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mimiartele · 11-24-2003, 04:32 PM

these charges don't have a thing to do with michael jackson's talent, generosity or childhood.

some part of me empathizes with anyone being sent to jail but that's what needs to happen.

whether michael jackson is some emotional developmentally-arrested peter pan manchild is irrelevant. those children he slept with were not.

Drider_it · 11-24-2003, 05:23 PM

Man, where to begin my short tangent here lol.. but anyways.

I liked a few of his songs, then grew tired of his lameness of a celebrity. When i saw him hang a child, (speculations are still out wether its a live or doll), out a bedroom window.. My mind was made up.. the dude had to go down. (he is a dude right?)

then the child thing miffed me.. wondering? read my sig below heh.

now they got a chance. soon this sorry sucker will have inmates singing his song "beat it" to him day and night. yeah see, no matter what prision you go in.. no matter what they had done.. remember this. they hate child molesters.. they usually get owned.

hey M.J. lol that glove trick wont work with you like it did with O.J.

Fire · 11-24-2003, 08:24 PM

I dont know- my gut reaction to the man is and always has been aversion- I think that he is guilty, but despite this I am (as usual) pissed at the media's handling of the situation- also, much of my reaction has no doubt been shaped by the media's portrayl, and I doubt that any of us would like the minute details of our lives showcased to the world- all in all its a bad scene- and I doubt it will leave the world more enriched or improved

wannabenakid247 · 11-25-2003, 06:16 AM

I agree with Gak, Numist and Lordjeebus.

I feel very sorry for the guy, he is obviously extremely fucked up but that does not make him a child abuser. I am however not 100% sure that he isn't as you can never be sure. If my kid had been abused i wouldn't settle for money I would want justice and i think it is suspicious that they did settle for it.

I believe innocent until proven guilty so we will have to wait and see.

mingusfingers · 11-25-2003, 03:03 PM

I didn't know his music too well growing up, just in the last couple of years listened to his old stuff. Makes no difference to me, than any other celebrity. If he's guilty, sure, lock him up.

txlovely · 11-25-2003, 04:27 PM

Now it is being reported the company he and his lawyer chartered the plane from that took them from Las Vegas to L.A. taped their conversations and has been trying to sell those tapes to media outlets. Now I'm no MJ fan, but that's just low.

From CNN:

"Geragos said he and Jackson were recorded while flying between Las Vegas, Nevada, and Santa Barbara, California, where the singer surrendered to authorities on suspicion of child molestation Thursday.

Geragos said his legal team obtained a restraining order from a court in Los Angeles that prohibits XtraJet, the airline that he said placed the cameras aboard the plane, from disseminating tapes of the conversations."

Don't suppose that the celebs that can afford to charter those jets will be doing so in the future.

YourLocalHNIC · 11-25-2003, 04:52 PM

You know, to be honest, I have this strange feeling that this whole thing is bullshit. I'm still stuck on the fact th at R. Kelly got off and no one has heard too much about the outcome of a idiot who actually videotaped himself with minors. Geeezzz, how stupid could you frigg'n be. But, Jackson on the other hand, he may be weird and a "bit" (haha) color tainted still hasn't had sound evidence presented to the public. Hell, I can convince my 13 yr old daughter to admit that Jackson fondled her and make her like it for $20 million. Honestly, think about it. WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOR $20 MILLION DOLLARS USD?

Just a lil to the left, no, a lil more
Ok, curve it up, higher, higher.... Ahhhhh, that's the spot......
lol

YourLocalHNIC · 11-25-2003, 04:54 PM

Oh yeah, if you think Jackson is a menace, what do you think about all these dayum priests pocking these young boys all day everyday. That is a mother#@$@#%$ shame, and who's doing something about that? The Pope can't even control his peeps, actually, I wonder how many he's had himself....

Just something to ponder.....

txlovely · 11-25-2003, 04:59 PM

Uh, you're going to hell for that you know...

Conclamo Ludus · 12-01-2003, 10:34 AM

Here's an interesting outlook. Stanley Crouch's opinion piece on R. Kelly has a couple of things to say about M.J. too. The fact that M.J. leads such a bizarre lifestyle as it is, he gets a lot less flak from the press than R. Kelly.

