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Old 10-31-2004, 09:09 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I live deep in the bible belt of the South. No trick or treating on Sunday. We had it last night. I get so excited about Halloween buying all kinds of cool candy, pumpkins on the porch, flaming lanterns in the trees. We only had 3 show up, all from the same family. The parents are our friends. If I had known that would be it I would have given them all of the candy I had. The letdown is such a drag.
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Old 10-31-2004, 09:15 PM   #42 (permalink)
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We went through 54 full-sized candy bars, 40 caramel apple pops, and a huge bag of mini snickers by 7:00pm. We had to shut the porch light off
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Old 10-31-2004, 09:31 PM   #43 (permalink)
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update: i had one pair of little witches about a half hour ago

Halloween is not a failure on my street after all!

Well thats not nice to call them that! What did they ever do to you?!

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Old 10-31-2004, 09:51 PM   #44 (permalink)
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it's been raining for days here in oklahoma. some of the trick or treaters got to do a bit last night... but it was pretty much dead (no pun intended) here on Halloween. too bad, i'd be pretty disappointed if i were a little kid.
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Old 10-31-2004, 10:01 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Zero, haha I love living on a college campus, people are too drunk to give a shit about candy.
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Old 10-31-2004, 10:01 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Very nice night and despite being in a suburb with what looks like a lot of kids we only had about 25 kids show up. We are a little off the main path, but still surprising.

On the other hand I asked a friend of mine who said his place had a ton.
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Old 10-31-2004, 10:02 PM   #47 (permalink)
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there were only 38 kids that came today
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Old 10-31-2004, 10:18 PM   #48 (permalink)
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We had one 30-something guy with liquor on his breath. He claimed his kids were up the street, yet oddly they never stopped by... That was the extent of our visitors this year. Not unusual numbers-wise, because our house faces a busy street with blocks and blocks of better pickings on the side streets behind us.

This the report of my wife; I was off with our son and assorted cousins and friends, tromping through the neighborhood of another family member with the poor judgement to live on a quiet street with lots of cul de sacs and very little traffic.
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Old 10-31-2004, 10:30 PM   #49 (permalink)
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It seems most parents now favor halloween parties organized by schools, churches, neighborhoods and cities. Controlled environment where you don't have to worry about the candy's purity, traffic on the roads or the (often) crappy weather.

Kids still get the candy, hang out with friends and Mommie and Daddie don't have to worry about anybody offering jello shots
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Old 10-31-2004, 10:51 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Im glad I live out in the middle of nowhere. We had 0 kids come tonight. Halloween sucks anyways. Just another holiday for kids to bitch at their parents to ask them for costumes and then the week after Halloween where you have millions of children all over the country on a sugar high.
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Old 11-01-2004, 12:01 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Currently staying in a B&B, and had a lonely kid not knowing what he was doing, come here... I had nothing to give him since it isnt my place... felt bad, oh well, darn kid!
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Old 11-01-2004, 12:51 AM   #52 (permalink)
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None here, only saw a couple out and about and they were teenagers. Snowing a bit and cold. Anchorage has an indoor trick or treat warehouse where for a couple bucks the kids get to hit a whole bunch of places in a warm, safe environment. It keeps kids off the street and away from harm.

Last night, my neighbor had a couple pumpkins thrown across the street and broken. I would feel bad, but he didn't even pick them up after driving by them several times. As usual, his shit will litter the neighborhood until someone else picks it up.
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Old 11-01-2004, 03:10 AM   #53 (permalink)
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zero trick of treaters knocked on my door.
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Old 11-01-2004, 03:13 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Dont you tjink it is just a lame commercial rip off, can someone explain the roots of halloween?
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Old 11-01-2004, 03:39 AM   #55 (permalink)
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It's a pagan tradition. From the History Channel website:

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Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in). The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of comfort and direction during the long, dark winter.

To commemorate the event, Druids built huge sacred bonfires, where the people gathered to burn crops and animals as sacrifices to the Celtic deities. During the celebration, the Celts wore costumes, typically consisting of animal heads and skins, and attempted to tell each other's fortunes. When the celebration was over, they re-lit their hearth fires, which they had extinguished earlier that evening, from the sacred bonfire to help protect them during the coming winter.

By A.D. 43, Romans had conquered the majority of Celtic territory. In the course of the four hundred years that they ruled the Celtic lands, two festivals of Roman origin were combined with the traditional Celtic celebration of Samhain. The first was Feralia, a day in late October when the Romans traditionally commemorated the passing of the dead. The second was a day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple and the incorporation of this celebration into Samhain probably explains the tradition of "bobbing" for apples that is practiced today on Halloween.

By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in A.D. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.
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Old 11-01-2004, 05:41 AM   #56 (permalink)
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I had zero Which was great since I had no candy and didn't want to deal with it anyway.
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Old 11-01-2004, 06:39 AM   #57 (permalink)
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We're so far from the road that nobody knows we're here.

