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feelgood · 01-22-2004, 08:38 AM

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NEW YORK (AP) -- The black car hit her first, striking Natalie Guzman as she tried to cross a Queens street to buy a bag of potato chips. The 18-year-old managed to get to her feet before she was hit again, by a white car.

About four minutes later, her friends dove for cover as a black sport utility vehicle hurtled through the 30 mph zone at an estimated 80 mph. Guzman, who could not move, was killed instantly.

Police searched for the three hit-and-run drivers Wednesday in the kind of crime that tends to reinforce New Yorkers' reputation as a cold-hearted lot.

City Councilman Eric Gioia said the case reminded him of that of Kitty Genovese, who was killed on a Queens street in 1964 while dozens of people watched from their windows and did nothing.

"It shocks the conscience that three separate people would be so callous as to mow someone down and just keep on going," Gioia said.

Guzman's family contended that she was intentionally killed, saying she had feared for her life since a bar fight two weeks earlier.

"The family thinks her death may have something to do with that fight," said neighbor Olimpia Urena, who acted as a translator for Guzman's mother and aunt. The family came from the Dominican Republic.

Police said only that they are still investigating all possibilities and looking into whether the drivers even knew they had hit someone.

Guzman's life ended Sunday morning, shortly after she left Los Primos Tournament Billiards on Roosevelt Avenue in Corona, Queens, a heavily Hispanic neighborhood about two blocks from the one-bedroom apartment she shared with her 15-month-old daughter, Laritza, and her mother, Miriam Toribio. This stretch of Roosevelt Avenue is home to several bars and social clubs.

Urena said Guzman dropped out of high school after becoming pregnant but had recently decided to get her life back on track.

"She said she wanted to make her life normal, she wanted to do something with her life," Urena said. "She was studying to get her GED and after that, she planned to go to LaGuardia Community College."

Guzman even had a job interview to sell cosmetics lined up this week, Urena added.

"She was a very friendly girl, very helpful," Urena said. "If she saw me with my shopping bags, she would always help me. She didn't deserve what happened to her."

A witness told police that Guzman had left the pool hall to go to a bodega across the street.

The first car, traveling at about 60 to 70 mph, struck Guzman as she attempted to cross the two-lane street, which runs underneath the elevated subway tracks and has cars parked along the sides of the road, the witness said.

The second car was also going about 60 to 70 mph, the witness said.

As Guzman lay in the street, her friends discovered her and tried to help. They told police they believed she was still breathing. Then the SUV came barreling toward them.

Urena said Guzman's family finds it hard to believe that three people could run over her, and none of them would stop.

I don't know about you but it just seem fishy for the girl to be hit once and then hit again...Makes you want to move to NY City eh!? Not!!!

numist · 01-22-2004, 08:43 AM

I read this a while ago, makes me sad to be a human.

Whenever I hit anything in my car that I didnt see, I stop and check.

If I did see it, and it was (is?) alive, I stop and check.

Hit and run drivers are among the worst people in existence.

Bill O'Rights · 01-22-2004, 08:53 AM

Let's see now...30mph zone...hit by not one, but two cars traveling between 60-70mph...and finally finished off by an SUV going 80mph. Fishy doesn't even begin to describe this.

Either it was an intentional "hit", or the NYPD needs to monitor that stretch of road a little more closely. As I recall from driving in Brooklyn, a few years ago, it's kinda hard to even get to 30mph while driving under those elevated tracks.

Nefir · 01-22-2004, 09:04 AM

Well, I live in New York City, and this is a really sad event, but it does NOT reflect everyday life in the city, nor does it reflect the average New Yorker's attitude.

I'm really saddened by this tragedy, but also pissed off at the following:

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the kind of crime that tends to reinforce New Yorkers' reputation as a cold-hearted lot.

The 2003 blackout should have proved that thats not the case...

This death seems extremely suspicious - three cars in a row, all speeding dangerously, all hit and run... I don't know, but this does not seem like your normal accident. It seems like a calculated, planned, and well-executed murder. *shrug*

Cynthetiq · 01-22-2004, 09:16 AM

Having lived on Queens Blvd, known as the Boulevard of Death, I never crossed the street. I'd watch people get munched there all the time.

