorism via al queda or the IRA. the ira has been fairly inactive as of late, and it seems al-queda has greater motives [g8 disruption, olympic plans for london]

An article about the explosions.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe...ube/index.html

can not hold of any one I know down there . F**king bastards.

Likewise. I have 2 uncles and their families in london :|

both my uncles work in the financial district this is going on in =/

Watching on a live newsfeed, some points:

Three explosions, one on a double decker bus and two on the underground train network

Somehow the attacks are being linked to the Olympics announcement yesterday.

Germany's train networks are being monitored.

Bombs have been in packages, the one on the double decker was placed on the top tier at the back

The Army are mobilising on London!!

I'm anxiously awaiting details. An explosion on a tube train, during rush hour...

6 explosions on the tube and one on a bus up to 20 dead

I f-ing hate this BS! I'm soo sick of people doing this shit.The Olympics are about a comming together of counties, the very opposite of all this terrisom crap. NOTHING big has happened in London till they are set to have the olympics.... I'm not even close to london.... but can you imagine if they would have announced that NY was granted to Olympics.... Imagine this in our subway system... ugh!

AQ have claimed responsibility.

If you have people in london, the cell phone network is suffering from volume of calls. That and they've probably cut the traffic so that the emergency services can co-ordinate and also to prevent remote detonations.

It's all gone a bit Pete Tong at the mo. It was London's turn soon and we're used to dealing with bomb threats.

You're suggesting that there were people (now confirmed as suicide bombers) in 5 five different countries, ready to launch a co-ordinated attack on whoever was granted the 2012 olympics.

I got out of Liverpool st station at 8:45. I know cause I checked my watch to see if I had time to get a coffee on the way in to work.

Heard a bang and the alarms went off with the 'Do not enter' signs flashing.

Evidently the first one hit at 8:49 just outside liverpool st station.

It was a toss-up between Paris and London.

The Eurostar is an easy way to get across, and you can also catch a ferry in an afternoon.

The market was bouyant after the olympic news.
If you were a terrorist organisation that needed funds, and you planned to take advantage of the stock market with an attack, what major event announcement do you think you could use to plan your attack? I personally don't think it's coincidental, if I were a terr I'd do it.
I'd be checking the market logs for any odd movements of funds yesterday.

Also, it puts a security fear on anyone planning to invest, or visit in 2012. And that's a major bonus for anyone trying to incite terror.

What did you see, WillyPete?

Hmmm.

The market has really tumbled.
the FTSE has asked trading companies to turn off their automated trading systems that respond to market movements. They've been dumping stocks.

I'd call it a 2-4-1 for any terrorist organisation.

It is hard to imagine these days that in any given country AQ or some other terrorist org is prepared to pounce at any given time? Its only 5 countries....

Nothing really.
I heard a bang and thought it was one of the overground trains shunting into a carriage. The alarms went off and I chalked it up to another typical London underground event.

If you're watching CNN and see images from choppers above a tube station, I work right around the corner from it.

The choppers are overhead right now.

Bloomberg.com has a live feed.



The city was planning on investing about $30billion for the olympics. Do the math.

Glad you're ok WillyPete!!! I hope our other friends in the london area fared as well. :icare:

rather try with email - their work and their home address.
The mobile phones are quite poo at the mo. And they'll all probably calling immediate family to tell them they're ok.

The bombs went off at a time that most people would have been at work already.

8 - 8:30 is the big rush.

The bus blast.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4...00_245_obi.jpg

BBC news:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659093.stm

I think this is a pile of bullshit. These bastards timed this with the start of the G8 summit so as to cause as much damage and disruption to peace processes and peoples lives as possibles.

It could have been worse. London, unfortunatly enough, has had many terrorist hits before and knows how to deal with them. It doesn't excuse anything though.

I'm all in favour of closing ports and airports, breaking out the army and hunting down some people. :mad:

I still think it's about crippling london when there's a combination of factors.

Tony Blair was up in Scotland on a well publicised trip to G8.
The mayor was in singapore with the london bid.
Spotlight was on London re 2012 and UK re the g8.
Live8 recently would have lowered security with the sheer load of people moving through the city.
Market was hit badly enough to indicate someone with funds started a 'run' by knowing about the attack and coinciding the confusion with the knowledge that the trader systems will automatically dump stocks if enough movement happens. Couple that with the obvious communication shutdown of mobile phones and other data, would have cause massive panic on the exchange. Major financial damage to the UK.

