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Munku · 11-10-2004, 08:20 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...bit/index.html

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Palestinian leader Arafat dies at 75

PARIS, France (CNN) -- Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, 75, the leader who passionately sought a homeland for his people but was seen by many Israelis as a ruthless terrorist and a roadblock to peace, died early Thursday in Paris.

Arafat had been sick with an unknown illness that had been variously described as the flu, a stomach virus or gallstones. He flew to Paris last week seeking medical treatment and was hospitalized with what Palestinian officials said was a blood disorder.

For five decades, Arafat -- adorned with his trademark checkered kaffiyeh -- was the most prominent face of Palestinian opposition to Israel and the push for a Palestinian state, first as the head of the Palestine Liberation Organization, which carried out attacks against Israeli targets, and later as the leader of the quasi-governmental Palestinian Authority after parts of the West Bank and Gaza were returned to Palestinian control.

His death leaves no clear immediate successor in the often fractious world of Palestinian politics.

The Palestinian constitution provides that the speaker of the Palestinian House of Representatives assumes temporary power if the president dies or is found to be unable or incompetent to rule.

The constitution calls for elections within 60 days to fill the post permanently.

The president holds office for five years and can stand for re-election once.

Arafat was first elected head of the PLO in 1969, and by 1974, Arab leaders recognized the group as "the sole legitimate representative" of the Palestinian people.

In 1994, Arafat was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with Israeli leaders Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres, for their work on the Oslo accords, seen at the time as a breakthrough toward an independent Palestinian state and a permanent peace with Israel. Yet a decade later, Arafat died without seeing his dream of a Palestinian homeland come true.

At a summit at Camp David, Maryland, in 2000, Arafat decided to turn down a U.S.-brokered deal offering Palestinians control of most of the occupied Palestinian territory. Three months later, intense fighting broke out between Palestinians and the Israeli army.

Israel -- in retaliation for increased terrorist attacks on Israeli civilian targets -- severely restricted Arafat's movements, confining him to his West Bank compound in Ramallah in December 2001.

Continuing violence, along with corruption and economic problems, raised questions at home and abroad about Arafat's ability to lead the Palestinian Authority.

In 2003, under pressure from the United States and members of his own Cabinet, Arafat appointed Mahmoud Abbas to the new position of prime minister, a move designed to decentralize power. But Abbas resigned less than six months later, saying he didn't have enough support to do the job.

In July, Arafat announced a program designed to unify security forces and tackle corruption after his frustrated second prime minister, Ahmed Qorei, also tried to resign.

Arafat is survived by his wife, Suha Tawil, whom he married in 1991, and their daughter, Zahwa, who was born in 1995.

anleja · 11-10-2004, 08:24 PM

Damn, beat me to it.

What exciting times we live in.

the_marq · 11-10-2004, 08:25 PM

really?

I expect his condidtion to improve by morning.

Drider_it · 11-10-2004, 08:27 PM

dances a jig.. evil comes in many forms.. the best in a guise of peace

slimpi66y · 11-10-2004, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Drider_it

dances a jig.. evil comes in many forms.. the best in a guise of peace

well said, he's now a good terrorist

guthmund · 11-10-2004, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by the_marq

really?

I expect his condidtion to improve by morning.

I'm not dead yet!!!

/monty python

Thanks to all the conflicting stories, the only way I'll believe he's actually dead is when I see them parade him through the city.

Drider_it · 11-10-2004, 09:57 PM

hahha they put strings on him and make him a true puppet.. wonder if they will do to him what they did to the dude in russia.. but make him a target dummy for wet wads of toliet paper.

heh sorry i truely hated the man.

World's King · 11-10-2004, 11:15 PM

He'll be back tomorrow.

Fremen · 11-10-2004, 11:43 PM

France surrenders?

Tell me something, how much land is in dispute between Israel and Palestine, and is it at least able to grow anything?

/ignorant American

Mobo123 · 11-10-2004, 11:54 PM

What really pisses me off is the Chirac,that pigfucker, went racing to the side of ARafat just before he died. Why the hell does the US deal with this motherfucker in france? the next time they get invaded, lets just sit back and tell to stick his requests for help up is well laid ass.

Spartak · 11-11-2004, 01:30 AM

The world loses another great leader.

An absolute legend in his own right.

billege · 11-11-2004, 01:45 AM

Ah, the man who had chances for peace and repeatedly flushed them down the toilet.

I won't be mourning him.

MSD · 11-11-2004, 05:15 AM

9 hours later and he's still dead. Maybe it's for real this time.

