ironman

I knew sooner or later the hole "human rights" shit would pop up!!! Nowadays seems like we are more concerned about the rights of wrongdoers than of the rights of the victims. It pisses me off every time i read or hear about a human shit that has killed, raped, robbed, etc... demanding his/hers rights to be respected and to be treated like if was a fucking angel and all the human rights groups are back there , supporting their causes. Shit! what about the victims and their families!!!

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gondath

For the part oif the g-rated movie, you can't be serious. Most mainstream g-rated movies are nothing more than clever marketing designed around drawing in children. It's fluff without any substantial content. I can't believe anyone would claim otherwise. Disney must have more power than ever I thought.

The studies I mentioned were done inside actual prisons. There is no theory to be had here. Everything was proven with real life situations. Do some research.

I hope the pink underwear bit is a joke and not one of the sheriff's implementations. Otherwise, now we not only want to punish these prisoners beyond any common sense but also want to take their dignity away. See the part about taking away recreation from prisoners. Taking their dignity away has the same effect: they have nothing left to lose.

I notice most people here looping every single person in the prison into one group. Not everyone there is a murderer or rapist. In fact, a great majority of the people in prisons are drug offenders. This shreds the commonly held idea that every person who committed a crime is some psychopathic rapist deviant. It seems to me the sheriff couldn't care less who he inflicts pain on or why. He just sounds like an overconfident mean son of a bitch, but that might be assuming too much. He could just be a moron.

pinkie

Tell that to everyone in Tilted politics!

“In the Convention Against Torture of 1984, torture is defined as "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity."




You have no idea whether that is true or not.

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And as for the rest, IT'S PRISON AND NOT MEANT TO BE A FUN PLACE TO HANG OUT.

Torture does nothing but worsen their mental condition, which will have lasting effects on these prisoners. Very highly likely to make them more violent, more irrational, and more willing to break the law, or hurt others. You obviously have no clue about psychological disorders, and the role they play in criminal activity.

This sheriff guy is an inhumane monster.

"Mistrust those in whom the urge to punish is strong." -- Friedrich Nietzsche

Willy

Nice strawman

amonkie

They're standard issue for their prisoner uniform, not anything figurative at all.

As someone who lives in the county Arpaio has jurisdiciton over, I like knowing my part of town is a little safer because people here don't want to end up in Tent City. Human nature will always cause people to err, have conflict of opinion, and make mistakes. Whether or not Arpaio is crossing a line in terms of ethics, morale, or decency, the fact I as a single college girl, and many others in the area feel safer because Arpaio is in charge shows that he's doing what he told the public he would do if he was elected.

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gondath

Just because you feel safer doesn't mean the that sheriff is actually doing a good job. Safety is a mental illusion. You are never safe anywhere at any time. Best of all, most crimes tend to be perpetrated by friends and family, not by strangers. I'd say whether Arpaio is crossing any lines is exactly the thing you should be worried about and not any perception of safety.

I also have never heard of any connection between wearing demeaning undergarments and good behavior. I'd like to hear any arguments supporting it.

skier

I feel that if a prisoner has been convicted, it is because a courtroom full of people have spent a lot of thought on what punishment fit the crime. While some crimes I feel have excessive punishments like marijuana possession and vandalism (graffiti, don't even get me started on that), if you are caught breaking these laws you should face the consequences of those actions. I'm tired of hearing about stories where prisoners get to watch TV and bigger cells. It's just no longer a punishment and america's huge prison population reflects that.

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gondath

Actually, the huge prison population is a result of two things: culture and harsher sentencing on minor offenses. I wouldn't mind prisoners watching TV, depending on what it is. It should operate on a reward system for any channels devoid of obvious educational merit. Incentives tend to work better than handouts or stricter punishments.

KMA-628

I may be wrong here, but don't a rather large group of convicts share one t.v.?

Would that entire group of criminals have to display good behavior to get to watch their soaps?

I understand your reasoning, but it just doesn't apply to a jail. Unless they are lifers (or institutionalized), their incentive is to get out, period.

What are the chances that an entire cell-block is going to behave? I would venture a guess at zero.

A previous poster mentioned the differences between the benfits that convicts get versus what we got in the service. They had it better, believe me. Better food, more sleep, less work, more t.v., more free time, etc., etc.

If people who reside in the area affected by this Sheriff are happy, that is good enough for me. They would know better than anyone else, I imagine.

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wallace1

I notice that so many of the last ten pages of comments have been VERY conservative in nature, I have also noticed through past and previous threads and post's that a large percentage of TFP's enjoy smoking weed. I point this out to say that "people who live in glass houses..." I suggest that many of you familiarize yourselves with some of your communities laws and then determine whether or not you yourselves may be a canidate for a prison sentence. There are MANY laws that quite a many of us would never realize could land us in prison. Please be careful with the self rightous attitudes. Remember, at times it is "there but for the grace of God, goes I".