Just got a hold of some of my friends. One is a home watching it on the telly and the other is stuck in Trafalgar Square not sure how he is going to get home to South London...

Still a few more people to contact.

This really sucks.

IS the truth ! was it a mistake or a cause of damage limitation, to cause max disruption. My brother was at work at 8.30 this morning in Kensington

I cant remember where exactly Strange Famous lives....and I cant get on aim here at work to see if he's on....does anyone know if he's in London?

Just heard on the news here, up to 50 dead? God..

AQ are a bunch of sickos who have no honour. they are not even human, and are invisible to God.

Strange lives in Norwich, which is about 100miles outside London.

thanks jwoody!!!

i just heard it was 45... it's rising fast. 2, 10, 12, 45 and you say 50? nooot good.
:confused:

Monstrous, sickening and cowardly, but not altogether surprising.
We all know the agenda here.
I only hope this will further strengthen world opinion regarding terrorism against the West.
Very sad. My condolences.

I think we are already quite resolved that terrorism is a bad thing and this it should be stopped... as usual we tend disagree on how to stop it.

yes, it was only a question of time when the enemy in this war will strike back.

My sister is in Edinburgh, Scotland right now ... I hope this is contained ... because the G8 is also a nice target as well :(

Logically, I'd say if they wanted maximum amount of casualties, they would have gone with Hyde Park on Saturday with the Live8 concert, that would have also given them (whomever them is) a helluva stage for whatever message they wanted to deliver.

The news keeps reporting that this was the height of rush hour, but I'd imagine that if this occurred earlier or later, the count of those killed and injured would be a lot higher. The objective of terrorism, I think, is not to kill as many people as possible, but to be as disruptive as possible and to cause as much fear and terror as possible.

I really don't understand this stuff. Those groups really HATE us. The depths of their hate boggles the mind. I hope they enjoy spending eternity in hell.

I heard this from a friend working in the city:

I think London and the people of London should be proud of their calm, steadfast and pragmatic response to real crisis, and for getting things working again so quickly after a coordinated attempt to disrupt.

Thankfully for them, they didnt have it near as bad as it could have been

zen_tom, that's pretty impressive.

There's a link here (which should be fairly reliable and unsensationalist) giving an account as to how the events have been reported so far today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659511.stm

my friend is in london, her professors hiked miles to get to their classes after the tube shut down.

go london

Go London indeed.

Its tremendously sad to hear that another of the worlds major cities got struck by a terror attack. Unfortunately, I have been around people (who are, on the most part, far from mentally stable) for long enough that there is no real point in trying to understand their logic for attacking others.

In relation to why they didnt strike Live8 - I think even terrorist fundamentalists would appreciate the work that Live8 was doing to help stop poverty. I'd like to think that all humans have some compassion and poverty is one of the things that draws out this in people.

It could help that Africa's got a lot of strongly Muslim countries I think.

I'll wait until I have more information to try to figure out the real political ramifications and motivations of this move - at the moment I'm just hoping that the fatalities and injuries are as minimal as possible. Really just awful to hear this first thing in the morning.

but why??? I mean besides our obvious answers. what can motivate such hatred?

My thoughts exactly. I'm glad I don't have any friends in London at the moment; were it fall I probably would.

The seemingly quick recovery from this incident just goes to show how wonderful London is, and more importantly, how great the British people are :thumbsup: It's unfortunate they had to be tested this way.

Please help: Can someone tell me where this address is in relation to the bombing...

16 Claremont House
47 Worcester Road
Sutton Surrey

I heard from him this morning - he's 16 miles away and he andhis family are all fine... :)

Thank God, Mal. And thank you. I think I'll ring his little froggy neck for scaring me.

I have a question...I was reading all the "reactions" around the world and came across this one as quoted on CNN

I honestly dont know a whole lot about this, but isnt this the same "IRA" that people were talking about earlier in one of the London threads that "might" have been responsible? or am I confused?

Yes it is. Sinn Fein is the "Political" wing of the organization.

and so this group who has been active according to the post I read...which I take to mean (correct me if Im wrong) that they have a beef with England in some fashion, and if Im not mistaken blow up things for their own cause, is condeming this attack?

