dpratt1

I think that what the judge did was something that a lot of people wish they could do. I applaud him for telling these people that they need to grow up. However, what he did was also clearly unconstitutional. What if the woman gets pregnant again? Would the court force her to have an abortion like in communist China? What if she got pregnant from a different man? Would that count against the judge's ruling?

shakran

It said what would happen right in the article. They (or she, if with a different man) would be found in contempt of court. That means she gets jailed, fined, or both.

Lebell

Western culture in general is due for a renaissance in philosophy, and sexuality/morality must be included.

In otherwords, with the advances in medicine and our understanding of how drugs affect children, we need to figure out how to balance personal freedom with responsibility.

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cameroncrazy822

I definately know some couples who should have seen this judge before contemplating having kids...

fallen_angel

In my opinion there are certain occasions that ones rights should be waived. This should be when the person in question has over stepped the boundaries and no longer has earned the right to have rights. these parents who have neglected their childrens right to live in this country and have all the benifits that should have been givin to them by their parents, should be forced to never have children again. If you are not prepared to have children by the time the fourth one comes around dont you think they need a wake up call. maybe becoming sterile will make them realize all the horrible things they have been doing. and if they dont realize it then that just means that that is one or two more of their children our tax dollars dont have to support just because they think they can fuck like rabbits and let other people take care of their responsibilities.

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Cynthetiq

Rights guaranteed by The US Constiutional are waived all the time. Convicted Felons cannot vote and cannot bear arms.

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Averett

Good.

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Jam

id choose jail

erion

I can honestly say that, despite the fact that I agree with the judge's ruling, I can also see why people have a problem with it.

Let's look at facts:
The Judge didn't say "No More Sex." he said "No More kids until you can care for the ones you've already produced." The couple will face no sanctions at all unless they produce a fifth offspring before they take responsibility for the first four.

They are not being forced into sterilization, though it was offered to them at no personal expense. What would you choose to pay -- $2000 each right now to prevent or a fifth lifetime of expenses to care for kids fucked up beyond comprehension by being exposed to cocaine in the womb?

No where did the ruling state she'd have to abort the fetus if she did become pregnant. At the very least I would expect them to throw her ass in jail and get her off the drugs so the baby is born healthy before it immediately becomes a ward of the state.

This isn't licensing people to have kids. It's preventing people who have proven beyond any shadow of a reasonable doubt that they have no intention whatsover of caring for kids that they do have from having any more.

If I can't afford car insurance, I can't drive. The state doesn't sponsor insurance for my car. Is that infringing on my rights?

If I can't afford a new PC, I can't get one short of breaking the law. The state doesn't subsidize my PC desires. Does that infringe on my rights?

These stupid fuckers can't afford more kids. The state is already footing the bill for the four kids they've abandoned. I think they're well an truly within the bounds of law and common sense to keep from subsidizing the fruits of the loins of these two morons. For Christ's sake if they want to keep on fucking at least get some goddamned free birth control. All they have to do to keep out of jail is not get her pregnant.

Could this get out of control? Very easily, but I applaud this ruling and sincerely hope it sets precedent for deadbeat dads and welfare reform alike. I honestly see it as being no different than forcing a known drunk driver to breathalyze before his car will start. If you can't be trusted to be responsible, we'll take steps to make sure you don't harm yourself or others.

Redgirl

I really do think there should be mandatory parenting classes for anyone wanting to have a child or already expecting one.

If it could be done the right way, I would even advocate a "test" of some kind to determine if people are at least capable of being fit parents. This could be psychological, not an IQ test. Just something to identify potential abusers before they have a child to start in on.

Would this really be so bad? I don't think money should factor in, but I do think you should be responsible enough to know you shouldn't have more children than you can feed. One of the reasons I don't have kids right now is I can't afford them. Why don't other's seem to feel this way?

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Merlocke

If people are too irresponsible to have children - they shouldn't.

/wishes that folks like these won Darwin awards to prevent themselves from adding to the genepool

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ForgottenKnight

*Gives the judge a standing obation*

I agree with the ruling. I don't think it has anything to do with their finances. It never once said they were too poor to care for the children. If they can afford the drugs, then they can easily afford to take care of the children! I think that these people need to be forced into rehab, forced to come clean, and then forced to take a parenting class. Only after that would I allow them to get their children back, and only after they prove that they can take care of those should they be allowed to have more. It's not fair for the children to be born into a world where they're not going to be cared for. These people need that wakeup call, and the judge was giving it to them.

Education. That's how you prevent the abuse.

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bermuDa

education would prevent a lot of these unwanted children in the first place.

This is not a case of forced sterlization. The state isn't telling a poor working class couple not to have sex. This is a pair of negligent drug addicted parents being told not to have any more children when they cannot/will not take care of the FOUR children they already have.

taxes are the price we pay as citizens for the benefits of our government. Social services are an example of the benefits of government that lots of us taxpayers DON'T see.

It's our responsibility to be considerate and care for these kids when their parents are too busy snorting cocaine or smoking crack (with a bun in the oven) to buy cereal for them... but we can't tell these unfit parents that they shouldn't have any more children?

.....no.

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billege

Works for me.

That about does it for me. If they're that interested in what happens to them and their children, then let what will happen, happen.

If society doesn't start making the tough calls like this, we're fucked. That much is obvious.

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Chiuey

Maybe it's just me but I think you're missing some of the important points of this ruling. First I do agree with you that the state has no right to tell this couple that they can no longer have children. But that's not what the ruling says. The ruling says that the couple should not have anymore children until their current children are out of foster care, meaning that they can take care of these children themselves. Now whether or not this couple attempts to change their lifestyles toget their kids back, the choice is up to them.
Now say the ruling is reversed, and by chance this couple have another child, and it dies at birth or shortly after birth or maybe even before birth, shouldn't they be charged with premeditated murder since they have been told that what they are doing to their bodies can't possibly be good for their "unborn" child? Threr should be no room for ignorance here, not after the media the fact that this whole ruling has been blown out of portions.
And just one more thing, you comment about taxation...Maybe in England, taxation take back from the rich and distributed to the masses, but in the US, it doesn't work that way. There's a good reason why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, it because of rich republican law makers making laws that mostly benefits themselves so that everyone else can't help but get screwed by these assholes. I'm not one for tax cut, I would like more taxes, and have that money be spent properly on education, healthcare and other things are actually do matter to common people like myself. Never the less, I fail to see how any of these chages will occur in my life time.