ShaniFaye

Reuters Article

I about fell off the couch when I read this.....I had no idea he was ill.

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Coppertop

If the casket fits...

Yeah, I know. Shame on me.

liquidlight

Forget the shame, I'm just wondering what you're going to rhyme it with!! Don't leave me hanging here. . .

My shame should probably be that regardless of the people that cared about him my first thought was "One less lawyer . . . "

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BigBen

Using the Chewbacca defense:

My client is not dead, your honour. This is a picture of Chewbacca. That does not make sense.

I bet God is at the gates right now... "You don't get in until you tell me how you pulled that OJ thing off."

"Sorry God, but that is attorney/client privledge."

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sadistikdreams

LAME!
All these great folks leaving us...

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shakran

Ah. A bandwagoner. Everyone else picks on lawyers, why not join in?

Ya know, everyone loves to hate lawyers until they need one.

Nazggul

I think Lawyers are great! But then again, I needed one last year. Oh well.

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Glava

I really hope that his death won't turn into a re-hashing of the OJ Simpson case in the media and a flamewar on the other forums that I frequent ::cough::Fark::cough.

silent_jay

Wow, I had no clue he was even sick, well RIP Johnnie

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maleficent

He died at home from an inoperable brain tumor... I guess that's the best way to go, in an environment that makes you happy.

Gotta wonder if he had a DNR and a Living Will and if there was a fuss about it.

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Cynthetiq

it's never good when someone passes...

a much better way to go...at home, in familiar surroundings...

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SpikeQX99

That's a complete shocker.. Well, not much else to say, except just wow...

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spindles

then you get the bill, and starting hating all over again

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shakran

Which is also dumb. In my personal injury suit after I was in a wreck, I might have gotten maybe a grand out of the guy. My lawyer got me 10. Even after paying him 1/3 of that, I came out way on top.

jorgelito

Well then....don't hate the player, hate the game.

Oh snap!

Carno

Good. I hate lawyers and the greedy sons of bitches who use them to ruin other people's lives.

I have nothing but disgust for people who try to sue for as much money as they can.

flstf

You gotta give him credit for master minding the OJ defense, no way in hell did I think he would get off. Credit where credit is due, RIP.

Carno

I fail to see how getting a criminal off the hook is an admirable achievement.

shakran

Because he was doing his job. A defense attorney's job is to convince the jury that his client is innocent. He's not allowed to say "gee I think the guy is guilty so I think I'll just slack off on this case." Not only would that guarantee he wouldn't get many clients, it would also get him disbarred.

Too many people have blamed OJ's defense lawyers for OJ being found not guilty. The blame actually lies with the prosecutors. They had the greatest, most air tight case probably in history. They had evidence up the yin yang, a defendant who was obviously concocting bizarre alibis ("yeah, i was golfing in the middle of the night in my yard when they were killed. No I don't know how their blood got on my Bronco") and yet they still managed to lose.

First they kept the jury there for farking ever, going over and over testimony. It got to the point where it was obvious they were just having a great time being lawyers and they forgot about the fact that the first rule of a jury trial is to not get the jury to hate you. Well if someone keeps me locked up in a hot courtroom away from my home, family, and job for months on end, you can book it I'm not gonna be real happy with them.

Then they pulled the ultimate idiot move- having OJ try on the glove. You never. EVER. stage a demonstration in court unless you know 100% how it will turn out. Especially if the demonstration is allowed to be manipulated by the other side (they let OJ wear surgical gloves under the leather gloves to "protect his hands" and incidentally prevent the leather gloves from fitting.) They broke that cardinal rule, and they got burned bigtime for it.

So you can see that it's not Cochran's fault that OJ got off. hell Cochran frankly didn't have much to do with it. He just capitalized on the idiotic mistakes made by the prosecution. Frankly after the prosecution's pathetic showing, Cochran would have been a total fool if he COULDN'T have introduced reasonable doubt.

Ace_O_Spades

They're real... and they're SPECTACULAR!

RIP Johnny, you were fun to watch at least

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Carno

I still fail to see how that's an admirable achievement.