It's dangerous in that area. There are several places in NYC that are dangerous like that, and those that live in those neighborhoods know just how dangerous it is, or they don't get to cross the street very often.

krwlz · 01-22-2004, 09:32 AM

Ive said it before and Ill say it again... Shit like this makes my faith in humanity plummet.

Why would I want to help people in world where this happens?

G_Whiz · 01-22-2004, 09:33 AM

I don't live in NYC, but I don't think you can blame it on the city. I have heard similar stories here in California.

Remember, that idiots can live anywhere. There are just more journalists to report about them in NYC.

gilada · 01-22-2004, 09:48 AM

If it's such a bad speed zone, the cops should be monitoring it. If nothing else, it's money in the bank for them.

moonstrucksoul · 01-22-2004, 10:06 AM

that is a sad strange story.

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Originally posted by numist
Whenever I hit anything in my car that I didnt see, I stop and check.

i once saw a show on Obsessive Compulsive Disorders, and this one guy had to stop like every block to make sure that he hadn't hit something with his car. he was really bad.

Phaenx · 01-22-2004, 10:28 AM

Why have you forsaken us, Superman?

SaltPork · 01-22-2004, 10:59 AM

It was a hit, pure and simple.

water_boy1999 · 01-22-2004, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by Nefir
Well, I live in New York City, and this is a really sad event, but it does NOT reflect everyday life in the city, nor does it reflect the average New Yorker's attitude.

I'm really saddened by this tragedy, but also pissed off at the following:

The 2003 blackout should have proved that thats not the case...

This death seems extremely suspicious - three cars in a row, all speeding dangerously, all hit and run... I don't know, but this does not seem like your normal accident. It seems like a calculated, planned, and well-executed murder. *shrug*

Calculated, planned, and well-executed murder? You would think that if this was murder, they would assume the woman would be dead after the first car. I don't think this was planned. Just a bizarre sequence of events.

Holo · 01-22-2004, 12:55 PM

I know not all NYers are bad ppl, but for many their attitude even follows them wherever they go

We have an abundance of New Yorkers come down here to Florida for some reason. I guess because it gets crowded and they want to get away frm the cold. But the problem is many bring the infamous NYC attitude with them. They're loud, they're careless drivers, they're inconsiderate. All the things NYC is infamous for, they do. Sure, other people come from other states and they're morons but NY has the highest relocation rate to Florida.

Article about NY relocation to FL:

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflor...4/daily29.html

From what experience I've had personally with these transplants and heard from numerous others I don't doubt for one second that people get mowed down there regularly, and my theory is where human life is overly abundant it's worth less to members of society. They're reviled here because they carry over those traits here.

quadro2000 · 01-22-2004, 01:00 PM

Yes, everybody stay out of New York City, or you will get run over! Mark my words! And look both ways!

G_Whiz · 01-22-2004, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by quadro2000
Yes, everybody stay out of New York City, or you will get run over! Mark my words! And look both ways!

Are you threatening us quadro?? I have this picture of you and Cynthetiq barreling down on me in a Mini.

bernadette · 01-22-2004, 02:26 PM

gah. sounds like intentional murder to me.

not knowing new york, it sounds like she lived in a rough area & hung out in rough places with rough people...
wonder what the fight was about?

chrisg299 · 01-22-2004, 03:13 PM

crazy world we live in sometimes :-/

forseti-6 · 01-22-2004, 06:08 PM

Please, that was Queens. Everyone knows Manhattan is the only borough that counts

. *waits for flames*

thejoker130 · 01-22-2004, 06:26 PM

*Sigh* When i was in NY I saw some crazy shit.
The one instance i can remember off the top of my head was a stretch Hummer cutting off a crosstown bus in rush hour trafic and almost ramming an ambulance that had it's lights and siren going...

Strange city....

cait987 · 01-22-2004, 06:37 PM

I live in Las Vegas and I can tell you some crazy shit happens and people get in some car accidents that make you go wtf?

A few weeks ago I remember going through a intersection and there was a huge traffic jam .. somehow a guy was going backwards in a forward lane and then the other guy was going sideways and hit the guy going backwards.