I swear this is one reason I dont follow politics cause I simply CANT understand stuff like this

Simply put (and ths is someone who supports the cause but not necessarily t he methods) the IRA wants british rule out of Northern Ireland.

The IRA have been active in the fairly recent past, but the original organisation renounced violence and began decomissioning talks after the Good Friday Agreement of 98.

And they'll use any means to get it. For more background on the IRA, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisi...epublican_Army

There are a lot of reasons why the IRA does what they do, but suffice it to say they did not do this, and they have been relatively non-violent since the ceasefire in 1997.

Copy/pasted from my repeat post before it gets deleted:

Sorry if this is a repost but I didn't see any other threads. My mom called me at 6 in the morning to tell me about the news she saw of terrorist attacks in London. There were four explosions during rush hour on the Underground and the double-decker red busses. I spent a semester in London and virtually left my heart there. I no it's nothing new, but I just can't believe people have to brutally kill other people to get attention. I can't explain how sad I am right now, it really hit close to home.

thanks for clearing that up guys!!! I guess I got confused with somebody saying the IRA might be behind todays attack....I knew ya'll could straighten me out, thanks for the links to read!!

I think it is obvious why they did not attack live8 last week or Gleneagles, security was probably just too tight, it would have been that much harder. This is a terrible attack and I spent alot of the morning trying to call people I knew. it is really horrible :(

edit: the IRA most likely has nothing to do with this. They are a shell of their former self (almost completely disarmed) plus this isn't their style.

Tell me about it, the most confusing thing about the IRA, in light of the past few years, is that they were largely funded by US citizens.

random thought in my head

4 planes in 9/11 4 bombs in todays London attack...

back to your discussion

This possibility was discussed on NPR Morning Edition. The reasons that they said it wasn't the IRA were that:
* the IRA hasn't done a bomb attack in about 10 years
* the IRA attacks were always preceded by a coded message to authorities shortly before the attacks.
* the IRA attacks were generally held in the Financial district late Friday nights or early Saturday mornings, times when the civilian casualties would be slim to none.

(all from my memory, could be inaccurate)

Wow, the bus bombing was at a little square called Russel Square. I walked by that ever morning to ULU for class while studying.

London authority is now hunting for the bomber. I think that pretty much says that there wasn't any suicidical bombers otherwise, what's the point of looking for them if they're in pieces :D

You know, Egypt, Israel, Lebanon and some others also condemned todays attack. Aside from a couple of state-sponsors (Iran, Sryia), terrorists are a relatively small, select group of extremists.

Terrorists also fall into different categories:

1. political terrorism - employed as a mean to achieve a politcal goal such as independence, autonomy etc. PLO, IRA fall into this category. Typically, only employed until such goal is realized. The American Revolutionaries often used similar tactics against the British and their sympathizers. Use of asymetrical tactics (bombings etc) due to poor material resoures and underarmed against conventional nation-state basd armies. The idea is to use this method to force some sort of negotiation or deal.

2. catastrophic terrorism - the worst kind. Non-negotiable. Usually wants the complete and total destruction of their enemies as an objective. There is no negotiation. They will not stop until they are completely destroyed or their enemies are. Does not distinguish between civilian (innocent) and military or appropriate targets. Everything is fair game. Al-Q'aida falls into this category along with Hamas (sort of) although they have mellowed out a bit.

I can't remember the rest. I took an Anti-Terrorism course at UCLA last summer. It was very interesting to say the least (formal title: POL SCI 121A: US-Foreign Relations- Forming International Coalitions to Combat Terrorism).

Someone asked, how and why do "they" "hate" us so? It's rather complex - political, social, economic. Part of it's the extremist ideology that is indoctrinated among "vulnerable", suscestible people (i.e. - unemployed, idle, uneducated males 17-45). THere is a LARGE pool of this demographic that is especially vulnerable to this ideology. They have nothing to lose. Need someone to blame...classic. Charismatic leaders with the gift of gab can really rouse them into action.

This is not exhaustive, nor necessarily absolute. I just wanted to add to the discussion. I will stop here to keep the post short. I will add more later as I have pages and pages more to add.

I like to read DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism Security at times like these. They aren't always accurate, but they are unfiltered, and often give an interesting perspective:

Miscalculation, bitches. London survived the Blitz. England had her nose bloodied in two world wars. And while we fought on the same side, England went through hardships that we in the States can not fathom.