Fate · 11-11-2004, 06:05 AM

I heard the next people in line for his Nation is already talking about peace.
I hope whatever happens is for peace, and less killing.

Carno · 11-11-2004, 06:37 AM

Good for him. Finally in hell where he belongs.

gal · 11-11-2004, 07:00 AM

Shame. The Palestinians will have a hard time finding a president that can unite them the way Arafat did.

powerclown · 11-11-2004, 07:44 AM

Here's to hoping this will now clear the way to some sort of peaceful, two-state agreement between Israelis and Palestineans.

Its fitting that he never lived to see the creation of the Palestinean state that he tried so hard to establish by means of terrorism. It is further proof that terrorism is a nihilistic, dead-end strategy for social change. He was a sworn enemy of Israel, an impediment to peace, and he led his people only to ruin.

The respect the French are showing this man in death is shameful.

manalone · 11-11-2004, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by powerclown

Its fitting that he never lived to see the creation of the Palestinean state that he tried so hard to establish by means of terrorism.

So expanding Israel by war is ok, but retrieving Palestinian soil isn't?

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It is further proof that terrorism is a nihilistic, dead-end strategy for social change. He was a sworn enemy of Israel, an impediment to peace, and he led his people only to ruin.

As opposed to the illegal war, the forced emigration of hundreds of thousands, the assasinations conducted by Israel.

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The respect the French are showing this man in death is shameful.

Heaven forbid that respect be shown for the dead.

TheBrit · 11-11-2004, 11:27 AM

A little bit of little known info. Zionists BOUGHT Israel. They paid rich palestinian landowners, who gave them the land. The landowners just didn't tell the tenants, who then got pissed off...

water_boy1999 · 11-11-2004, 11:43 AM

I can just feel the love for Arafat in this thread.

I hope something good happens from him dying. Like leaders who actually promote the peace process between Isreal and Palestine.

ScottKuma · 11-11-2004, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by water_boy1999

I can just feel the love for Arafat in this thread.

I hope something good happens from him dying. Like leaders who actually promote the peace process between Isreal and Palestine.

I think you're right w_bMIM, and that's the ONLY reason to celebrate the man. It's going to be interesting in the coming weeks to see if the Palestinians can find a non-blow-shiat-up position that will help them obtain their goals.

Carno · 11-11-2004, 12:36 PM

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So expanding Israel by war is ok, but retrieving Palestinian soil isn't?

This isn't about Israel.

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As opposed to the illegal war, the forced emigration of hundreds of thousands, the assasinations conducted by Israel.

See above.

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Heaven forbid that respect be shown for the dead.

The man was a TERRORIST. He killed innocent people! Why ANYONE would respect that is beyond me. He was a criminal and a murderer, he deserves nothing.

And this thread is not about Israel, so let's not get into that.

TNJ4555 · 11-11-2004, 01:39 PM

Looks like as soon as they got his PIN number, Suha kicked out the plug

powerclown · 11-11-2004, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by manalone

So expanding Israel by war is ok, but retrieving Palestinian soil isn't?

As opposed to the illegal war, the forced emigration of hundreds of thousands, the assasinations conducted by Israel.

Heaven forbid that respect be shown for the dead.

Take a look at a map of the Middle East. Israel is a tiny speck in a sea of hostile countries bent on its destruction. (Jordan being the exception.)

The armies of the entire Middle East attacked Israel TWICE and got their asses handed to them on a stick both times. Israel not only beat back the marauding armies, but, indeed, smartly secured land strategically imperative for their continued existence. Unfortunately for them, they are slowly giving back some of that land they fought so hard for.

What "Illegal War"?

Because Arafat and the Palestineans refused to acknowledge the existence of Israel, and resorted to violent terrorism, Israel was forced to take steps to defend its citizens. Targeted killings of top Palestinean terrorist leaders, operational commanders, bomb makers, and ideological hate-mongers (all committed to the destruction of Israel) are entirely justified in the context of self defense, in my opinion.

And, yes, shame on France. Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame on the cynical, petty, vindictive, back-stabbing French government, who shamelessly pandered to this terrorist for years, in hopes of securing future financial trading status (and political influence) in the Arab World, while giving the finger to its true ally to the west.

Drider_it · 11-11-2004, 04:37 PM

hell they only kept him alive in the hopes he would live.. he was the only one with the access codes and such for the bank accounts heh

Dingo2879 · 11-12-2004, 02:28 PM

There is a story out today that CBS news apologized for interrupting CSI to announce Arafat's death. They apologized? It used to be that anytime a important news story occured, the news would interrupt whatever was on to report it. What changed? Are we that obsessed over sitcoms and hour long dramas that we stopped caring about what's going on in the world?

