02-22-2005, 07:54 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
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People don't know how to be courteous to each other any more... so technology is going to help in some capacity. I've posted several threads about this in the past, but this article is most interesting since it shows business who are using it for different means, some to stop cheating or others to force options. Personally I think we'll find more people who follow others to zap their convos as we did when laser pointers were the rage at all lectures, concerts, etc.
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02-22-2005, 08:04 AM | #2 (permalink) | |
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But other places... If people could talk in reasonable volumes, I wouldn't have a problem with it so much, or at least didn't have so many inane conversations. Amtrak, on their NY to DC Metroliner, has a quiet car, where no cell phones, no loud conversations, no loud beepy toys are allowed... This is their most popular car, and if per chance your phone does ring while in this car, the car residents aren't above hanging you by your toes outside the train as the train travels along at 120 mph. It's a good thing. We seem to have gotten way too "It's all about me,and screw everyone else" and this zapper does nothing to change that mentality.
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02-22-2005, 08:12 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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I'm all in favor of jammers being used in places like restaurants and theaters, but I am 100% opposed to them being used in public situations, like a bus, a subway, or on the street.
I agree that people are often rude and obnoxious on their cellphones. But people were rude and obnoxious long before cellphones. Using a jammer is the equivalent of going up to somebody and putting tape over their mouths. The other problem with a jammer is that one can be completely anonymous, so people will use it not only to shut people up, but also just as a random prank, like the laser pointer you mentioned, to see how many people they can mess with. This can cause great problems - what if it's an emergency situation? It would take a pretty courageous person to go up to somebody on their cellphone and ask them to please lower their voice. This solution is for cowards. Personally, I think places like restaurants and theaters should have a policy listed on their front door, explaining that they use jammers, and patrons are free to leave their cellphones with the maitre'd/staff if they absolutely need to be contacted during their stay. That doesn't bother me. But using them on the streets is unacceptable to me.
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02-22-2005, 08:14 AM | #5 (permalink) | |
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02-22-2005, 08:33 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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idiots one and all. the makers of this should be made to pay millions upon millions and recall every one of the damn things fining them thousands a day until they recover all of them.
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02-22-2005, 09:42 AM | #7 (permalink) | |
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Does these jammers have any effect on an airplaine? navigation, communication? even if they don't it woulnd't take a genious to change them into doing just that.
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02-22-2005, 10:04 AM | #8 (permalink) |
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I would be that asshole that would jam any phone call I could, I would have a damn good time doing it too. Cell phones are evil.
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02-22-2005, 10:45 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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How pathetic must someone's existance be if they are so upset by someone on a cell phone or need to find pleasure by interrupting someone else's private life? People like this need to get the hell over themselves. It disgusts me.
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02-22-2005, 12:47 PM | #10 (permalink) | |
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I do like the use in theaters and restaurants, but I have issues with the way some of the people were using them. I'm with kutulu on this:
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02-22-2005, 02:16 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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I've long been a proponent of 'cell-free' zones such as theaters, restaurants and the like.
I was in the library the other day (I volunteer there) and had to ask someone to leave because she was talking on her cell-phone. She was getting book recomendations. It would have been nice if the owners of such establishments had taken the initiative and instituted it on their own. However, due to their inaction, other methods have been explored and they've placed the 'responsibility' into the hands of the juvenile. Responsible use of these would be nice, but I ain't holding my breath.
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02-22-2005, 03:10 PM | #12 (permalink) | |
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02-23-2005, 10:41 AM | #14 (permalink) |
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I'm of the opinion cell phones should be used in emergencies only. Why can't people just talk on regular phones or *gasp* talk to the person in person. And do you really need to be able to contact a person 24/7. I really don't like this cell phone culture and would gladly jam peoples phones and laugh while doing it. I would mostly like to do it to people talking on there phone while driving.
"How pathetic must someone's existance be if they are so upset by someone on a cell phone or need to find pleasure by interrupting someone else's private life? People like this need to get the hell over themselves. It disgusts me." You're getting pretty upset over something so dumb. It's not like this is going to become a huge problem and you're not going to ever be able to talk to someone on a cell phone because of these. Although that is my dream.
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02-23-2005, 10:42 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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It seems worse because you only hear half the conversation. Plus, people will generally speak louder into a cell phone than to a person next to them because they have to to be heard clearly over the line. As much as I dislike cell phones, these jammer things are the wrong way to 'police' those that are not courteous.
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02-23-2005, 08:51 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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Cell phone ear pieces have made it virtually impossible for me to tell the difference from your run-o'-the-mill crazy person and someone on a cell phone.