England is a tough old broad. You think a couple of little bombs are going to change anything in England? This isn't Spain. The English aren't going to run away. They're going to carry on exactly as they did before the bombings. Oh, and they are going to firmly, but politely kick your miserable, cowadly asses.

another thought...

8:46 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 11 impacts the north side of the North Tower
9:03 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 175 crashes into the south tower
9:43 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon
10:10 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 93, crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania

8:51 am An explosion occurs on an underground train traveling between Aldgate and Liverpool Street stations on the Circle Line.

8:56 An explosion hits an underground train traveling on the Piccadilly Line between King's Cross and Russell Square stations.

9:17 A third explosion occurs on a train approaching Edgware Road station. The explosion blows a hole in a wall, hitting a second train and possibly a third.

9:47 A No. 30 bus on Upper Woburn Place near Tavistock Square is destroyed by a fourth explosion. Pictures show the roof of the double-decker bus ripped off and witnesses report seeing body parts in the road, Reuters reports.

yeah I know....its not exact and I should stop comparing them...but for some reason I just cant

if you understood that I told Dave at the end of last week that I had a really bad feeling something bad on a "national" scale was fixing to happen (granted this was international instead) it might help you to understand my need at the moment to draw parrells..or just call me a kook and ignore me

That about sums it up...

Here's a pic of the blown-up bus I found earlier.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/09...decker_bus.jpg

My thoughts and prayers are with all you Londoners.

London Pride has been handed down to us.
London Pride is a flower that's free.
London Pride means our own dear town to us,
And our pride it for ever will be.
Woa, Liza,
See the coster barrows,
Vegetable marrows
And the fruit piled high.
Woa, Liza,
Little London sparrows,
Covent Garden Market where the costers cry.
Cockney feet
Mark the beat of history.
Every street
Pins a memory down.
Nothing ever can quite replace
The grace of London Town.

There's a little city flower every spring unfailing
Growing in the crevices by some London railing,
Though it has a Latin name, in town and country-side
We in England call it London Pride.

London Pride has been handed down to us.
London Pride is a flower that's free.
London Pride means our own dear town to us,
And our pride it for ever will be.
Hey, lady,
When the day is dawning
See the policeman yawning
On his lonely beat.
Gay lady,
Mayfair in the morning,
Hear your footsteps echo in the empty street.
Early rain
And the pavement's glistening.
All Park Lane
In a shimmering gown.
Nothing ever could break or harm
The charm of London Town.

In our city darkened now, street and square and crescent,
We can feel our living past in our shadowed present,
Ghosts beside our starlit Thames
Who lived and loved and died
Keep throughout the ages London Pride.

London Pride has been handed down to us.
London Pride is a flower that's free.
London Pride means our own dear town to us,
And our pride it for ever will be.
Grey city
Stubbornly implanted,
Taken so for granted
For a thousand years.
Stay, city,
Smokily enchanted,
Cradle of our memories and hopes and fears.
Every Blitz
Your resistance
Toughening,
From the Ritz
To the Anchor and Crown,
Nothing ever could override
The pride of London Town.
----------------------------------
Noel Coward

And in common with oter posters, I used to live just by Russel Square. Every day I walked past the bombsite. London is just as much MY city as it is anyones - and nobody has any right to bomb it.

It's crappy and grim in parts, and we might hate each other at times, but it's OURS and frankly, if anyone is going to trash the place it should be US.

I see some foreign news sites talking about how stunnning it is tat the Londoners picked themselves up, brushed the broken glass out of their hair, found their bags and walked through the crowds to get to work.

What else would you have us do? Nobody's helped by people standing round whining about how they'll be late home. People get on with stuff. It's how London works. It's why we had the largest and most peacefull empire the world ever saw. It's why people think Brits can't emote - "stiff upper lip".

People get on with life, and refuse to give up on normality.

The only way you'll get most Londoners to stop getting on is to nail them into a box.

And then put something heavy on the box.

And bury it.

Unless there's sport on the TV, then they all stay home and phone in sick. :p

And another thing.

What sort of shitty excuse for a terrorist organisation sets off a bomb just outside the headquarters of the best medical society in the world?

The headquarters of the BMA is on Tavistock Place, where the bus was bombed. There were several dozen of the most well respected and experienced medics on the planet 20 seconds away from the blast.

How badly can you fuck up a bomb on a bus?

