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killeena · 06-09-2005, 07:22 AM

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Man with bloody chainsaw let into U.S.
Last Updated Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:40:48 EDT
CBC News

Grisly details have been revealed about the slayings of an elderly couple in New Brunswick – at the same time that questions are being raised as to how their accused killer was able to get into the U.S. armed with a bloodstained chainsaw and various weapons.

Gregory Allen Despres, 22, is facing an extradition hearing in Boston so that he can be put on trial in New Brunswick. He has been charged with the murder of 74-year-old Fred Fulton and 70-year-old Veronica Decaire, who were killed April 23 at their home in Minto, 50 kilometres east of Fredricton.

According to documents filed in the U.S. Federal Court, which include a report from the RCMP on the homicides, an attacker gained entry to Fulton's home by cutting a screen door and kicking in a second door.
Gregory Despres (CP photo / WHDH-TV)

The investigators believe the person then went to a bedroom, where Decarie was stabbed several times.

The document suggests that Fulton got as far as his porch before the attacker dragged him back into the kitchen and cut off his head.

The RCMP report says Fulton's daughter made the horrific discovery three days later.

On April 25, a day before the bodies were discovered, Despres arrived at the U.S.-Canadian border at Calais, Maine, carrying a homemade sword, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chainsaw stained with what appeared to be blood.

Although U.S. customs agents confiscated the weapons and fingerprinted Despres, the border guards decided that he should be allowed to enter the country.

Bill Anthony, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, said Despres, who was born in Canada, could not be detained because he is a naturalized U.S. citizen and he was not wanted on any criminal charges as far as customs officials could tell.

"Being bizarre is not a reason to keep somebody out of this country or lock them up," said Anthony, adding Despres had not violated any regulations.

Anthony admitted it "sounds stupid" that a man wielding what appeared to be a bloody chainsaw could not be detained. But he said, "Our people don't have a crime lab up there. They can't look at a chainsaw and decide if it's blood or rust or red paint."

On the same day Despres crossed the border, he was due in court in Fredericton to be sentenced on charges he assaulted and threatened to kill Fulton's son-in-law last August.

After clearing the border, Despres hitchhiked to southern Massachusetts, where a state trooper saw him wandering along the side of a highway. He was arrested after a routine check for outstanding warrants revealed that he hadn't shown up for the sentencing hearing.

A federal judge in Boston will decide on July 21 whether to send Despres back to New Brunswick to stand trial.

Holy crap! I can't even imagine why he wasn't immediately detained. I don't know about anyone else, but if I saw some dude coming in with a bloodied up chainsaw and various other weapons, a few red flags may be raised. But of course, maybe that is just me.

Also, I am not exactly one to judge a book by it's cover, but this guy looks totally nuts!

Charlatan · 06-09-2005, 07:55 AM

I'd just like to know why a State Trooper could arrest him after

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a routine check for outstanding warrants revealed that he hadn't shown up for the sentencing hearing.

...and the Customs agent doesn't have access to the same information?

Seems to me, this would just the kind of thing they should be looking for... and that doesn't even begin to talk about someone walking across the border with weapons and a bloody chainsaw.

Cuatela · 06-09-2005, 08:01 AM

and yet they arrest people for downloading music....makes a lot of sense.

portereight · 06-09-2005, 08:10 AM

I suggest not mentioning this story to the customs agent that is giving you a hard time at the airport over a piece of suspicious fruit.

Glory's Sun · 06-09-2005, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

I'd just like to know why a State Trooper could arrest him after ...and the Customs agent doesn't have access to the same information?

Seems to me, this would just the kind of thing they should be looking for... and that doesn't even begin to talk about someone walking across the border with weapons and a bloody chainsaw.

I can understand why there wasn't a warrant check, it would take too much time for border patrol to check everyone. Ok, ok, so the guy with weapons should've been checked, that's a given; but the article did state that they weren't sure if it were just rust or red paint on the chainsaw. Who knows maybe the guy had other tools in the car or whatever he was driving and made it look semi-normal??

Glava · 06-09-2005, 09:25 AM

This guy is a naturalized United States citizen. He was let into his country of citizenship.

Redlemon · 06-09-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by killeena

Also, I am not exactly one to judge a book by it's cover, but this guy looks totally nuts!

Since you didn't drop the image in, allow me:

which made me wonder, isn't that Squiggy?

Coppertop · 06-09-2005, 09:59 AM

Squiggy carrying a homemade sword, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chainsaw stained with what appeared to be blood. Yikes.

Fourtyrulz · 06-09-2005, 10:20 AM

I would have shit myself while reading that story and seeing that guys picture yesterday in the newspaper, had I not been on the crapper.

Doesn't he just look like a guy who decapitated someone with a chainsaw?

uncle phil · 06-09-2005, 04:27 PM

/me shrugs and goes back to playing golf...

asudevil83 · 06-10-2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor226

and yet they arrest people for downloading music....makes a lot of sense.

so true so true........seems like we've got our priorities straight.

