CSflim

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...io/4289915.stm

I have to say that I find this to be incredibly disturbing and disgusting behaviour on the part of 'Christian Voice'. I think that it is a shame that Maggie's Centres deemed it necessary to listen to such repulsive creatures. It certainly calls into question the motivations behind Christian Voice's work. It certainly doesn't appear to be motivated by a genuine concern for the ill.

I will add, that Jerry Springer: The Opera was one of the funniest shows I have seen in a long time. Very well made, with surprisingly high quality music and singing, and with great biting satire.

I would also like to make a point which is not entirely clear from the article. Maggie's Centres, the cancer chairity in question is not a religious society.

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vermin

Looks like another bunch of assholes who call themselves "christian" forgetting what being christian is all about.

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frogza

Agreed, it's these fanatical groups that give all who profess a belief in Christ a bad name.

Arc101

Hmm don't like this. While it is every organisations right to reject charity donations, I don't think it is right for Christian Voice to tell other organisations what to do and to make them reject money. I hope another cancer charity comes in and accepts the donation.

Rdr4evr

Exactly. I'm beginning to believe there isn't any American Christians that actually know what their religion is about in essence, but rather invent their own version of Christianity. They like to place a label on themselves while completely clueless of the message so they can blindly live their miserable lives believing they have acquired a ticket to "heaven" regardless of their actions in life simply because of the label. I don't know whether to laugh at them or cry for them...maybe both. It’s amusing, yet sad as well, a majority of “Christians” I come across tend to be either extremely angry or hateful. For example, today in class, there is this moron who has “a strong faith in Christ”, yet when the subject of war in Iraq arises, he immediately jumps on the "kill them all, let freedom reign" bandwagon, basically the flag waiving non-sense we tend to hear often in the media. Unlucky for him, everyone always jumps down his "Jesus loving" throat and proves him wrong each and every time, yet he fails to learn. I’ve met several Christians who practice their faith properly, but they’re few and far…

frogza

I'm glad you have seen a few who are of the decent sort.

What I have found, is that the people who are most Christlike are the least likely to attract attention to themselves. They are more concerned about others needs and value as human beings than their own popularity or comfort. So they aren't often found pushing some agenda. They just constantly and quietly lift others up.

The fanatics think of religion as some kind of exclusive club. They think that being a "member" makes them superior to those around them. They can't abide the thought that an "outsider" could do something good, because that would force them to see others as equals.

They make sure everyone knows about their "higher" worth and "higher" thoughts and values. They look for stricter and stricter rules, thinking that being able to profess observance of said rules will make them that much more important and righteous. They are like the people that Christ was talking about when he spoke of praying on the street corner to be seen of men.

Rdr4evr

You've hit it on the head, what you've stated can represent all monotheistic religions and their so-called practitioners to a key. Being agnostic, I personally don't believe in religion or necessarily think highly of people that do, but if one decides to practice ones faith properly without resorting to fanaticism and a blatant disregard of others in terms of culture, race, creed, etc., then more power to them. But unfortunately, in American culture anyway, it seems to be the minority who truly follow the teachings and practice them to the best of their abilities, which is beginning to severely change the image of Christianity completely. One can only hope for the blind to open their eyes and realize their false faith defies all that they supposedly believe in.

Lebell

How is the arrogance you decry any different from this statement?

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Rdr4evr

I'm missing what you're getting at. If you're implying that my statement is arrogant, I am failing to see the equation. I base my opinions on personal expereince and basic observation, and that is the conclusion I've arrived at.

Zephyr66

i think Lebell is referring to the fact that you think you know what it means to practice your faith properly, however i might be wrong. I personally didn't find anything arrogant in that statement, but i think i understand why Lebell did.

raeanna74

I understood Lebell's statement as referring to these Christians who are militant and intolerant while you still rejoice in others who "always jumps down his "Jesus loving" throat" for his beliefs and consequently you are just as intolerant.

I don't agree with the "kill them all" philosophy in no way. Nor do I agree with the Christian group holding a charity hostage because it might "tarnish" their "holy" image. I am a Christian (Protestant not Catholic) and I am finding more and more Christians who are doing things because of the shock value and the pride they can feel in their "Sacrifice". Hubby went through a time of healing after a serious injury and those who were in it for the show only stuck around while he was visible injured. The emotional process of healing hadn't even begun before they disappeared. It was then that we could see the REAL christians. I'm so tired of these people who call themselve religious in any way but are only concerned with their image.

Edit: For clarity.