That's like saying the scientists who invented the atomic bomb were badasses because they created a way to kill thousands of people in one fell swoop. Hell, they were just doing their job! They should be praised like heros.

shakran

Well, let's see. The Constitution guarantees every citizen the right to a fair trial. It's pretty hard to get a fair trial if your own defense attorney is trying to get you convicted. Defense lawyers are not evil. They're making sure their clients get their constitutional rights. Surely you're not going to start arguing that the constitution should only be upheld if YOU think the individual is deserving of it.

#1 no it's not, #2 you're wrong about that too. They created a way to end world war 2 with a minimum of deaths for Americans. And frankly since WE were the ones attacked in that war, I don't have a problem with it.

Glory's Sun

let's hope you never get into a spot and need one of these "assholes" to get you out of it. You could just defend yourself and get torn apart in court; or you could use a lawyer and let him to the nitty gritty stuff behind the scenes that TV doesn't show. Lawyer's have their place and purpose. I don't see why they should be hated. Now if we just decided that the constitution wasn't lawful anymore then.. all the lawyers could just go to hell.


ok now about Cochran. I had no idea he was even sick. I did see something about him on tv last night but I was just flipping through so I didn't catch it. I figured it was an anniversary of the famous trial or something. I hope his family is coping and at least he was in a comfortable surrounding when he did pass.

braisler

I too am surprised by his death. I had no idea that he was ill, but I gather that is the way that he wanted it... out of the public eye.

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MSD

It's much more of an achievement when they save an innocent person who would have otherwise been prosecuted. You just never hear about those because it doesn't make for sensationalistic news.

Carno

First off, I never called lawyers assholes, so I don't know why you put that in quotations.

Second, I have no problem with lawyers who are ethical and actually try to do good. If I were being wrongfully sued for something, then yes I would definitely get a lawyer. But hiring a lawyer for defense is different than hiring a lawyer so you can squeeze every last penny out of someone who made a mistake.

People who see an opportunity to make an easy buck by stepping one someone else disgust me, and lawyers make it all possible. I believe if you are hit in a car wreck, you should only be compensated so that you are back to where you were before the accident. Ie, car repair bills, hospital bills, etc. None of this pain and suffering and mental anguish bullshit.

Lawyers don't give a shit about ethics or morals or anything as long as they get paid. Well fuck that. And if you want to sue the life out of anyone you can just to get some easy money, then fuck you too.

0energy0

OJ did it. The evidence is in his pigskin football.

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Stompy

Hahaha, I read somethin that quoted "He was a great christian"

Um, hahah yeah. Thou shalt not lie? Hm.

He helped a murderer get off scott free, for fuck's sake! Hahahaha.

Ahh the hypocrisy never ends

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Soggybagel

Look, I just had this huge discussion with a friend of mine over this exact topic and the bottom line is he was a guy who did his job well. In the current world we live in our legal system while filled with many loopholes is better than anything else out there right now. Carn, despite the fact that you say you dont' think all lawyers are assholes, you seem to think that unless they are doing something supremely good, they are in fact assholes anywas. "None of this pain and suffering mental anguish bullshit." Often this "bullshit" is true. Suppose a women gives birth to a child and the child dies due to negligent care from the hospital...that woman would probably have mental anguish bullshit.

Furthermore, if you wanted to delve deeper, lawyers are here for a reason. If the human race as a whole was perfect than we wouldn't need lawyers so I guess as a society as a whole we are morally bankrupt here. Even more so you do have a point though. That is the exact compromise that we must make as citizens of this country. That law and justice are delicate balancing acts here and that the legal system is inherently flawed in some cases makes a lawyer the "devils advocate of sorts." You even point out that if you "wrongfully sued" you'd get a lawyer...well on the other side of teh fence maybe the person who is trying to sue you felt they were wrongfully screwed out of justice or money etc.

And as far as saying the scientists who invented the atomic bomb were badasses, yes I would say that. They achieved something amazing within the context of science and whether you knew this or not, upon realizing what incredible destruction they have achieved with it, most were horrified.

Finally, OJ was aquitted by a jury of his own peers. Its as much the lawyers good job as it is those 12 people of californias fault.

slimpi66y

because americans don't know what's right or wrong anymore

Cowman

way to make a stupid blanket statement. im sure not all laywers are the same person.