Nice quiet evening last night with no visitors...
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Old 11-01-2004, 06:50 AM   #58 (permalink)
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We had about 150+. I get tired of the kids (a not just teens) without outfits. This year's most interesting outfit - a 14yo with a free mammogram "helmet". Way too young for that outfit, but very original for his age.

I have come up with "rules" on when you are too old to go out trick or treating. It had just one going into this year, I have added two more:

1. If you have a B cup or larger, you shouldn't be trick or treating.
2. If you are wearing cologne, you shouldn't be trick or treating.
3. If you have a bookie, you shouldn't be trick or treating.

The last one came about when two "kids" came up and noticing that we had set up a small tv outside and was watching football asked if Dallas had won by ten or more, and when I said I didn't know, mumbled that he was going to lose a lot of money this week as he walked away. Ah, the purity of Halloween.
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Old 11-01-2004, 06:54 AM   #59 (permalink)
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I had zero bad news I bought things I love, so my ass is growing as we speak :P
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Old 11-01-2004, 06:59 AM   #60 (permalink)
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Our neighbourhood is a prime destination for Halloween.

We had somewhere around 150 kids flow past our doors... The vast majority had some pretty cool costumes. The cool thing to see is the new immigrants (usually from China) that try to get into the spirit of the occassion. They don't have the best (or sometimes any) costumes but the kids are just in awe that there are people giving out candy and that there are all kids of other kids dressed up and racing around...

We always have a small party on our porch. My wife gives out the candy and entertains our various guests and drop in visitors while I take the kids around to trick or treat. While many of the houses in the area get decorated there are two that stand out every year. One house, every year has a new theme... last year they were the Pirates of the Caribbean (they build the bow of a ship, had lighting, sound effects and pirates duelling), this year they created a really cool cemetery on their front lawn and all dressed up as people who died from odd things (you had to see it to get the joke). The other stand out is from the next street down. A group of neighbours get together and do a musical number. Last year was a reenacted Thriller, complete with Zombies shambling out of the crowd to get their funk on... this year was Rocky Horror (time warp and sweet transvestite). They were awesome...
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Old 11-01-2004, 07:12 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I was 20 miles away washing brake fluid out of my eyes when it was getting dark, I was dripping blood on brake parts, trying to open a bleed valve thta hasn't been touched in 11 years, and trying not to start screaming obscenities with my mother looking over my shoulder when most kids went back home.

One bigass box of 3 Musketeers bars and one mixed box of stuff for me.
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Old 11-01-2004, 07:20 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Horrible horrible american tradition (no offence intented), it's just begging and now it's getting popular over here in blighty, nobody went trick or treating when I was a lad but last night I had about 20 of the little gits knocking on my door threatening to desecrate my house unless i stumped up the annual sweet(candy) payment
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Old 11-01-2004, 09:19 AM   #63 (permalink)
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We had 15-20. About a tenth of last year's turnout.

I have so much leftover candy I could cry.
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Old 11-01-2004, 09:23 AM   #64 (permalink)
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We only had three. Soooo, all of the unopened candy went back to Wal-Mart the next morning for a refund. Thanks to my wife for saving receipts!

ART, next year the wife and I will be joining you. We're moving to the country and will be miles from any roads. If we get any trick or treaters next year, then they'll be real ghosts.
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Old 11-01-2004, 09:24 AM   #65 (permalink)
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5# of candy + 3 kids = 3 VERY happy kids
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Old 11-01-2004, 09:55 AM   #66 (permalink)
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We are the "Good Side Of Town", so we're a Trick or Treat destination.

It was insane last night. I had the kids out for an hour and 45 minutes while the wife tallied 160 kids before she gave up. We estimate about 200 total.
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Old 11-01-2004, 10:17 AM   #67 (permalink)
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We live almost at the end of a four mile dead-end road out in the country. The last half mile that we're on, there are only five kids on that stretch and two of them are mineand we don't like the others, so it was quiet last night.

We have a party with the rest of our extended family, witha piniata (sp) filled with candy. The kids don't go away disappointed.
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Old 11-01-2004, 12:12 PM   #68 (permalink)
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350 ft driveway up hill.......no kids.....my wife and I miss the little kids dressed up all cute but after they reach about 11 years, they turn to little assholes in desparate need of ass whuppin....I would not be typing here today had my old man seen or heard of me behaving as these kids...
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Old 11-01-2004, 02:00 PM   #69 (permalink)
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Horrible horrible american tradition (no offence intented), it's just begging and now it's getting popular over here in blighty, nobody went trick or treating when I was a lad but last night I had about 20 of the little gits knocking on my door threatening to desecrate my house unless i stumped up the annual sweet(candy) payment
Just do what we do. Turn off your lights close your curtains and hunker down for a night of watching TV. And if they persist turn the sprinklers on them.
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Old 11-01-2004, 02:19 PM   #70 (permalink)
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^ See if yer gonna be that mean we'd normally just heave eggs at your house from a distance and if you ever turned the sprinklers off, toilet paper your trees If not the trees I imagine those crazy kids will come up with something creative to toilet paper..maybe yer car or something. Whats wrong with just buying a bag or 2 of candy? Hand em out till ya run out and then just place a polite sign on your door that says "Sorry we ran out of candy " then Turn off your lights, close your curtains, and watch T.V. they only fuck with you if yer a jerk.

