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Carno · 12-28-2004, 06:57 PM

Have fun riding a train everywhere.

You're rights are not being violated in the least. You don't HAVE to fly. It's not like the TSA is going around the nation patting people down. They are patting people down who choose to fly. Don't want to get patted down, don't fly on a commercial airliner.

Xell101 · 12-28-2004, 08:25 PM

On general principle I agree with Smooth. I don't have enough information to think my way to conclusion but I do feel that these policies are, for the time being, necessitated. They cause a reduction in viability of dastardly plane plans, which counteracts the appeal to crazies that planes may have gained. It is however un-good in that creates an increased level of social acceptance of policies along the lines of these.

As a side note, those who are sufficiently competent as to warrant concern will take a mile if given an inch, and they'll do it in such a manner that usually you won't see it coming. A level of paranoia is good for keeping things like that from happening.

scout · 12-29-2004, 03:29 AM

Amazing! People bitch about being a little inconvenienced before boarding a plane but not a word is mentioned about other things that have intruded on our rights. No one seems to care that the government can accuse you of being a drug dealer and confiscate your property, just don't touch my boobies at the airport. You think you own your home? Don't pay taxes on it for a year or two and see who really owns your home, but let's bitch about my boobies being touched in a non-sexual way. Think of all the personal rights you have lost thanks to the Patriot Act and there's no huge public outcry as long as we don't get frisked boarding a plane. A search warrant isn't needed anymore to search your vehicle thanks to the failed war on drugs, but we ain't touchin' boobies and balls in the airport screening line anymore so who cares. Police checkpoints are legal in just about every state to "prevent drunk driving" and where's the public outcry? If you happen to be accused of something your innocent of but in the course of you being arrested you accidently or intentionally kill a police dog you will be charged with murder just as if that dog was human. WTF? That's just to name a few of the intrusions we face daily, however, the list goes on and on. Folks there is far more serious intrusions into your personal life and space than getting frisked in line at the airport. If this was one step in the journey to return this country to the way it was intended then it would be something to celebrate.

StephenSa · 12-29-2004, 12:05 PM

Personally, I don't mind the security measures per se. The lines are a bit long and it can be a bother but not enough for me to cause a ruckus. Now if suddenly I'm subject to anal probing then we have a problem. Fondling my nuts looking for C-4 is one thing but anal intrusion is where I draw the line! Anyhoo, even with the new security measures I don't feel safer. I also don't feel endangered. I just don't worry about it. I didn't before and I don't now. I do believe the aura of fear many Americans live under now is silly. If something is going to happen, it'll happen but odds are it won't so go about your business and don't throw your rights and civil liberties away for the illusion of safety.

denim · 12-29-2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scout

That's just to name a few of the intrusions we face daily, however, the list goes on and on. Folks there is far more serious intrusions into your personal life and space than getting frisked in line at the airport. If this was one step in the journey to return this country to the way it was intended then it would be something to celebrate.

We have problems with those things too, but they're off-topic at the moment.

Stiltzkin · 12-29-2004, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by smooth

I don't think any citizens should be 'patting' anyone.

How about this mooseman: if you don't like my right not to be touched by strangers, how about you not flying?

I haven't flown yet since all this dumb shit got implemented. And I plan on raising ruckus when I do have to fly. I'm glad enough people complained to drum sense into the implementation of these measures. Hopefully people will continue to complain loudly until we can walk onto public transportation without being accosted.

And if my attitude results in me being blown to bits, at least I will have lived all the other days of my life without being manhandled by representatives of the state.

Whatever happened to the greatest good for the greatest number of people? It is impossible to satisfy everyone, anyway. I've only flown once, post 9/11, and I wasn't even searched. I just went through the metal detector. The rest of my traveling has been via bus. Much more entertaining.

water_boy1999 · 12-29-2004, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by smooth

I offered a solution: Don't pat down law-abiding citizens.

We've been doing it so far our entire nation's history. If you feel so unsafe that you want to trade our hard-won liberties for some false sense of security, perhaps you should rethink your commitment to a free society.

I will cause a ruckus...and then what? Are you threatening me?
"Don't resist official intrusion into your personal life despite perfectly acceptable and law-abiding behavior."
That is a very weird attitude to be coming from a fellow "American."

Our nation's founders and its history are on my side of this issue. Evidently, someone is going to have to push this into the courts to see if they still are also on the right side of this issue.

Look, we could eliminate terrorism and even criminal behavior if we spied on everyone's activities and did random pat-downs throughout our cities. I prefer to live with crime and deviance if it means I can walk down the street without fear of being harassed by government officials or even private citizens (as if they somehow can't violate personal civil liberties, too).

I won't fly because it my civil liberties do mean that much to me. I can't even fathom how a statement could come out of someone who really believes in the ideals of this country.

It's really that simple.