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martinguerre

tragic all around. one instance of short sighted bigotry is inspiring further division here.

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mojodragon

Yeah, I'm sure cancer patients hate getting money for cancer research from *gasp* heathen shows.

whocarz

It's good to see certain people jumping to conclusions and making sweeping generalizations right away. First of all, these aren't American christians. This happened in the UK.

I LOVE this kind of shit man. You preach about how people shouldn't make generalizations, blah blah blah, then post this. Riiight. The word I'm thinking of begins with h and ends in ypocricy. You talk about how they are so full of hate, then you spew vitrol about them.

I'm atheist, I don't believe in any of that stuff, but if they want to, whatever. If they think that what they are doing is "good" or "holy", that's fine. As long as they aren't breaking any laws, I couldn't give a shit.

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Rdr4evr

First, I never said I hated anyone, I just said I feel sorry for them. Second, I never said anything about generalizations either, so where you pulled that from is beyond me. Third, I said that is my view from personal experience and simple observation. Believe what you want though, I’d rather avoid arguing about it.

filtherton

How can a raiders fan feel sorry for the faith of a christian?

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Rdr4evr

bahahahahahah....that's the spirit.

drakers

Christianity is religion of helping people who can't help themselves. Maybe I'm wrong after reading the article above. What the hell? Denying money to cancer patients or testing because the people or organization don't have christian values. What if they had muslim values. Would they protest also. Give me a break. Grow up and act like a Christian.

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tspikes51

Why??? Why are so many Christians obsessed with morality??? If you think about it, it should really be down the list of concerns. If we weren't so concerned with drinking, drugs, and sex, we would be able to concentrate more on the "greatest" commandments (love God and your neighbor). Love has nothing to do with morals. We just get so caught up in what we and other people are doing wrong that we don't leave room for love.

I was just thinking about this last night (and by the way, this will make a lot more sense if you assume or pretend that Jesus is the savior, and--while I hate to put it this way--God is real). The Bible was written by people who actually saw and heard God or Jesus. It would have been a lot easier to adhere to a certain moral code if they actually saw and heard God, and in turn it would be easier to preach strict morals. We don't have that same experience, so it is a lot harder to live by that code.

To explain this concept; imagine that you are driving down the road. You would be much less likely to speed if you see a cop or two on the way than if there weren't any.

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chickentribs

It's a shame that one person decided to pull what was no more than a publicity stunt for exposure for himself and Christian Voice at the expense of the cancer center. It is a cheap way for him to get on TV and feel important, I guess...

I don't know that it warrants all the shots taken at Christianity in this thread, though. Remember that we tend to only get the nutjobs through the media, there are a lot of intelligent people who take thier faith seriously and personally. I don't see the point in allowing this guy to define squat for the people who are true to the ideals of the church?

As somebody who isn't religous, I couldn't imagine ever feeling entitled to make a statement regarding how "properly" or not anybody was practicing thier own beliefs. I believe that would make you an Agnostic Fundamentalist, which is still a fundamentalist.

Somebody asked about Jerry Springer's politics - He was mayor of Cincinnati back in the late 70's until being run out of town because of a scandal involving a prostitute and a check with his signature on it. He is currently ramping up a gubernatorial run for the state of Ohio on the Democratic ticket next year! Should be interesting... I do laugh whenever Bill O'Reiley starts ranting about celebrities and politics - why would his interviewing celebs for Hard Copy for years make O'Reiley more qualified than the actual celebs to be politically involved? Biggest Hypocrite Ever.

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Strange Famous

Stephen Green is insane, I hope his 20 minutes is up soon.

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flamingdog

For background: Last month they attempted to browbeat the BBC into not screening Jerry Springer: The Opera because of its 'blasphemous' content. We have an archaic statute on our books that apparently makes blasphemy actionable under law. They argue that as a 'Christian' country, we should venerate their religion over all others, and censor ourselves accordingly.

They even published the private phone numbers and addresses of high-ranking BBC executives, and encouraged their followers to make their protests a little more personal. Naturally, this led to threats of violence and harm from which Christian Voice's leader shortly afterwards distanced himself.

Their argument is barely coherent. I bet they'd be the first to complain about Islamic theocracies and their intolerance of Christianity, which sees missionaries imprisoned and pubic worship outlawed, but from what I can see, Christian totalitarianism is precisely what they advocate.

It's scary that such ignorance can carry this kind of power...

Val_1

Here here. I notice the same thing. Sometimes it seems that Christians are the least "Christian" people there are.

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