SecretMethod70 · 11-12-2004, 02:40 PM

They apologized because the interrupted to conclusion of the show when the news was going to be on in like 10 minutes anyway. Makes sense to me - Arafat's death doesn't have any immediate consequences on us, so people can wait until their nightly news.

Rigor · 11-12-2004, 09:21 PM

the french finally did something good... they killed arafat. jk, but maybe we should padade in the streets and celebrate his death like they did after 911. those fuckers need to rot in hell, as im sure mr. wiskers has a special place in hell bending over for the devil.

tellumFS · 11-12-2004, 09:49 PM

With Arafat finally out of the way, hopefully leaders with more forward looking policies will cement their position in Palestine. Arafat was extremely short sighted when it came to taking care of the Palestinians, but not when it came to holding on to power for himself for so long.

For better or for worse, his life really proves the saying "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

joeshoe · 11-12-2004, 11:15 PM

Hmm, controversial man... I'd like to see a comprehensive enumeration for his "nobel peace prize side" and his, err, "terrorist side," and see which one wins out.

karsey · 04-17-2005, 08:41 AM

Arafat was a hero who was against the illegal israeli occupation and aggression.
Its funny how many blatant Zionists are in this board, bet you all love Ariel Sharon - the mass murderer war criminal responsible for countless massacares.

http://www.indictsharon.net

tecoyah · 04-17-2005, 04:14 PM

If you dare insult the membership here again.....it will be the last time we see you.

Period.

11-10-2004, 08:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
the_marq All hail the Mountain King Location: Black Mesa	really? I expect his condidtion to improve by morning. __________________ The Truth: Johnny Cash could have kicked Bruce Lee's ass if he wanted to. #3 in a series

11-10-2004, 08:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
Drider_it Junkie Location: Louisiana	dances a jig.. evil comes in many forms.. the best in a guise of peace __________________ It means only one thing, and everything: Cut. Once committed to fight, Cut. Everything else is secondary. Cut. That is your duty, your purpose, your hunger. There is no rule more important, no commitment that overrides that one. Cut. The lines are a portrayal of the dance. Cut from the void, not from bewilderment. Cut the enemy as quickly and directly as possible. Cut with certainty. Cut decisively, resoultely. Cut into his strength. Flow through the gaps in his guard. Cut him. Cut him down utterly. Don't allow him a breath. Crush him. Cut him without mercy to the depth of his spirit. It is the balance to life: death. It is the dance with death. It is the law a war wizard lives by, or he dies.

11-10-2004, 09:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Drider_it Junkie Location: Louisiana	hahha they put strings on him and make him a true puppet.. wonder if they will do to him what they did to the dude in russia.. but make him a target dummy for wet wads of toliet paper. heh sorry i truely hated the man. __________________ It means only one thing, and everything: Cut. Once committed to fight, Cut. Everything else is secondary. Cut. That is your duty, your purpose, your hunger. There is no rule more important, no commitment that overrides that one. Cut. The lines are a portrayal of the dance. Cut from the void, not from bewilderment. Cut the enemy as quickly and directly as possible. Cut with certainty. Cut decisively, resoultely. Cut into his strength. Flow through the gaps in his guard. Cut him. Cut him down utterly. Don't allow him a breath. Crush him. Cut him without mercy to the depth of his spirit. It is the balance to life: death. It is the dance with death. It is the law a war wizard lives by, or he dies.

11-10-2004, 11:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	He'll be back tomorrow. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

11-10-2004, 11:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	France surrenders? Tell me something, how much land is in dispute between Israel and Palestine, and is it at least able to grow anything? /ignorant American __________________ Google

11-10-2004, 08:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
anleja disconnected Location: ignoreland	Damn, beat me to it. What exciting times we live in.

11-10-2004, 11:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mobo123 Insane	What really pisses me off is the Chirac,that pigfucker, went racing to the side of ARafat just before he died. Why the hell does the US deal with this motherfucker in france? the next time they get invaded, lets just sit back and tell to stick his requests for help up is well laid ass.

11-11-2004, 01:30 AM	#11 (permalink)
Spartak Bang bang Location: New Zealand	The world loses another great leader. An absolute legend in his own right. __________________ I can read your mind... looking at you... I can read your mind...

11-11-2004, 01:45 AM	#12 (permalink)
billege Watcher Location: Ohio	Ah, the man who had chances for peace and repeatedly flushed them down the toilet. I won't be mourning him. __________________ I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence: "My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend."