That's just it. Our liberties were won by our forefathers over 200 years ago. They didn't even have planes or Al Queda or suicide bombings or C-4 in the bottom of someone's shoes. Our nations founders did build the foundation for a great country but sorry, the "right issue" is that that was then, this is now. For someone to not recognize that change is a necessity of our Nation's growth seems a bit naive. Because of the threat that seems obvious to our country, we need to change how things have been done in the past to secure our future. I am sorry if you don't see that the U.S. will not suddenly become terrorist resistent, but it won't. Personally, I don't mind if a small percentage of my civil liberties have to be sacrificed so I may continue to enjoy the rest of the free life I live.

Am I threatening you? Calm down. If you cause a ruckus in an airport I think it is obvious what will happen. See how much of your civil liberties you still have when you are being escorted out of the airport by security.

And why be condescending? What is so un-American about wanting a safe future for myself and my family? I realize that the ONLY way for this to happen is if we continue to re-invent ways of combating those that want to undermine our freedoms. I am willing to have a pat down and a few extra measures put in place. This is reality.

It's really that simple.

NewBonk · 12-30-2004, 02:05 PM

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So now, if a woman were so inclined, she could carry sharp objects or other weapons between her breasts, and they would never be found. While I'm not a fan of most of the "security" measures taken post 9/11, the fact is most of those planes were hijacked with pens and box cutters - items that can easily go between a pair of boobs. So when the metal detector goes off, and then they swipe the thing in front of you chest and it beeps... "It's my underwire."

The box cutters were effective weapons only because the passengers on the hijacked planes were working under the assumption that the plane would land somewhere and negotiations would begin. Nobody, with good reason, thought the planes themselves would be the weapon used to attack the United States.

If a group of people were to hijack a plane today with box cutters and pens, the hijackers would not live to see the plane land. Everyone is aware now that the usual 'rules' do not apply - sitting and waiting for the best isn't an option.

Keeping fingernail clippers and pen knives off planes is not increasing the security of flying. These security measures are a waste of time and money.

12-28-2004, 06:57 PM	#41 (permalink)
Carno Junkie	Have fun riding a train everywhere. You're rights are not being violated in the least. You don't HAVE to fly. It's not like the TSA is going around the nation patting people down. They are patting people down who choose to fly. Don't want to get patted down, don't fly on a commercial airliner. Last edited by Carn; 12-28-2004 at 07:00 PM..

12-28-2004, 08:25 PM	#42 (permalink)
Xell101 Junkie	On general principle I agree with Smooth. I don't have enough information to think my way to conclusion but I do feel that these policies are, for the time being, necessitated. They cause a reduction in viability of dastardly plane plans, which counteracts the appeal to crazies that planes may have gained. It is however un-good in that creates an increased level of social acceptance of policies along the lines of these. As a side note, those who are sufficiently competent as to warrant concern will take a mile if given an inch, and they'll do it in such a manner that usually you won't see it coming. A level of paranoia is good for keeping things like that from happening.

12-29-2004, 03:29 AM	#43 (permalink)
scout Psycho	Amazing! People bitch about being a little inconvenienced before boarding a plane but not a word is mentioned about other things that have intruded on our rights. No one seems to care that the government can accuse you of being a drug dealer and confiscate your property, just don't touch my boobies at the airport. You think you own your home? Don't pay taxes on it for a year or two and see who really owns your home, but let's bitch about my boobies being touched in a non-sexual way. Think of all the personal rights you have lost thanks to the Patriot Act and there's no huge public outcry as long as we don't get frisked boarding a plane. A search warrant isn't needed anymore to search your vehicle thanks to the failed war on drugs, but we ain't touchin' boobies and balls in the airport screening line anymore so who cares. Police checkpoints are legal in just about every state to "prevent drunk driving" and where's the public outcry? If you happen to be accused of something your innocent of but in the course of you being arrested you accidently or intentionally kill a police dog you will be charged with murder just as if that dog was human. WTF? That's just to name a few of the intrusions we face daily, however, the list goes on and on. Folks there is far more serious intrusions into your personal life and space than getting frisked in line at the airport. If this was one step in the journey to return this country to the way it was intended then it would be something to celebrate.

12-29-2004, 12:05 PM	#44 (permalink)
StephenSa Psycho Location: Dallas, Texas	Personally, I don't mind the security measures per se. The lines are a bit long and it can be a bother but not enough for me to cause a ruckus. Now if suddenly I'm subject to anal probing then we have a problem. Fondling my nuts looking for C-4 is one thing but anal intrusion is where I draw the line! Anyhoo, even with the new security measures I don't feel safer. I also don't feel endangered. I just don't worry about it. I didn't before and I don't now. I do believe the aura of fear many Americans live under now is silly. If something is going to happen, it'll happen but odds are it won't so go about your business and don't throw your rights and civil liberties away for the illusion of safety.