STORY LINK

Quote:

Applause should stop
for disgraced rapper R. Kelly

Given his own upcoming trials, popular rhythm and blues singer and songwriter R. Kelly might hope he can slink through with his career intact because of the attention and repulsion Michael Jackson is magnetizing.

After all, in 2002 Kelly was slapped with a 21-count indictment for possession of child pornography material in Chicago and was soon smacked with 12 more counts in Florida. The trouble, amplified by an underground videotape of someone who looked exactly like the singer having sex with an underage girl and then urinating on her, brought down a storm of gossip, discussion, recrimination.

Then the paper chains were put on Kelly as the pariah for a short while. The singer went on BET and implied he was attracted to underage girls in such a powerful way that, "I been crying for a long time, even in my music, as far as trying to battle this storm within myself."

Yet just last month, the paper chains snapped. At the Vibe Awards in Santa Monica, Calif., Kelly received the R&B Vanguard Award for "continuing the legacy of R&B with innovation." His "The Chocolate Factory" was released to good reviews, and not long afterward a judge - obviously as impressed by Kelly's artistry as were the editors at Vibe magazine - gave him permission to do limited tours.

He recently performed at a Texas benefit for soldiers in Iraq, of whom he said, with no irony, "They have my utmost respect, because if it wasn't for them protecting our land, none of us would be able to live the way we do."

Perhaps, if he is guilty, Kelly is more of an all-American guy than not, since 66% of the children born in California during the '90s were sired by men in their middle 20s who had impregnated girls just old enough to become mothers, reported Leah Latimore for BET online. Latimore is correct in her assessment of the moral laxity in our society to such an extent that she can write, "I suspect the strongest reason for the lack of prosecution and parental outrage is that we have accepted the sexualization of children at younger and younger ages even as we loathe it."

But that is restricted to female children, which is why Jackson is in greater trouble. The hypocritical line is drawn at homosexual exploitation of children while pop culture roars at full blast creating an easily exploited American girl who is "a runaway child running wild."

Hypocrites all, Kelly's defenders have leaped back to the severe, contemptuous 18th century vision of children as miniature adults fully capable of willful evil, blaming the girls themselves for supposedly trying to be grown up, while the industry itself has to bob and weave to avoid being accused of the ruthless, money-driven degradation of black people, women and American youth at large.

If Kelly turns out to be guilty, I sincerely hope his fall helps topple the entire industry. It well deserves it.

Originally published on December 1, 2003

space-n-'cord · 12-01-2003, 04:07 PM

MJ is innocent on all counts.

Spire · 12-01-2003, 07:43 PM

just cuz hes weird doesnt mean hes crazy so maybe hes gotten addicted to plastic surgery that doesnt make him catholic

Plaid13 · 12-02-2003, 10:43 AM

if they send him to prison hes going to wish he was still a normal black man instead of the little white girl he is now. im pretty sure most prisons keep sex offenders together away from the other prisoners to keep them from getting killed. but that also means he would be grouped with all the rapests.
Just a thought in case everyone else didnt think of it.

anleja · 01-08-2005, 10:00 AM

Bringing back this old thread... TheSmokingGun.com posted a bunch of stuff a couple days ago... if only 10% of it is true, than he should spend his life in jail, IMO.

Strange Famous · 01-08-2005, 10:25 AM

I would say - first of all - I am suspicious that people making the allegations are going to law firms, and not the police. What is the motive - what is the motive of the first person you dropped their case in 1993 when they were paid off? if I had been abused, I would want justice, and I wouldnt touch the money of the person who did it to me.

I am not sure Jackson is morally responsible for his actions - whatever they are, in a very real sense I am not sure that he does understand what is right and wrong in this regard.

I think it is impossible for him to have a fair trial - clearly he has done things which are impropper, and I think he will be sent down, in my opinion it would be most appropriate for him to be committed to physciatric care... although I am not sure he will ever get better,

People can point at his hard childhood, but as has been pointed out, mant people have lived through worse and broken the cycle... Jackson has had more opportunities than most, but everything he has had has corrupted him. I just think he is not sane.

Arsenic7 · 01-08-2005, 05:38 PM

I don't see how any of you could POSSIBLY have enough information to decide whether or not Jackson is a pedophile/pedarest/whatever.

You simply don't have any good evidence...this is something our justice system will have to decide.