The thing is both of them didnt spin much and were really going that way .. Alchohal + lights + cars = bad city ><

And back to the story ... Ive seen crazy shit happen but the odds of them not stopping if they hit someone that hard are slim I mean when you hit a rock you can feel a huge bump but hitting a person? that would be one hell of a bump and a pretty damn big dent.

so I say a hit and run ..

World's King · 01-22-2004, 06:38 PM

Isn't staying out of New York City a good rule for general life?

onodrim · 01-22-2004, 09:40 PM

Wow, what a sad story. For three different cars to all hit her and have none of them stop just seems way to bizarre to be purely accidental, although anything is possible I suppose.
/me is gonna remember to look twice before crossing the street again.

PorscheBunny · 01-23-2004, 12:17 AM

Isn't there a sign at once entrance to Queens that says "Welcome to Queens, Now Go Home!" ?

Sounds like a murder, not three accidents.

Did anyone shoot any of the hit-and-run cars? What happened to New Yorkers being armed to the teeth?

Plan9Senior · 01-23-2004, 12:48 AM

NY is good.... for me to poop on

tenchi069 · 01-23-2004, 03:08 AM

I helped a friend of mine move to Brooklyn. During the 2 1/2 days I was actually in the city and just outside I found that the polar opposite of the cold-hearted stereo type to be true. Everyone I interacted with, without exception, went out of their way to help us. I had never ridden on a subway before and when it took off and I wasn't yet seated I almost fell on this one woman. Fortunately my friend caught me, and after excusing myself to the woman, she politely made conversation and tried to make me not feel so bad about it. Then while on the same ride, a woman got off the train and forgot her purse, 2 guys held the doors open ( to prevent the train from moving, and 1 guy bolted out the door to give the woman her purse back and jumped back on the train. The movers my friend hired not only finished the job, but when they heard I needed to go to Manhattan to the bus terminal they offered us a ride there in their van so we didnt have to wait on the subway. There was a locksmith that had to help us get the keys out of our vehicle, and when we asked where the nearest gas station was, rather than just telling us, offered to lead us there, even though it was out of the way. That is just a few of many, many interactions I had with New York and it's residents and every single one of them was a great experience.

mystix · 01-23-2004, 06:28 AM

i've seen 90's in a 15 mph zone, but this is baad.

Dano069 · 01-23-2004, 09:09 AM

It's not only NY. This happened in the Chicagoland area this week. It also appears to be a "hit" The girl was hit twice by the same car, no lights on. She had been threatened before this happened. She was only 18.

ratbastid · 01-23-2004, 09:16 AM

I've never been to NY, but I want to go there! I guess I just need a map of which intersections to stay the hell away from.

timalkin · 01-23-2004, 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by PorscheBunny

Did anyone shoot any of the hit-and-run cars? What happened to New Yorkers being armed to the teeth?

New York is one of the best gun-free utopias in the United States.

I go to school with a bunch of kids from New York, and they're all assholes.

Midnight_Son · 01-23-2004, 09:46 AM

Head over baby give me your hand
Check out the high spots the lay of the land
Need a little rockin' in my big limousine
Oooh, come on over baby and I'll make you obscene

I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City

All over the city and all of the dives
Don't mess with this place, it'll eat you alive
Got a lip smackin' honey to suck off the jam
I'm on top of the world ma' ready to slam

I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City

Runnin' all over like a jumpin' bean
Take a look at that thing in the tight assed jeans
Comin' your way, now, you might be in luck
Don't you fret boys, she's ready to buck

I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City

I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City
I feel safe in New York City

Let it rip

New York
New York
New York

I feel safe in a cage in New York City

Throw away the key

01-22-2004, 08:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	Let's see now...30mph zone...hit by not one, but two cars traveling between 60-70mph...and finally finished off by an SUV going 80mph. Fishy doesn't even begin to describe this. Either it was an intentional "hit", or the NYPD needs to monitor that stretch of road a little more closely. As I recall from driving in Brooklyn, a few years ago, it's kinda hard to even get to 30mph while driving under those elevated tracks. __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

01-22-2004, 09:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	Having lived on Queens Blvd, known as the Boulevard of Death, I never crossed the street. I'd watch people get munched there all the time. It's dangerous in that area. There are several places in NYC that are dangerous like that, and those that live in those neighborhoods know just how dangerous it is, or they don't get to cross the street very often. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

01-22-2004, 09:33 AM	#7 (permalink)
G_Whiz Junkie Location: Northern California	I don't live in NYC, but I don't think you can blame it on the city. I have heard similar stories here in California. Remember, that idiots can live anywhere. There are just more journalists to report about them in NYC. __________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?