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gondath

What you said is very true. A synonym for criminal is citizen. A lot of things can get you landed in prison, like the three strikes laws for minor offenses in some states. Then you have nobody to hear your voice but the prisoners and the prison guards.

wallace1

Ahhh, a voice of reason. Thank you, believe me I think that rapist's, murderer's and other violent offenders should get what they truly deserve but it is important to not get carried away in self rightousness and overzealousness.

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kutulu

A lot of people are happy with Sheriff Joke, but it's not because they know better. Arpaio is a media whore, plain and simple. He jumps at any opportunity to get his face on TV or his name in the paper. The major media in Phoenix is VERY friendly to him. There's basically one large newspaper (The Airzona Republic, or the Repulsive), one small paper (East Valley Tribune), and the free weekly New Times paper. The New Times and the Tribune do a pretty good job showing what really goes on with Sheriff Joke

The Repulsive and the TV stations are constantly sucking him off. They almost never speak a foul word about him. Abuses run rampant and his "posse" is a bunch of retired old farts and goons with huge egos.

brianna

here's the problem with this program (i'm ingoring the newt gingrich tapes which i don't find appropriate): i think most everyone would have no arguments if this were a high security prison serving only inmates who have committed violent crimes. However, as in most prisons a large percentage of inmates are being incarcerated for nonviolent crimes ("In terms of federal prison, 57 percent of those incarcerated are for drug offenses. Currently, considering local jails as well, almost a million of those incarcerated are in prison for non-violent crime." http://www.campusprogram.com/referen...opulation.html). and I'm not comfortable with abusing some 19 year old kid who got caught with a joint.

additionally, I find the argument that prisons are so cushy that people WANT to be in them a bit dubious -- cable TV doesn't' make up for having all of your civil liberties taken away and having to endure the dubious inmate social structure (ie gangs, sexual favors, etc). (note that i am not advocating a more luxuriant prison system, just noting that it hardly seems like a picnic either way).

Bill O'Rights

Actually....many years ago, when I was an Air Force cop, the holding cells were painted pink. Pink was found to have a calming effect on the prisoners. That is fact.
Now, as for pretty pink undies...I really don't wanna know how that's going to have a calming effect. But, on the other hand, I suppose that if I'm in a *ahem* position to where another prisoner is in view of my undies...then yeah, I'd want him to be calm. Real calm.

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wallace1

Sheriff Joe probably enjoys kiddie porn while beating his wife and kicking his dog and his cronies probably wear womens underwear.

*Once again, rather than delete this post, the mods thought it would be educational to demonstrate what they feel is clearly not acceptable. While I thought I was being clever and witty, I was in reality not.*

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BigGov

If I remember correctly, the pink underwear isn't to calm the prisoners, but to stop them from stealing them. I didn't understand how they were stealing them, but I guess it was a major problem until they were pink.

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p0thead

wow that is one cool sherriff... i was in jail and it was cake. arts n crafts on wednesday, computer time on thursday, fridays - sunday are visits and free time to play in the yard.

i paid my debt to society and i regret what i did and did not do (thats a whole other story)

KMA-628

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ahhhh, o.k.

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gondath

I am baffled as to why any inmate would steal underwear. I mean it's not like much can happen to them unless you purposefully destroy them and having more of them doesn't do anything for you. That's a little off topic though.

I think I'd go insane with pink holding cells. On second thought, I don't think pink underwear is terribly demeaning. Hopefully, the prisoner won't be in a position for anyone to see them.

Latch

England used to ship it's prisoners to some remote pacific island.. it turned into Australia

(sorry, cheap joke).

I think that if this guy does this to people who are actually guilty, that's good. If he does it to people who are still considered "innocent", then that's bad.

Also, there's a line where "punishment" and "cruel and unusual punishment" meet. He may be hitting or crossing that line. I'm not sure.

Seer666

You're right. And you don't either. So like I said, show me proof.


TORTURE???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! If you call G-rated movies, pink underwear and hard work TORTURE then you really need to reevaluate your view of the world my friend. It's not like he's hooking electrods to their balls here. he makes them work. Just like you, just like me, just like the guy out there in the hot sun building the house you sleep in. I know people that work in areas that would make 12 hours on the chain gang look like a walk in the park. The idea of that being torture is just, well, one of the most absured ideas I've heard in a long time. And as for "inhuman monsters", ask the people that have lost loved ones and been raped by some of the people he's in charge of what an "inhuman monster" is. And no, not all of them are that bad, and some of them are just in there on drug charges, but hard work will do nothing to hurt them either.

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ibis

I agree with *most* of what he does.

But staying outside in a tent in Phoenix is simply not cool (no pun intended). I grew up in north Phoenix, iso I can attest to how damn hot it gets. Hopefully someone doesn't have to die before that's changed.

wallace1

I'm a little confused by the posting to my comment by the moderator, but if I offended anyone or overstepped the boudaries of good taste then I apologize. I was, however, kidding.

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BigGov

Either way, I would advise against using such comments, especially in a serious conversation.

And ibis, at least it's a dry heat. I'd much rather take a dry 100 than a muggy high 80's.

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