It seems like whenever these court cases get put on tv, everybody has to act as though they're some sort of expert. It really is disgusting to me. I guess I just don't like to see people judge others unless they know of their actions first hand.

01-08-2005, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arsenic7

I don't see how any of you could POSSIBLY have enough information to decide whether or not Jackson is a pedophile/pedarest/whatever.

You simply don't have any good evidence...this is something our justice system will have to decide.

It seems like whenever these court cases get put on tv, everybody has to act as though they're some sort of expert. It really is disgusting to me. I guess I just don't like to see people judge others unless they know of their actions first hand.

quite right.

Scorps · 01-08-2005, 06:11 PM

They better lock him up for good..I want to see that scum rot in jail

11-24-2003, 04:32 PM	#121 (permalink)
mimiartele Tilted Location: usa	these charges don't have a thing to do with michael jackson's talent, generosity or childhood. some part of me empathizes with anyone being sent to jail but that's what needs to happen. whether michael jackson is some emotional developmentally-arrested peter pan manchild is irrelevant. those children he slept with were not. __________________ www.artelevision.com

11-24-2003, 05:23 PM	#122 (permalink)
Drider_it Junkie Location: Louisiana	Man, where to begin my short tangent here lol.. but anyways. I liked a few of his songs, then grew tired of his lameness of a celebrity. When i saw him hang a child, (speculations are still out wether its a live or doll), out a bedroom window.. My mind was made up.. the dude had to go down. (he is a dude right?) then the child thing miffed me.. wondering? read my sig below heh. now they got a chance. soon this sorry sucker will have inmates singing his song "beat it" to him day and night. yeah see, no matter what prision you go in.. no matter what they had done.. remember this. they hate child molesters.. they usually get owned. hey M.J. lol that glove trick wont work with you like it did with O.J. __________________ It means only one thing, and everything: Cut. Once committed to fight, Cut. Everything else is secondary. Cut. That is your duty, your purpose, your hunger. There is no rule more important, no commitment that overrides that one. Cut. The lines are a portrayal of the dance. Cut from the void, not from bewilderment. Cut the enemy as quickly and directly as possible. Cut with certainty. Cut decisively, resoultely. Cut into his strength. Flow through the gaps in his guard. Cut him. Cut him down utterly. Don't allow him a breath. Crush him. Cut him without mercy to the depth of his spirit. It is the balance to life: death. It is the dance with death. It is the law a war wizard lives by, or he dies.

11-24-2003, 08:24 PM	#123 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	I dont know- my gut reaction to the man is and always has been aversion- I think that he is guilty, but despite this I am (as usual) pissed at the media's handling of the situation- also, much of my reaction has no doubt been shaped by the media's portrayl, and I doubt that any of us would like the minute details of our lives showcased to the world- all in all its a bad scene- and I doubt it will leave the world more enriched or improved __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

11-25-2003, 03:03 PM	#125 (permalink)
mingusfingers Psycho Location: uhhhh	I didn't know his music too well growing up, just in the last couple of years listened to his old stuff. Makes no difference to me, than any other celebrity. If he's guilty, sure, lock him up. __________________ Still Looking

11-25-2003, 04:27 PM	#126 (permalink)
txlovely Insane Location: ...We have a problem.	Now it is being reported the company he and his lawyer chartered the plane from that took them from Las Vegas to L.A. taped their conversations and has been trying to sell those tapes to media outlets. Now I'm no MJ fan, but that's just low. From CNN: "Geragos said he and Jackson were recorded while flying between Las Vegas, Nevada, and Santa Barbara, California, where the singer surrendered to authorities on suspicion of child molestation Thursday. Geragos said his legal team obtained a restraining order from a court in Los Angeles that prohibits XtraJet, the airline that he said placed the cameras aboard the plane, from disseminating tapes of the conversations." Don't suppose that the celebs that can afford to charter those jets will be doing so in the future. __________________ Cruel words erode self-esteem like the ocean eats away the shore.

11-25-2003, 06:16 AM	#124 (permalink)
wannabenakid247 Registered User Location: Wales, UK	I agree with Gak, Numist and Lordjeebus. I feel very sorry for the guy, he is obviously extremely fucked up but that does not make him a child abuser. I am however not 100% sure that he isn't as you can never be sure. If my kid had been abused i wouldn't settle for money I would want justice and i think it is suspicious that they did settle for it. I believe innocent until proven guilty so we will have to wait and see.