That badly.

Sad day for london indeed, but when will they learn, this will change nothing, we in london have gone through this all before, it won't change anything, at least not for me, i will continue to ride the bus and underground. They can go and fuck themselves if they think this has achieved anything.

My prayers are for the families and people who were unlucky to be caught directly in this. To them i wish a speedy recovery in grief, shock and injury.

Peace be with you all.

I've heard some speculation that the bomb on the bus may have been an accident, in that one of the bombers may have been en route to hit another train and may have either been behing schedule and/or had a malfunction.

The bus was scheduled to pass outside King's Cross station about ten minutes after the one in the Tube tunnel. It was only detonated outside the BMA because the bus was re-routed following the first bomb to allow ambulances to get through to the Station.

here is an assumed map of the bombings

http://photos23.flickr.com/24311396_f7bae782a6.jpg

I remember hearing stuff like this about Sept 11 and the Bali Bombings. I don't see how detonating it outside the bomb outside the British Medical Association makes it a fuck-up at all. They detonated the bomb, didn't they? It happened so close to the building but I doubt that had much of an impact on the number of people saved or treated, as they were transfered to hospitals around the city anyway. It's hard not to take pot-shots at terrorist groups and it's hard not to mock them to strengthen our resolve and make ourselves feel better, but I don't see how that particular location of the detonation makes much of a difference to the strength or the ability of the terrorists who did this.

I read today that there was a 'controlled detonation' on a device/bag found on a bus in central Edinburgh, but I haven't seen or heard anything about it save for that single sentence. Has anyone heard mention of this?

Agreed!

If there's any country that as stubborn and strong as the US, it's the UK. All the crazy Brits, Scots and Irishmen are happy to pick up arms next to the crazy rednecks, thugs and punks to go wh00p some commie ass... I mean terrorist ass... the commies haven't been a problem in decades.

~X

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...mg/nav_629.gif

Heres a pic from BBC with times of the blasts.


Edit: We brits are used to terrorism, it's happened many many times before here. We'll stop our complaining, pick up our briefcases, help the wounded then bitch slap the people who did it.

I'd give you a giant fucking kiss on the cheek right now if I could.

WELL SAID!!! :thumbsup:

Today, my heart goes out to my brethren and sisters in the U.K and around the world that may have lost loved ones or had loved ones maimed.

There is no excuse for this nor is there reason beside someone wanting to cause great harm to innocents.

Today and tomorrow is a day for all to share the tears, the heartfelt sadnesses and the laughter from the memories of the lost loved ones.

After the mourning, we can come out with resolve and find ways to strike back and take out those responsible.

In the coming days, there will be much political grandstanding and sides accusing each other, but we cannot allow our focus to be taken off the cruelty and evilness of those truly responsible. We cannot fight ourselves and divide our houses anymore, the terrorists, the cowards, the evil feasts on that, relies on that and wants that.

It's like the Star Trek episode where the little lighty thing watched as the Federation and Klingons fought on the Enterprise, to where noone truly died they would get back up and fight more. The lighty thing fed on it until Kirk and the Klingon commander realized they had to make peace with each other and fight the true enemy.

Perhaps, that is a bad, or sophomoric analogy, but it is one desperately needed to help remind us who and what we truly want to strike back at....... not ourselves, not divide our house....... instead unite, find compromise and then show the only weakness we have is that of compassion for days like today.

Let us show the resolve of understanding the other side, let us be like the Kirk and the Klingons, and show these people that the more we are attacked the closer we become and the stronger our resolve becomes to find those responsible and bring them to justice......

Without division, without fear the terrorists can never win. With division, inner turmoil and bitterness in our house.... the terrorists feast and thrive.

Which do you choose?

WELL PUT! :thumbsup:

I felt bummed this whole morning when I found out about all this. Kings Cross was my station when I stayed in London last Summer.

I've never been to New York, or Madrid, so those never felt real to me, but London hurts a bit more, knowing that I've seen it, know that it is in fact a real place, where real people were killed because some nutcase decided that they should.

I sleep more soundly knowing that hell or torment or at least another sixty or so lives exist for the bastards who do these things.

OK, so I have to apologize before saying this because, the twisted part of my sense of humor finds it funny, and I know if it were me, I would be laughing...

Heard on the news tonite, that the bus that was bombed, actually had a bunch of passengers that were evacuated from the subway station that was bombed...

