Lak

Ok ok, no offense to any smokers here, but it happens that smokers are my pet hate. I can be very, VERY harsh when it comes to the behaviour of smokers so I'll try my best to be nice.
*deep, composing breath*

One thing in particular always blew my mind. Why is it that smokers never realise how the smoke invades everything? Once I told my mate to go smoke outside, and he obliged me with no argument which I was appreciative of, but then goes and stands a foot out the door to have his smoke and leaves the fuckin' door open! What the hell? He might as well be sitting next to me. Then he says "don't be silly, I was outside". The daft prat.
The other thing is even when they do go sufficiently far away to not let the smoke inside, they come back inside the very second they've thrown away the butt. Not only have they (more often than not) still got a lungful of smoke which gets exhaled inside, but they DRAG all the smoke inside on thier clothes. They need to... walk around a bit to air out... or something. When questioned, all my smoking mates (and ex-smoking mates) seem completely oblivious to this phenomena.

Someone please shed some light for me. Are there any smokers or ex-smokers who can tell me this - do smokers not REALISE that they're negating the effects of being outside by doing these things, or do they just not care?

I know I've used specific examples in this but I have observed this on many occasions, as I'm sure others have. I haven't cultured my pathalogical loathing for smokers based on nothing you know...

Again, no offense intended guys. I know we're all intelligent people here and if you like to smoke then its your business and I won't tell you not to.... however if you smoke around me you're likely to feel my surgical two-by-four

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scott_p_1

Yeah, I have a problem with some smokers too, (note the "some", others are fine) Some of them can be completely inconsiderate to others.

The other day, I was sitting down studying when a guy came into the building, sat down about 15 feet away from me, and reeked of cigarette smoke so bad that I had to look to make sure he wasn't still smoking inside. This probably comes down to the fact that he didn't realise that it was that bad, but still...

I've also had arguments with smokers before as to why they shouldn't be allowed to smoke indoors since it's a "free country" and they should be able to do what they want.

Lak

Yeah I could rant for hours. Basically the way it boils down for me is this:
They reguard thier right to be where they want and smoke as more important than my right to be where I want and breathe clean air. And if they do that, then I have a VERY serious problem with them.

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vox_rox

I don't want to sound too rabid here either, but the one thing that always fascinated me about smokers was when they talked about "smokers rights" as if it was some kind of human right with protection under some kind of international constitution or something.

Smokers rights? Sure, you have the right to smoke. What that does not give you, however, is the "right" to smoke where ever you want. It's not like the right to breathe, it's the right to personally use an adictive substance withn the parameters that society has placed on it. If you think that you are being stigmatized because of that, you know what your options are, and fighting for your "smokers rights" is, unfortunately for you, not one of them.

Peace,

Pierre

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bigoldalphamale

i smoked for 15 years. i have been off the tar for nearly a year and probably will never go back. never in my time of quitting did the smell of smoke aggrevate me. in fact, i kinda like the faint smell of cigarette smoke. it reminds of the good old days.

no love lost for smokers! it is bad for you though.

flamingdog

Surely you can't object to the smell of cigarettes on someone's clothes? That's like objecting to someone's aftershave.

flat5

In the 70's & 80's I used to go nuts trying to find a restaurant that I could enjoy breakfast in. I almost never made it through a meal without having to deal with cigarette smoke.

WillyPete

Walk from the toilet and into his room, with your dick hanging out and just finishing off a piss by the time you cross into his room.

"What? I went to the toilet when I started didn't I?"

OFKU0

Not a fan of cigarettes myself. I won't date a girl who smokes, don't care who she is. What iritates me is that when I'm driving behind a car, windows shut, I can smell the cig smoke from the car ahead of me, and then worse when they throw their dirty fucking habit out the window onto my car windshield. But that's why God invented the PIT maneuver used so effectively by the police.

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Lak

Yeah I object to that too. Sorry.

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Lak

You sir, are most excellent. That's brilliant, five stars.

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Glory's Sun

I'm a smoker and I'm considerate for the most part. If someone gets in my face or talks shit about it while I'm smoking in a designated area well then I become rude. There are ways to please both groups. This recent trend of making smokers out to be bad, stupid or utterly rude people is complete ignorance IMO. I don't have the right to smoke anywhere..but goddamnit if I am smoking where it's allowed then please don't talk shit..

WillyPete

That's General WillyPete to you!

ShaniFaye

Amen!!

I consider myself to be courteous as well....I dont gripe about not being able to smoke in a non smokers home....it was my choice to go there....If I choose to go to a place to eat that doesnt allow it...I dont stand at the door blowing smoke to people coming in and going out....etc

We were at a place the other day that DOES have a smoking section and a non smoking couple had chosen to sit there and had the audacity to ask us not to smoke...now THAT pisses the hell out of me

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flstf

Inconsiderate people are always a problem but this anti-smoking phase is getting ridiculous sometimes. There was a group in Seattle a while back wanting to ban people from smoking in their cars with the windows open while on the backed up freeways because the smoke drifted back to them. I guess it interfered with the exhaust fumes, LOL. Also why should there be laws against bars and restaurants allowing smoking? If people don't like it they can just go elsewhere. Eventually the marketplace would decide, after all these places want to stay in business.

bigoldalphamale

SoCal blows. sure its beautiful, but only once you've learned to block out the ultra annoyingly fake locals.

i am glad DC is hanging strong to its smoking establishments. even though i have quit, i still love to walk into a bar and be hit with a wave of cigar/cigarette smoke mixed with the smell of good food and booze. one of those little joys,,,you know.

flamingdog

Okay, I now mandate that you must wash five times a day and wear skunk deodorant, because your odour offends me.