01-22-2004, 09:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
gilada Psycho Location: Dallas, Tx	If it's such a bad speed zone, the cops should be monitoring it. If nothing else, it's money in the bank for them. __________________ Hey, this isn't rocket surgery. See my futurephone pics at: http://gilada.textamerica.com See my DVD's at: http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mycollection.asp?alias=gilada

01-22-2004, 10:28 AM	#10 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Why have you forsaken us, Superman? __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

01-22-2004, 08:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
numist Banned Location: UCSD, 510.49 miles from my love	I read this a while ago, makes me sad to be a human. Whenever I hit anything in my car that I didnt see, I stop and check. If I did see it, and it was (is?) alive, I stop and check. Hit and run drivers are among the worst people in existence.

01-22-2004, 09:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	Ive said it before and Ill say it again... Shit like this makes my faith in humanity plummet. Why would I want to help people in world where this happens?

01-22-2004, 10:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
SaltPork Everything's better with bacon Location: In your local grocer's freezer.	It was a hit, pure and simple. __________________ It was like that when I got here....I swear.

01-22-2004, 12:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
Holo A Real American	I know not all NYers are bad ppl, but for many their attitude even follows them wherever they go We have an abundance of New Yorkers come down here to Florida for some reason. I guess because it gets crowded and they want to get away frm the cold. But the problem is many bring the infamous NYC attitude with them. They're loud, they're careless drivers, they're inconsiderate. All the things NYC is infamous for, they do. Sure, other people come from other states and they're morons but NY has the highest relocation rate to Florida. Article about NY relocation to FL: http://www.bizjournals.com/southflor...4/daily29.html From what experience I've had personally with these transplants and heard from numerous others I don't doubt for one second that people get mowed down there regularly, and my theory is where human life is overly abundant it's worth less to members of society. They're reviled here because they carry over those traits here. __________________ I happen to like the words "fuck", "cock", "pussy", "tits", "cunt", "twat", "shit" and even "bitch". As long as I am not using them to describe you, don't go telling me whether or not I can/should use them...that is, if you want me to continue refraining from using them to describe you. ~Prince Last edited by Holo; 01-22-2004 at 12:57 PM..

01-22-2004, 01:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
quadro2000 All Possibility, Made Of Custard Location: New York, NY	Yes, everybody stay out of New York City, or you will get run over! Mark my words! And look both ways! __________________ You have to laugh at yourself...because you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't. - Emily Saliers

01-22-2004, 02:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
bernadette ::::::::::::::::::::::::: :. Location: this ain't kansas, toto	gah. sounds like intentional murder to me. not knowing new york, it sounds like she lived in a rough area & hung out in rough places with rough people... wonder what the fight was about? __________________ .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.

01-22-2004, 03:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
chrisg299 Tilted	crazy world we live in sometimes :-/

01-22-2004, 06:08 PM	#18 (permalink)
forseti-6 Existentialist Location: New York City	Please, that was Queens. Everyone knows Manhattan is the only borough that counts . waits for flames __________________ "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened." - Dr. Seuss

01-22-2004, 06:26 PM	#19 (permalink)
thejoker130 Insane Location: slippery rock university AKA: The left ass cheek of the world	Sigh When i was in NY I saw some crazy shit. The one instance i can remember off the top of my head was a stretch Hummer cutting off a crosstown bus in rush hour trafic and almost ramming an ambulance that had it's lights and siren going... Strange city.... __________________ WHAT MORE CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN? ------------------------------------- I like you. When the world is mine your death will be quick and painless.

01-22-2004, 06:37 PM	#20 (permalink)
cait987 Insane	I live in Las Vegas and I can tell you some crazy shit happens and people get in some car accidents that make you go wtf? A few weeks ago I remember going through a intersection and there was a huge traffic jam .. somehow a guy was going backwards in a forward lane and then the other guy was going sideways and hit the guy going backwards. The thing is both of them didnt spin much and were really going that way .. Alchohal + lights + cars = bad city >< And back to the story ... Ive seen crazy shit happen but the odds of them not stopping if they hit someone that hard are slim I mean when you hit a rock you can feel a huge bump but hitting a person? that would be one hell of a bump and a pretty damn big dent. so I say a hit and run ..