Hanabal · 06-11-2005, 02:04 AM

i would have thought that border protection would have been stronger, but they did technically follow procedure, I suppose given the red stain, they should have investigated further but hind sight is always pretty clear

MikeyChalupa · 06-11-2005, 08:16 AM

At least his rights weren't violated by the fascist border guards, or imagine the uproar we'd be hearing.

-Mikey

jorgelito · 06-11-2005, 11:15 AM

Sort of a pickle: It seems like they wanted to hold the guy but couldn't find a legal reason. On the other hand, I can't help but wonder, if the guy wasn't white, he'd be in Gitmo already. Seriously, if the guy had darker skin and his passport said Ahmed or Jose they would locked him up.

Glava · 06-12-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jorgelito

Sort of a pickle: It seems like they wanted to hold the guy but couldn't find a legal reason. On the other hand, I can't help but wonder, if the guy wasn't white, he'd be in Gitmo already. Seriously, if the guy had darker skin and his passport said Ahmed or Jose they would locked him up.

He's a US citizen. As much as you want to make this a case of racial oppression, it isn't. He would not be held in Guantanamo.

Astrocloud · 06-13-2005, 03:46 PM

I think he's probably a misfits fan. The haircut is called a devil-lock. They sing about murder and such:

Too much horror business
Driving late at night
Psycho '78
My bathroom is new

You, you don't go in the bathroom with me

Psycho '78
12 o'clock, don't be late
All this horror business
My mirrors are black

You don't go in the bathroom with me

With you
I'll put a knife right in you
I'm warning you
I'll put a knife right in you
I'm warning you
I'll put a knife right in you

Halx · 06-13-2005, 04:05 PM

This story has enough content for like 5 different discussions. It's almost as versatile as a swiss army knife.

warrrreagl · 06-14-2005, 08:31 AM

Ed Grimley, I must say.

jondotg · 06-14-2005, 10:21 AM

Well the reason the warrants hadn't shown up when the Border Guards checked him was because he was supposed to show up THAT day for the hearing.... That means the warrant wouldn't have been issued for some time afterwards.

06-09-2005, 08:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cuatela Insane Location: NC, USA	and yet they arrest people for downloading music....makes a lot of sense. __________________ Any sarcasm was intentional.

06-09-2005, 10:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
Fourtyrulz Psycho Location: io-where?	I would have shit myself while reading that story and seeing that guys picture yesterday in the newspaper, had I not been on the crapper. Doesn't he just look like a guy who decapitated someone with a chainsaw? __________________ the·o·ry - a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation. faith - Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. - Merriam-Webster's dictionary

06-09-2005, 04:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	/me shrugs and goes back to playing golf... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-11-2005, 02:04 AM	#12 (permalink)
Hanabal Insane Location: Auckland	i would have thought that border protection would have been stronger, but they did technically follow procedure, I suppose given the red stain, they should have investigated further but hind sight is always pretty clear __________________ I am Hanabal, Phear my elephants

06-13-2005, 04:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	This story has enough content for like 5 different discussions. It's almost as versatile as a swiss army knife. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

06-09-2005, 08:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
portereight Crazy	I suggest not mentioning this story to the customs agent that is giving you a hard time at the airport over a piece of suspicious fruit.

06-09-2005, 09:25 AM	#6 (permalink)
Glava Betitled	This guy is a naturalized United States citizen. He was let into his country of citizenship.

06-09-2005, 09:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
Coppertop Getting Medieval on your ass Location: 13th century Europe	Squiggy carrying a homemade sword, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chainsaw stained with what appeared to be blood. Yikes.

06-11-2005, 08:16 AM	#13 (permalink)
MikeyChalupa Squid Location: USS George Washington	At least his rights weren't violated by the fascist border guards, or imagine the uproar we'd be hearing. -Mikey

06-11-2005, 11:15 AM	#14 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	Sort of a pickle: It seems like they wanted to hold the guy but couldn't find a legal reason. On the other hand, I can't help but wonder, if the guy wasn't white, he'd be in Gitmo already. Seriously, if the guy had darker skin and his passport said Ahmed or Jose they would locked him up.

06-13-2005, 03:46 PM	#16 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	I think he's probably a misfits fan. The haircut is called a devil-lock. They sing about murder and such: Too much horror business Driving late at night Psycho '78 My bathroom is new You, you don't go in the bathroom with me Psycho '78 12 o'clock, don't be late All this horror business My mirrors are black You don't go in the bathroom with me With you I'll put a knife right in you I'm warning you I'll put a knife right in you I'm warning you I'll put a knife right in you

06-14-2005, 08:31 AM	#18 (permalink)
warrrreagl pinche vato Location: backwater, Third World, land of cotton	Ed Grimley, I must say. __________________ Living is easy with eyes closed.

06-14-2005, 10:21 AM	#19 (permalink)
jondotg Upright Location: TX	Well the reason the warrants hadn't shown up when the Border Guards checked him was because he was supposed to show up THAT day for the hearing.... That means the warrant wouldn't have been issued for some time afterwards.