In most cases, people talking on cell phones don't bother me, but every now and then I see something that irks me, though it doesn't affect me. We went out for pizza the other day and this woman was sitting by herself talking on a cell phone. She was eating her garlic bread, talking on the phone, and giving the "wait a minute" finger to the waitress who was waiting to take her order. I was thinking that it was rude and unsightly to watch this woman talking and eating at the same time while ignoring the obviously very busy server, but then it occurred to me that this woman would be rude and inconsiderate regardless of whether she had a cell phone or not. The cell phone just made it more obvious to everyone around her.
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02-23-2005, 09:05 PM | #17 (permalink) | |
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These idiots can have fun zapping calls like assholes, and some day there's going to be a headline about some woman being raped an murdered because her cell phone was jammed by a prankster out on the street following a guy and zapping his phone. |
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02-23-2005, 09:06 PM | #18 (permalink) |
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Hey, if we have to put up with cell phones then we have to put up with cell phone jammers. Sounds fair to me.
Regarding the laser pointer fad, when's the last time someone used one? Like all fads, it will sort itself out. I'm all for it in schools, hospitals, churches, theaters etc. Hey on the plus side, it could potentially jam a signal intended to detonate an IED. I think that is why the Isreali army developed the cell phone jammer in the first place. |
02-23-2005, 10:02 PM | #19 (permalink) |
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I think in response to cell phone jamming i will now speak really loudly into my phone whenever i make a call in a public place. Why not, if random jerks are going to create effectively random swaths of cell phone dead zone? If i'm going to be punished for the rude cell phone use of someone else, than i might as well get some rude cell phone use myself. You know, i mean, fuck everyone but me. Sometimes i like to put boots on random cars whose colors i find disfavorable. Fuck 'em, they annoyed my sense of aesthetics.
I'd sooner confront a loud cell phone user than stoop to passive aggression where it is clearly not necessary. In fact, i'd recommend that anyone save their money for a spine. |
02-24-2005, 07:26 AM | #20 (permalink) | |
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02-24-2005, 07:30 AM | #21 (permalink) | |
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thats from two days ago.
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02-24-2005, 08:56 AM | #22 (permalink) | |
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02-24-2005, 09:12 AM | #23 (permalink) | |
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02-24-2005, 09:19 AM | #24 (permalink) | |
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It's not like everyone is going to go out and buy one of these, I believe the article said they were fairly expensive, I know I'm not rushing to go out and buy one, and as I've stated I would have fun with one. Remember there was a time before cell phones and we got by without them just fine.
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02-24-2005, 09:53 AM | #25 (permalink) | |
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02-24-2005, 10:03 AM | #26 (permalink) | |
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Mobile phones are here to stay. They make life easier and more enjoyable for people. I'm sure as hell not going to curtail my use just because someone is bothered by me talking on the phone. |
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02-24-2005, 10:22 AM | #27 (permalink) |
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I went to a movie last week, only three or four groups of people at the movie, during the previews, a laser pointer made it's way out, at first I just mentioned how annoying it was to my girlfriend. Then as the opening credits started rolling and it shot across the screen I lost it, got up, turned around and yelled "if I see that goddamn thing one more time, I'll make this movie horrible for each and every damn one of you!" Never saw the pointer until the closing credits... The only other time I've lost it in a theater was when a girl kept whipping out her phone and txt msging during the movie, damn blue light in the corner of my eye!
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02-24-2005, 10:35 AM | #28 (permalink) |
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I'm all about getting rid of computers and cars as well, we just gotta do some preperation because we rely way too heavily on them right now. Yes I know I'm using a computer right now.
Oh and I also find the IED thing laughable, but I also find the rape story laughable as well which is why I said it. I'll tell you what, you guys can be the first to say I told you so when you see a headline in the papers about such a situation happening.
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02-24-2005, 10:41 AM | #30 (permalink) |
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I'm sure you weren't even alive before cars, and my guess is you were probably at least extremely young before computers, though correct me if I'm wrong, but how can you claim how good life was in those times if you weren't even alive. Oh did you read about it so you know?
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02-24-2005, 11:11 AM | #32 (permalink) |
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How's this for a temporary solution? Have emergency-number calls use a) a different frequency from those that can be normally jammed with this gizmo or b) modulate those call signals in such a way that they slide past the jamming? Your smartphone would recognise emergency numbers and use the reserved frequency/modulation protocols for them and no other calls.
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02-24-2005, 11:34 AM | #33 (permalink) |
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This is nuts. Technology is all great but every new thing begets more problems with more solutions that themselves cause problems. Who could have told us it would have gotten this bad back when they had those huge cell phones that you couldn't hold for more than 5 minutes before your hand got tired.
After reading this I'm proud to say that I've never owned a cell phone and have only considered buying a prepaid one for emergency purposes ONLY.