01-22-2004, 06:38 PM	#21 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	Isn't staying out of New York City a good rule for general life? __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

01-22-2004, 09:40 PM	#22 (permalink)
onodrim Cosmically Curious Location: Chicago, IL	Wow, what a sad story. For three different cars to all hit her and have none of them stop just seems way to bizarre to be purely accidental, although anything is possible I suppose. /me is gonna remember to look twice before crossing the street again. __________________ "The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there’s little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides" -Carl Sagan

01-23-2004, 12:17 AM	#23 (permalink)
PorscheBunny Insane	Isn't there a sign at once entrance to Queens that says "Welcome to Queens, Now Go Home!" ? Sounds like a murder, not three accidents. Did anyone shoot any of the hit-and-run cars? What happened to New Yorkers being armed to the teeth? __________________ This post has been sanitized for your protection by the Ministry of Information of Oceania. Last edited by PorscheBunny; 01-23-2004 at 01:05 AM..

01-23-2004, 12:48 AM	#24 (permalink)
Plan9Senior Banned Location: Orange County, California	NY is good.... for me to poop on

01-23-2004, 03:08 AM	#25 (permalink)
tenchi069 Lost Location: One step closer to the padded cell...	I helped a friend of mine move to Brooklyn. During the 2 1/2 days I was actually in the city and just outside I found that the polar opposite of the cold-hearted stereo type to be true. Everyone I interacted with, without exception, went out of their way to help us. I had never ridden on a subway before and when it took off and I wasn't yet seated I almost fell on this one woman. Fortunately my friend caught me, and after excusing myself to the woman, she politely made conversation and tried to make me not feel so bad about it. Then while on the same ride, a woman got off the train and forgot her purse, 2 guys held the doors open ( to prevent the train from moving, and 1 guy bolted out the door to give the woman her purse back and jumped back on the train. The movers my friend hired not only finished the job, but when they heard I needed to go to Manhattan to the bus terminal they offered us a ride there in their van so we didnt have to wait on the subway. There was a locksmith that had to help us get the keys out of our vehicle, and when we asked where the nearest gas station was, rather than just telling us, offered to lead us there, even though it was out of the way. That is just a few of many, many interactions I had with New York and it's residents and every single one of them was a great experience. __________________ ERROR- PLBSAK Problem Lies Between Seat and Keyboard.

01-23-2004, 06:28 AM	#26 (permalink)
mystix Tilted	i've seen 90's in a 15 mph zone, but this is baad.

01-23-2004, 09:09 AM	#27 (permalink)
Dano069 is Nucking Futs! Location: On the edge of sanity	It's not only NY. This happened in the Chicagoland area this week. It also appears to be a "hit" The girl was hit twice by the same car, no lights on. She had been threatened before this happened. She was only 18. __________________ I may look attentive, but I'm taking peeks down your blouse faster than the human eye can follow.

01-23-2004, 09:16 AM	#28 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	I've never been to NY, but I want to go there! I guess I just need a map of which intersections to stay the hell away from.

01-23-2004, 09:46 AM	#30 (permalink)
Midnight_Son The Cover Doesn't Match The Book Location: in a van down by the river	Head over baby give me your hand Check out the high spots the lay of the land Need a little rockin' in my big limousine Oooh, come on over baby and I'll make you obscene I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City All over the city and all of the dives Don't mess with this place, it'll eat you alive Got a lip smackin' honey to suck off the jam I'm on top of the world ma' ready to slam I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City Runnin' all over like a jumpin' bean Take a look at that thing in the tight assed jeans Comin' your way, now, you might be in luck Don't you fret boys, she's ready to buck I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City I feel safe in New York City Let it rip New York New York New York I feel safe in a cage in New York City Throw away the key __________________ SWM, tattooed, seeks meaningful tits and beer. Enjoys biker mags, pornography, and Sunday morning walks to the liquor store. Winners of erotic hot dog eating contests given priority.