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Old 11-01-2004, 02:24 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Zero turned out here. I guess the kids prefer to go to the neighboring houses rather than the condos.
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Old 11-01-2004, 02:27 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Horrible horrible american tradition (no offence intented), it's just begging and now it's getting popular over here in blighty, nobody went trick or treating when I was a lad but last night I had about 20 of the little gits knocking on my door threatening to desecrate my house unless i stumped up the annual sweet(candy) payment
begging? its a wonderful children's time. the parents on my street really get into it, and the little kids are adorable. Although the Scream costume is tired and lame, and there wre too many spidermans and Harry potters. The most unique costume was a kid wearing a Toronto Maple Leafs hockey jersey, with chains padlocked around his chest. He was a Locked out Leaf. Very witty...

It's a very charming children's tradition here in Canada, and the kids are not too old to take part. I dont give 'sweets' to the teenagers.
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Old 11-01-2004, 03:58 PM   #73 (permalink)
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I love Halloween because it's mostly a little kids' holiday and is all about them having fun. I cannot imagine being so cheap that I wouldn't spring for candy.
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Old 11-01-2004, 05:11 PM   #74 (permalink)
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i had about 50, give or take. some kids came around saturday night. i told them i had no candy and they had to come back sunday, THE REAL HALLOWEEN!! it's not like the kids stay out really late trick or treating. i don't know why some places did it on saturday.
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Old 11-01-2004, 05:36 PM   #75 (permalink)
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I wasn't here for trick-or-treat, but from reading this thread, it seems to me that the festivity has almost completely gone to hell. I live in the Bible Belt, so of course there were plenty of people whining about Halloween being on Sunday. All I had to say was "get a life." Then there's trick-or-treat itself. When I was really little, like 5 or 6, I had a pillowcase, and I might have gotten two dozen pieces of candy in the ONE trick-or-treat. One guy came into the grocery where I work, and he said that his little boy got to go three times that week. THREE TIMES??? It is just turning into a way to promote greed. The lack of spooking kids disturbs me too. Moms not letting their kids do haunted houses and yelling at the one guy on the block that pulls the chain off his chainsaw and revvs it up while chasing kids just seems to defeat the fun that Halloween was for me. It was hella-cool to get scared one night of the year, and then get candy. Hell, I still get dressed up for the kids, and sometimes I even take the time to jump out from behind bushes and scare them. It seems like such a shitty, meaningless holiday anymore.
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Old 11-01-2004, 06:29 PM   #76 (permalink)
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All I got for trick or treaters was a bunch of little bastards. Half the time they didn't even say anything, much less give a "Thank you" after I gave them candy. They just pounded on my door, held their bags out, then turned around and went to the next door.

Yeah, good costumes you little pricks. And you're welcome!

But seriously, I love Halloween. Every year the costumes get smaller, and I get drunker.
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Old 11-01-2004, 06:50 PM   #77 (permalink)
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We got 10 this year. An all time high for my place. Interesting sinice we live in the middle of the 'burbs.
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Old 11-01-2004, 07:30 PM   #78 (permalink)
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We have a very "young" neighborhood so there are tons of kids. Seems to be more and more every year. This year we estimate about 300 or so, maybe a little less. Not too sure about people driving into this neighborhood since it's kind of on the edge of the city, but we sure go through a lot of candy. Best part is, there's usually never any trouble.
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Old 11-01-2004, 08:06 PM   #79 (permalink)
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^ See if yer gonna be that mean we'd normally just heave eggs at your house from a distance and if you ever turned the sprinklers off, toilet paper your trees If not the trees I imagine those crazy kids will come up with something creative to toilet paper..maybe yer car or something. Whats wrong with just buying a bag or 2 of candy? Hand em out till ya run out and then just place a polite sign on your door that says "Sorry we ran out of candy " then Turn off your lights, close your curtains, and watch T.V. they only fuck with you if yer a jerk.

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Old 11-01-2004, 08:24 PM   #80 (permalink)
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^ Ahahah touche!

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Moms not letting their kids do haunted houses <b>and yelling at the one guy on the block that pulls the chain off his chainsaw and revvs it up while chasing kids</b> just seems to defeat the fun that Halloween was for me.
Okay I was with ya up until that part buddy. Especially since these days parents drive thier kids around. That could scare the living hell out of a little kid and cause him to run in front of a car...at the very least run into someone or drop all his/her candy.

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