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02-24-2005, 11:53 AM | #35 (permalink) |
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Just when Kutulu was conversing: "Ya and there was a time when we got by without computers. Before that, there was a time we got by withou" *CLICK!* *BLOOP!*
Mutter...mumble... redial...*BEEP!* "Hello? As I was saying, Mobile phones are here to stay. They make life easier and more enjoyable for people. I'm sure as hell not going to curtai" *CLICK!!* *BLOOP!* GODDAMNIT! Heh. Not to make you into a target of scorn, kutulu, your post just reminded me of one of those loud conversations. Don't think I could ever bring myself to go vigilante outside my own home or business. Anyone else want to join a dead pool for time until we hear about FCC crackdowns? The big cell providers can't appreciate the resulting support calls. Last edited by cyrnel; 02-24-2005 at 11:56 AM.. |
02-24-2005, 02:17 PM | #36 (permalink) |
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Cell phones are only annoying to me in a theater. Any time someone whips one out in a movie everyone else think that gives them the right to take theirs out as well. The second i see someone on their phone i let out a quick "shut up" or "turn off the damn phone" or int eh case of two-ways where its more like a walketalkie a "*shhht* Turn off the phone! Over. *shhHht*"
Anywhere else i don't see a problem. As mentioned above i think people are just angry because they only get to hear half the conversation. To those people i can only say "mind your own damn business and stop eavesdropping." Seriously, what's so bad about hearing someone chatting on a phone on a bus/train ride? If someone was talking to someone sitting next to them would it upset you as much? Personally i think if listening to people talk upsets you so much, then PUBLIC transportation is not for you. I would like a serious answer. What's so bad about these things, except for in a theater? Is it jealousy that this person has an apparent social life and you don't? Feeling like no one wants to talk to you? A feeling of unimportance? How dos this make your restaraunt going experience worse? The restaraunt is full of people talking all around you yet you feel the need to single out the one person who is talking but doing so into a device? I'm with Kutulu 100% Edit: By "you" i mean anyone reading this to whom it applies. Not any one previous poster.
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02-24-2005, 05:23 PM | #37 (permalink) |
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Sounds like it is just a matter of time before a large percentage of the population in high density areas have these things since prices will most likely fall as demand picks up. Now if they could design a zapper to change the volume level on boom boxes.
Portable Cellular Jammer Looks just like your mobile phone, allows you to carry it anywhere without others aware: in class, in seminar, in shop, place of worship, library, on train or bus during trip, etc. Last edited by flstf; 02-24-2005 at 05:37 PM.. |
02-25-2005, 01:23 AM | #39 (permalink) |
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Er...um..guys? I think the IED thing was taken out of context. I was trying to show that there was a function for these devices outside of pranksters and cell-phone ragers. I think most are made in Taiwan and Israel. The primary market was Israel Defense Forces in jamming IEDs and the secondary market opened up recently.
I think so far, it's mostly hospitals, churches, restaurants and theaters for obvious reasons because there is a demand for cell phone free zone. As for why people find them annoying? Well, I think it's mostly the "overly loud" and inconsiderate users. I.e. - talking on your phone in line and holding up the line cause you put your "talk to the hand" up at the cashier person (it's just rude). People tend to talk louder on a cell ohone than in conversation for a technical reason: They cannot hear themselves throught the earpiece. In land phones, a second signal or echo is bounced back throught the earpiece giving it a more natural sound. Not so in cell phones (something to do with signal or bandwith or something) People talking inconspiciously or "not loudly" are not derided or noticed for that matter. I don't care if it's a cell phone: shouting in a check out line, hospital, theater etc is just plain rude whether you're on a cell phone or not. The extra reason why people are annoyed with cell phones is the rudeness accompanying it. Unless you're a doctor or whatever, please turn off your phone when we are having a conversation together. Same in school. Why must you talk (on phone or to your neighbor) while the teacher is talking? The worst is when I went to visit my G'ma in the hospital. She was hooked up to a lot of machines and stuff. Outside the room was a big sign, "No cell phone use" and an explanation why (it interferes with the equipment). well, I heard some guy yelling in the hallway and when I poked my head out there, I saw this guy yelling into his cellphone, right under the sign (WTF!)! So I said, "Hey" and pointed at the sign and he glared at me and gave me the finger. I rang for the nurse and was about to tell her that a man was found dead in the hallway but some doctor yelled at him and the dude took off. But that's messed up and also why people dislike some cell phone users. Oh, the good news, my grandma made a speedy recovery and is fine. |
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For one, any businessperson that has family and travels, let alone one that has children. Hotel phone rates are ridiculous, and while there is no monetary value one could put on being able to tell his children goodnight, if there's a more practical and cheaper way to do it, why not? Or take the time I ended up piss drunk across campus wandering around...dumb decision, but thankfully bumped into someone that had a friend of mine's number so he could come and pick my dumb ass up and keep me from getting a PI. The ability to call a taxi while intoxicated rather than driving home one's self....I could list more. There are plenty of intangible and safety issues that cell phones provide a cheap, reasonable solution to--and I don't think they're going away anytime soon...
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