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Coppertop

Well there goes that idea.

Stompy

Well, as for the OJ Simpson case, it has every right to be brought up because... that's what he's famous for, haha.

I'm just bringing it up because all these people are going around saying he was a great guy and contributed so much to society when... I'm sure he DID for some things, but his biggest achievement was a smokescreen intentionally set up to confuse and bewilder a jury in an attempt to obstruct justice amidst the flood of evidence that was presented. He was successful at bending the truth in such a way that made people question the most directly linked items when in reality, it had "guilty" written all over it.

The guy had good intentions in taking up lawsuits that involved police brutality, but in the case of OJ, I mean... he did everything he could to play the race card... god forbid the guy actually did it or anything.

I won't get into details, but all that aside, you all know what I'm talking about.

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lunchbox

yea all lawyers just want to get paid. Including those pro bono lawyers, they're the worst. Or the lawyers for the ACLU, they're greedy bastards too. D.A.'s are greedy mofos as well, they don't care if they convict the felons or not, so long as they get paid. Let us not forget the lawyers who fight in courts for both mine and your rights, they're greedy too. Forget fighting for a cause, they're all just greedy. They love spending 80 hours a week in shotty neighborhoods for free because its all about the bucks.

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Glory's Sun

you're right you didn't call them assholes.. but it seemed like it was intended. My bad.

You say that if you were wrongfully sued for something then you would hire a defense lawyer. What if you were accused of something criminally wrong that you didn't do? Would you still stick to your belief that defense lawyers aren't a good thing? I've been in enough court rooms to know that when you are on that stand you are already considered a criminal. Innocent until proven guilty is bullshit.

Anyways, Pain and suffereing and mental anguish is part of the law. If it weren't then the lawyers wouldn't be able to use it. It's that simple. Your gross over-generalization of lawyers
disturbs me. I think lawyer's do care, they do what they can for their clients (in most cases) if they can get extra money then they should. After all they are going against another lawyer who can just as easily make sure they don't get the money.

I agree that people are sue happy these days. However, until laws are changed or things become more difficult for the process to happen that's how it will be. If something happend to me and I took it to court.. yup I'd get whatever money I could get out of it. So .. I guess Fuck me too.

shakran

I'm sure glad we have you to tell us how to be ethical and moral.

Look. If I go to a lawyer and tell him "I'm suing this guy," I'm paying that lawyer to get the most money he can. I'm not paying him to get me $5 and a pat on the head.

Now, if I'm a lawyer and I want to get $5,000 for my client, I'm damn sure not gonna start at $5,000. I'm gonna start at $50,000, and then $5,000 doesnt' look so huge. Gives me room to negotiate down. And if some jury gets a case of the willies and actually awards me $50,000, I'm not gonna bitch because my client isn't paying me to reduce his settlement.



As for people who sue being greedy assholes, you've obviously never been in a wreck. I have, and I can tell you that pain and suffering is very legitimate. I was in a wreck (100% his fault) 14 years ago. It was only 2 years ago that I could start to ski and mountain bike again. Took 12 years for my back to get good enough to do those things, and I still have back pain every day. And I was lucky - I know of plenty of people that were permanently disabled in their wrecks. You're telling me that someone who's in pain for over a decade due to the negligence of someone else does not deserve compensation for that?

I think you need to climb down off your high horse and stop making blanket statements about lawyers and people who sue.

joeb1

If you want to bitch about lawyers. Please do some research on this guy. He actually did some good for his local community as well.

Everyone likes to complain about them till they are needed.

Sad really.

RIP Johnny....

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Carno

Well whatever. I had written out a long reply, but it's not worth it. Yall are going to think whatever you want, and I'm going to think whatever I want.

Grasshopper Green

I have no problems with most lawyers. My best friend is a lawyer and now a college instructor; while she practiced law she worked as a lawyer for legal immigrants to make sure they weren't getting jacked on rent, wages, etc....I wouldn't call that greedy. Sure, there are scumbag lawyers, but there are scumbags in every profession.

I didn't even know Cochran was sick; I hope it was a comfort for him to die at home with his family rather than at a hospital. I may not agree with his most famous client, but he was just doing his job. Rest in peace.

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