How much has that got to suc... you are on your way to work, and theres an explosion... you're a trooper and you carry on and hop on the bus so you can go to work, now the bus that you are on gets bombed.. Umm... Imagine those poor people who got bombed twice.. If it were me, I'd swear it was fate and never go to work again...

Ya. That's the kind of BS that would happen to me. Then I'd get run over by an ambulance.

Whilst I agree with the sentiments supporting the English people, and Londoners in particular, I think the above comment is a bit unfair to the Spanish.

The Socialist Party, led by José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, had already publicly stated that if elected they would withdraw from Iraq. Opinion polls put them in front before the election. Majority opinion in Spain was against the war.

Of course, the SP gained a greater majority that they would otherwise have enjoyed, primarily due to the mishandling of the case by Aznar, and his lame attempts to blame ETA, but that's not the same as accusing the entire Spanish people of "running away."

If that's the case, I could accuse the Americans of running away from peasant "terrorists" in Vietnam.

I won't, because it's stupid and untrue. Draw your own conclusions and parallels.


Mr Mephisto

It's nice to talk about how quickly they responded, perhaps as a comparison to how NYC responded to the terrorist attack on 9/11, but there are two important things to note: 50 tops people dead in london vs several thousand in NYC... three trains and a bus vs 4 planes, two 100-story skyscrapers... I think it's more than fair to say the scale isn't quite the same at all.

...but the biggest note I'd make is just that England is just really used to terrorist attacks, and has been around for a VERY long time. London itself has been destroyed and rebuilt several times. The people have great determination and character because it's been forged over time, because they've had to.

PMSL. :lol:

Poor sod. :icare:

Statement from Ken Livingston, Mayor of London.

Well said Ken. Well said.


Mr Mephisto

I really think this was really really well said

http://www.werenotafraid.com/images/London.jpg

http://www.werenotafraid.com/

here's a nice gesture

http://gallery.wildfalcon.com/albums...10002/0068.jpg

http://gallery.wildfalcon.com/displa....php?&pos=-415

Finally heard from my mother in law who lives in Greenwich, and she's fine....

Aren't you guys interested in knowing the details of the whole ordeal? I specifically want to know what kind of explosives were used, and exactly where the blasts occured in the underground and some of the reasons as to why those locations where chosen.

But I reiterate, I want to know what kind of explosives were used. (anfo, rdx, c4.. etc)
And I want to know exactly what happened with the stocks or whatever- because I'm in complete ignorance of how that works.

The reason I say that by the way is to try and piece together what kind of organization al qaeda is when it comes to tactics, resourcefulness, etc. - I mean you know that's obviously not my job it's the people investigating the incidents, but it would be good to know.

I'm sure once they figure it out, that information will be made available to the public.

Keep an eye on DEBKAfile. They are presently saying that the explosives are from Serbia, but didn't say specifically what they were. They have also concluded, based on the timing and size of the explosions, that they were suicide bombers.

Isn't it about time we woke up and stopped building a safe haven for these extremists to develop and thrive ? Time to get serious. Execute Abu Hamza. Deport all radical "muslim clerics". Stop the building of immigrant ghettos: Integrate or Emigrate. We should not have people walking around with black sacks over their heads or other middle eastern dress, we should not have road signs in middle-eastern script.

Stop all this political correctness bollocks and get back to basics. If you're in, you're English. If you don't like that then fuck off home. They say do as the Romans do when in Rome. Well, When in England....

If we don't give them the facilities to hide behind it will make it harder for them. Sure it won't stop everything but it will help to wipe out blatant extremetism.

Sorry for the soap box rant but I was living in NY in 2001 and now I'm home I don't want to see it going to the dogs.

unfortunate for the innocent muslims that will likely be attacked and treated as animals in the same fashion americans treated and continue to treat muslims after 9/11. this is an event that will bring together those who wish to exterminate the 'enemy' and wreak racism and hatred rather than unity and justice as they like to call it. attack innocent countries, murder innocent people, expect retaliation, it's not shocking nor is it surprising. those who wish to exterminate islam are no different than those they condemn. it's awful what happened to the innocent lives lost and injured in these attacks, by innocent i mean those who don't support their corrupt govt. and the backing of the us in iraq. expect more attacks, expect more death, thank the coalition forces. denmark is likely next, would probably make a rather simple target.