Strange Famous

*blows smoke in your face*

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kutulu

I find it ironic that threads bashing smokers are allowed and people are given free range to say whatever rude things they want to about smokers. If I made a similar thread but replaced smokers with 'fat people' it would be locked and I'd probably get banned.

First of all, walking past a person smoking OUTSIDE is no more dangerous than having a car pass by you in a parking lot or sitting in rush hour traffic with a window open. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that the air quality in a busy parking garage is much worse than walking past a few smokers in the open air. The only difference is that you can see and smell the smoke and you can't always see or smell teh car exhaust. Do you freak out about your health when you stand over your gas or charcoal grill? What about when you sit by the campfire? Lots of people willingly breath that shit in because they like the smell of the food cooking or the wood burning. Do some research on the science of combustion if you don't believe me.

Second, there is no such thing as 'dragging the smoke in on your clothes' The main dangerous chemical from cigarette smoke is carbon monoxide. It is a colorless odorless gas that is less dense (and hotter) than the surrounding air. As a result is diffuses upwards in the atmosphere. What you smell is the odor of the smoke, it affects the surrounding air no more than your colonge or perfume. Learn about the mechanisms of diffusion.

The nose can smell things in very low concentrations. Sitting inside 15 feet away from someone, you are not getting harmfull levels of and of the chemicals from the smoke. If that is your only exposure to cigarette smoke you will NEVER have negative health effects from it.

StephenSa

Smokers aren't bad people they just have an annoying habit and having it often don't realize its effects on others. I do 't smoke and have never smoked. I'm not worried about the "health risks" of second hand smoke. I'm not sure those risks exist and if they do I'm sure one my own many bad habits will kill me first. I do hate the smell of smoke. Nonsmokers logically are MUCH more sensitive to the smell than smokers. If I am in a smokey environment for about ten minutes my clothes are ruined for the day. I can still smell the smoke on them later when I'm putting them in the laundry. Ugh, the smell makes me naseaus. I try to stay away from smokers when I can. No one smokes in my home or car. Sometimes one is forced to be around it though, in bars or perhaps at concerts. In those situations I just have to bear it. I do though get one pleasure from it, if I'm surrounded by smokers and the air smells repugnant with noxious smoke anyway I see no reason to restrain my farts! We can all be unhappy together!

flstf

That's good, otherwise it may build up such a pressure you would explode. But be careful, those suckers are flammeable, LOL.

flamingdog

That's an excellent point, and it seems endemic of this fictitious moral high ground suddenly adopted by non-smokers who seem to think they're better than people who smoke.

bigoldalphamale

well kutulu, it appears as though your hypothesis was correct: TF hates smokers but loves fat people. cool. at least we know where we stand.

by the way, my satirical version of this thread was officially locked in under 8 minutes. this one has been going for several hours now, with no sign of being locked.

kutulu

I know it's complete bullshit. Although the specified reason for locking that thread was because it was a flame directed at a particular member. This thread is an obvious flame directed at all smokers hidden under some BS 'no offense, but.'

Personally I'm sick of being treated like shit because I smoke and I'm sick of opinions of the smell of smoke at an entrace as taken as fact that it's going to kill you.

Glory's Sun

actually that would be wrong. The tfp isn't about loving one group more than another. That only spreads ignorance. This is a place where one can come without worrying about it. The other thread was a direct flame on a single member of the forum which is against policy. This thread bashes smokers and while it's still a bash at least it does provide an open ground for us smokers to state our case. I don't agree with how the opening post was worded, but as stated at least it isn't a direct flame on a single member of the forum.

World's King

I have the right to smoke where ever the fuck I want just like you have the right to bitch about it.

If it wasn't for smokers you wouldn't have anything pointless to bitch about. Thank us and shut the fuck up.

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The_wall

that post made me laugh

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bigoldalphamale

nor was my "BloodyFatPeople" a flame against any one person here. it was simply a comparitive analysis to see what would happen when "smokers" was substituted with "fat people". i mean, the other thread i started was nearly verbatim with "Fat People" subbed in where "Smokers" were. i even left in the "no offense". and still, the thread was locked and i was sent threatening PMs from the admins. the rest of you can debate all day about whether or not i trolled, but the evidence is here on your forum in black and white and clear for any rational person to see: its ok to be fat, but not to smoke.

The_wall

I'm fat and smoke, so am I good or bad?

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flstf

I didn't think the "Bloody Fat People" thread was directed at any particular member. I just thought it was pointing out the analogy of both arguments in a satirical way.

Averett

You should be put to death immediately.


(kidding, of course)

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filtherton

What's really bad about smoking? The fact that i'm too poor right now to be able to afford to do it.

i long to sit on
the crapper with the paper
smoking and crapping

SecretMethod70

The discussion in this thread is steadily degenerating and I don't plan on watching it get worse. There are other threads about public smoking - if you'd like to continue a REAL discussion about that then do a search for one of those.

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