11-25-2003, 04:52 PM	#127 (permalink)
YourLocalHNIC Upright	You know, to be honest, I have this strange feeling that this whole thing is bullshit. I'm still stuck on the fact th at R. Kelly got off and no one has heard too much about the outcome of a idiot who actually videotaped himself with minors. Geeezzz, how stupid could you frigg'n be. But, Jackson on the other hand, he may be weird and a "bit" (haha) color tainted still hasn't had sound evidence presented to the public. Hell, I can convince my 13 yr old daughter to admit that Jackson fondled her and make her like it for $20 million. Honestly, think about it. WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOR $20 MILLION DOLLARS USD? Just a lil to the left, no, a lil more Ok, curve it up, higher, higher.... Ahhhhh, that's the spot...... lol __________________ There Are Those Who Do & Say They Do, There Are Those Who Do And Say They Don't, The Question Is, Which Are You? King T Coast 2 Coast, Shore 2 Shore Straight Laced!

11-25-2003, 04:54 PM	#128 (permalink)
YourLocalHNIC Upright	Oh yeah, if you think Jackson is a menace, what do you think about all these dayum priests pocking these young boys all day everyday. That is a mother#@$@#%$ shame, and who's doing something about that? The Pope can't even control his peeps, actually, I wonder how many he's had himself.... Just something to ponder..... __________________ There Are Those Who Do & Say They Do, There Are Those Who Do And Say They Don't, The Question Is, Which Are You? King T Coast 2 Coast, Shore 2 Shore Straight Laced!

11-25-2003, 04:59 PM	#129 (permalink)
txlovely Insane Location: ...We have a problem.	Uh, you're going to hell for that you know... __________________ Cruel words erode self-esteem like the ocean eats away the shore.

12-01-2003, 04:07 PM	#131 (permalink)
space-n-'cord Upright Location: Cali	MJ is innocent on all counts. __________________ P.S. I hate you

12-01-2003, 07:43 PM	#132 (permalink)
Spire Tilted	just cuz hes weird doesnt mean hes crazy so maybe hes gotten addicted to plastic surgery that doesnt make him catholic

12-02-2003, 10:43 AM	#133 (permalink)
Plaid13 I want a Plaid crayon	if they send him to prison hes going to wish he was still a normal black man instead of the little white girl he is now. im pretty sure most prisons keep sex offenders together away from the other prisoners to keep them from getting killed. but that also means he would be grouped with all the rapests. Just a thought in case everyone else didnt think of it.

01-08-2005, 10:00 AM	#134 (permalink)
anleja disconnected Location: ignoreland	Bringing back this old thread... TheSmokingGun.com posted a bunch of stuff a couple days ago... if only 10% of it is true, than he should spend his life in jail, IMO.

01-08-2005, 10:25 AM	#135 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	I would say - first of all - I am suspicious that people making the allegations are going to law firms, and not the police. What is the motive - what is the motive of the first person you dropped their case in 1993 when they were paid off? if I had been abused, I would want justice, and I wouldnt touch the money of the person who did it to me. I am not sure Jackson is morally responsible for his actions - whatever they are, in a very real sense I am not sure that he does understand what is right and wrong in this regard. I think it is impossible for him to have a fair trial - clearly he has done things which are impropper, and I think he will be sent down, in my opinion it would be most appropriate for him to be committed to physciatric care... although I am not sure he will ever get better, People can point at his hard childhood, but as has been pointed out, mant people have lived through worse and broken the cycle... Jackson has had more opportunities than most, but everything he has had has corrupted him. I just think he is not sane. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

01-08-2005, 05:38 PM	#136 (permalink)
Arsenic7 Insane Location: Corvallis, OR.	I don't see how any of you could POSSIBLY have enough information to decide whether or not Jackson is a pedophile/pedarest/whatever. You simply don't have any good evidence...this is something our justice system will have to decide. It seems like whenever these court cases get put on tv, everybody has to act as though they're some sort of expert. It really is disgusting to me. I guess I just don't like to see people judge others unless they know of their actions first hand. __________________ This is no sig.

01-08-2005, 06:11 PM	#138 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	They better lock him up for good..I want to see that scum rot in jail