11-11-2004, 05:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	9 hours later and he's still dead. Maybe it's for real this time.

11-11-2004, 06:05 AM	#14 (permalink)
Fate Crazy Location: Montreal	I heard the next people in line for his Nation is already talking about peace. I hope whatever happens is for peace, and less killing. __________________ vB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is Off HTML code is Off

11-11-2004, 06:37 AM	#15 (permalink)
Carno Junkie	Good for him. Finally in hell where he belongs.

11-11-2004, 07:00 AM	#16 (permalink)
gal Insane	Shame. The Palestinians will have a hard time finding a president that can unite them the way Arafat did.

11-11-2004, 07:44 AM	#17 (permalink)
powerclown Junkie Location: Detroit, MI	Here's to hoping this will now clear the way to some sort of peaceful, two-state agreement between Israelis and Palestineans. Its fitting that he never lived to see the creation of the Palestinean state that he tried so hard to establish by means of terrorism. It is further proof that terrorism is a nihilistic, dead-end strategy for social change. He was a sworn enemy of Israel, an impediment to peace, and he led his people only to ruin. The respect the French are showing this man in death is shameful.

11-11-2004, 11:27 AM	#19 (permalink)
TheBrit Psycho	A little bit of little known info. Zionists BOUGHT Israel. They paid rich palestinian landowners, who gave them the land. The landowners just didn't tell the tenants, who then got pissed off...

11-11-2004, 11:43 AM	#20 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	I can just feel the love for Arafat in this thread. I hope something good happens from him dying. Like leaders who actually promote the peace process between Isreal and Palestine. __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson

11-11-2004, 01:39 PM	#23 (permalink)
TNJ4555 Tilted Location: Jersey	Looks like as soon as they got his PIN number, Suha kicked out the plug

11-11-2004, 04:37 PM	#25 (permalink)
Drider_it Junkie Location: Louisiana	hell they only kept him alive in the hopes he would live.. he was the only one with the access codes and such for the bank accounts heh __________________ It means only one thing, and everything: Cut. Once committed to fight, Cut. Everything else is secondary. Cut. That is your duty, your purpose, your hunger. There is no rule more important, no commitment that overrides that one. Cut. The lines are a portrayal of the dance. Cut from the void, not from bewilderment. Cut the enemy as quickly and directly as possible. Cut with certainty. Cut decisively, resoultely. Cut into his strength. Flow through the gaps in his guard. Cut him. Cut him down utterly. Don't allow him a breath. Crush him. Cut him without mercy to the depth of his spirit. It is the balance to life: death. It is the dance with death. It is the law a war wizard lives by, or he dies.

11-12-2004, 02:28 PM	#26 (permalink)
Dingo2879 Crazy Location: Lisle, IL	There is a story out today that CBS news apologized for interrupting CSI to announce Arafat's death. They apologized? It used to be that anytime a important news story occured, the news would interrupt whatever was on to report it. What changed? Are we that obsessed over sitcoms and hour long dramas that we stopped caring about what's going on in the world?

11-12-2004, 02:40 PM	#27 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	They apologized because the interrupted to conclusion of the show when the news was going to be on in like 10 minutes anyway. Makes sense to me - Arafat's death doesn't have any immediate consequences on us, so people can wait until their nightly news. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

11-12-2004, 09:21 PM	#28 (permalink)
Rigor Upright	the french finally did something good... they killed arafat. jk, but maybe we should padade in the streets and celebrate his death like they did after 911. those fuckers need to rot in hell, as im sure mr. wiskers has a special place in hell bending over for the devil.

11-12-2004, 09:49 PM	#29 (permalink)
tellumFS Tilted	With Arafat finally out of the way, hopefully leaders with more forward looking policies will cement their position in Palestine. Arafat was extremely short sighted when it came to taking care of the Palestinians, but not when it came to holding on to power for himself for so long. For better or for worse, his life really proves the saying "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

11-12-2004, 11:15 PM	#30 (permalink)
joeshoe Crazy Location: California	Hmm, controversial man... I'd like to see a comprehensive enumeration for his "nobel peace prize side" and his, err, "terrorist side," and see which one wins out.

04-17-2005, 08:41 AM	#31 (permalink)
karsey Upright	Arafat was a hero who was against the illegal israeli occupation and aggression. Its funny how many blatant Zionists are in this board, bet you all love Ariel Sharon - the mass murderer war criminal responsible for countless massacares. http://www.indictsharon.net

04-17-2005, 04:14 PM	#32 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	If you dare insult the membership here again.....it will be the last time we see you. Period. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha